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Why does this diamond look 'flat'?

The angles on the diamond are not complimentary. It is what we call a steep/deep diamond (high crown angle with high pavilion angle).

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It looks "flat" with little sparkle, because it is.
It is a typical steep and deep stone with alot of light leakage. You can even easily see its yellow tint face up.
 
SimoneDi said:
The angles on the diamond are not complimentary. It is what we call a steep/deep diamond (high crown angle with high pavilion angle).

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mostly looking to see if i can improve my current selection if I upped my budget a couple hundred and saw some new diamonds from blue nile.

Had my eye on this one, but felt it was too dark
https://www.bluenile.com/build-your-own-ring/diamond-details/LD09538877

Asked to get this one which seems great, but since I still have some questions about diamonds wanted to get some advice/more opinons/information about things regarding cut quality, proportions, and light performance etc

https://www.bluenile.com/diamond-de...AMONDS&track=viewDiamondDetails&action=newTab
 
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Niwrad said:
mostly looking to see if i can improve my current selection if I upped my budget a couple hundred and saw some new diamonds from blue nile.

Had my eye on this one, but felt it was too shallow
https://www.bluenile.com/build-your-own-ring/diamond-details/LD09538877

Asked to get this one which seems great, but since I still have some questions about diamonds wanted to get some advice/more opinons/information about things regarding cut quality, proportions, and light performance etc

https://www.bluenile.com/diamond-de...AMONDS&track=viewDiamondDetails&action=newTab
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The last one is the only one worth considering. So you are aiming for about a 1.3ct diamond under 6k? Does it have to be from BN?
 
SimoneDi said:
It says that BN no longer varies the setting, by a skillfull jeweler should be able to replicate it, or we can find something similar. What did it retail for?
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I guess i must have bought the last one! I had ordered it but didn't like the diamond that was set into it so I called in to have it exchanged. Since BN doesn't work on weekends, my package is still with Fedex somewhere in Seattle Sort Facility
 
Niwrad said:
I guess i must have bought the last one! I had ordered it but didn't like the diamond that was set into it so I called in to have it exchanged.
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Ah ok perfect! Ok let me look to see what else is online for sale. What was the size of the diamond that it came with?
 
I like the J/SI2 you posted. Looks great for the price!

Are you OK with a J color though? Have you seen a J color in person?
 
TreeScientist said:
I like the J/SI2 you posted. Looks great for the price!

Are you OK with a J color though? Have you seen a J color in person?
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I saw the previous diamond I mentioned, which was I. I didnt even notice it was yellow until I kept looking back at my pictures, so assuming the J isn't that far off should be ok
 
Niwrad said:
I saw the previous diamond I mentioned, which was I. I didnt even notice it was yellow until I kept looking back at my pictures, so assuming the J isn't that far off should be ok
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In that case, I think you made a great choice! The inclusions don't look too bad for an SI2. The crystals are all white/transparent, so it should be fairly eye clean from normal viewing distances.
 
Niwrad said:
I saw the previous diamond I mentioned, which was I. I didnt even notice it was yellow until I kept looking back at my pictures, so assuming the J isn't that far off should be ok
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I just wanted to chime in to say that the lower you go down the color scale, the wider the range in between colors. So there is a wider range of colors in J's than in I, for example. J is where I personally start to really notice color (mostly from the side view), so I strongly encourage you to compare GIA I and J stones, because there could be a much bigger difference than you may think. Hopefully, yours is a "high J" and will look very similar to a "low I"... :)
 
msop04 said:
I just wanted to chime in to say that the lower you go down the color scale, the wider the range in between colors. So there is a wider range of colors in J's than in I, for example. J is where I personally start to really notice color (mostly from the side view), so I strongly encourage you to compare GIA I and J stones, because there is a much bigger difference than you may think. Hopefully, yours is a "high J" and will look very similar to a "low I"... :)
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I've heard that the color is most noticeable when compared with side stones. I'm not sure why BN removed the details for the side stones, but I remember picking I originally because the 'average' color of the side stones were I with SI2 clarity. I'm figuring that with the sidestones being I I should be able to get away with a J diamond
 
Niwrad said:
I've heard that the color is most noticeable when compared with side stones. I'm not sure why BN removed the details for the side stones, but I remember picking I originally because the 'average' color of the side stones were I with SI2 clarity. I'm figuring that with the sidestones being I I should be able to get away with a J diamond
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I had a 2.43 ct J in a halo of G/H colored melee... it blended in great because the side view was hidden by the make of the setting. You may be able to get away with J in between I sides, but just know that the larger the diamond, the more apparent it's tint will be (as compared with a smaller diamond of the same color). Also, I would really only be concerned with the side view, as this is where any tint will be most obvious.
 
Okay... so I would simply have David Klass "match" the side stones to your center. (the marquise cuts will show more color in the points, so I may be just fine... the rounds aren't touching the center, so I think I will work as well.)
BN_mq_setting.jpg

My only worry would be the profile view where you can see the side of the J center. That said, DK can remedy that by raising the basket to closer to the girdle, or if you love this look, he could raise the "loop" in the basket higher up and add something on either side to disguise the side view of the center. Then you're good! ;))
BN_mq_setting_profile.jpg
 
Niwrad said:
Who is David Klass
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I'm sorry... I should have explained. He is a PS-trusted vendor who does AMAZING work for very reasonable prices. He could very easy duplicate this setting... most likely he'd make it better. Many PS members (myself included) have had multiple pieces mad by him and are super happy. He will be able to match the stones (which may not mean they are all J...) to look right with your J center.
 
msop04 said:
I'm sorry... I should have explained. He is a PS-trusted vendor who does AMAZING work for very reasonable prices. He could very easy duplicate this setting... most likely he'd make it better. Many PS members (myself included) have had multiple pieces mad by him and are super happy. He will be able to match the stones (which may not mean they are all J...) to look right with your J center.
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Oh, that's interesting, I might take a look into that. How much is it for his services typically?
 
Niwrad said:
Oh, that's interesting, I might take a look into that. How much is it for his services typically?
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It totally depends on the piece. I would send him as many photos of that ring as you can find (if that's definitely the design she wants), then share your concerns about the 1) color of the side stones matching the center, 2) his suggestions for hiding the side view of the J stone, and 3) any other design changes you may want to make to the setting.

He can make ANYTHING, but it's super helpful if you can give him as many photos (and angles) as possible before he starts the CAD process. He is extremely patient and will work with you until you are happy.
 
FWIW, I think he can vastly improve on the design of this setting, especially from the profile/gallery view. The BN version is a bit clunky under the side stones.

Should you decide to use DK, please do come back with the CADs so we can tweak them... or not, as they may be spot on in the first set!

ETA: DK will give you a quote based on the photos you show him, and can suggest slight changes if budget becomes an issue. Also, you do not pay until the piece is finished.
 
msop04 said:
FWIW, I think he can vastly improve on the design of this setting, especially from the profile/gallery view. The BN version is a bit clunky under the side stones.

Should you decide to use DK, please do come back with the CADs so we can tweak them... or not, as they may be spot on in the first set!

ETA: DK will give you a quote based on the photos you show him, and can work with you in slight changes if budget becomes an issue. Also, you do not pay until the piece is finished.
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I do see the limitations of the BN design but I don't want to go over my budget for this ring. I know she already likes this design. Looking at in person, I didn't really think too much of the profile view, the 'knife edge' or side on view looks great and face up is also great
 
Niwrad said:
I do see the limitations of the BN design but I don't want to go over my budget for this ring. I know she already likes this design. Looking at in person, I didn't really think too much of the profile view, the 'knife edge' or side on view looks great and face up is also great
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The profile view is important because it's what the wearer will see every time she looks at her ring... I'm not saying it's bad, it's just not as refined as it could be -- and that shouldn't add extra $$... it would just be an aesthetic change.

What was the price of the BN setting before they discontinued it?
What is your budget for the setting?
 
msop04 said:
The profile view is important because it's what the wearer will see every time she looks at her ring... I'm not saying it's bad, it's just not as refined as it could be -- and that shouldn't add extra $$... it would just be an aesthetic change.

What was the price of the BN setting before they discontinued it?
What is your budget for the setting?
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the BN setting was 740
 
Niwrad said:
the BN setting was 740
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Okay... nope, you will not get a setting like that for $740. I'm assuming the side stones in the BN ring were of poor quality. However, it may be worthwhile to simply inquire to DK with your budget. Ask him if there is anything he could do that would be a similar aesthetic, but more budget-friendly. You'll have to stick with 14K white gold though.
 
msop04 said:
Okay... nope, you will not get a setting like that for $740. I'm assuming the side stones in the BN ring were of poor quality. However, it may be worthwhile to simply inquire to DK with your budget. Ask him if there is anything he could do that would be a similar aesthetic, but more budget-friendly. You'll have to stick with 14K white gold though.
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I guess this is why BN sold out of this particular setting so quickly. I lucked out here. I dunno about the quality as the diamonds were so small that I couldn't see any imperfections in them plus I just got my loupe the day after i put it in the Fedex box
 
Niwrad said:
I guess this is why BN sold out of this particular setting so quickly. I lucked out here. I dunno about the quality as the diamonds were so small that I couldn't see any imperfections in them plus I just got my loupe the day after i put it in the Fedex box
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Hopefully, the stones were small enough that they were at least sparkly. :)
Can you call BN and ask if the setting is still with them? ...since they don't carry that style anymore.

ETA: Will the J stone you like fit into that setting? If so, I would be calling BN ASAP to ensure they haven't sold that setting.
 
msop04 said:
Hopefully, the stones were small enough that they were at least sparkly. :)
Can you call BN and ask if the setting is still with them? ...since they don't carry that style anymore.

ETA: Will the J stone you like fit into that setting? If so, I would be calling BN ASAP to ensure they haven't sold that setting.
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I have an order number already so I should be ok. I just wanted to learn more about diamonds and further refine my understanding of the diamond I chose and maybe change it if a superior one shows up before Monday

indeed the small stones were sparkly, more so than the main stone. This prompted me to look at other diamonds, including J color to see if I could keep the Ct up but tighten up the angles on the diamond
 
Niwrad said:
I have an order number already so I should be ok. I just wanted to learn more about diamonds and further refine my understanding of the diamond I chose and maybe change it if a superior one shows up before Monday

indeed the small stones were sparkly, more so than the main stone. This prompted me to look at other diamonds, including J color to see if I could keep the Ct up but tighten up the angles on the diamond
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OH GOOD!!! ...well, the J you chose will certainly be super sparkly, so I wouldn't worry about that at all! I'm sure it will look fantastic! Honestly, you really can't go up much in spread or the stone wouldn't fit into the setting... so I think you've done well. Cut is the most important.
 
msop04 said:
OH GOOD!!! ...well, the J you chose will certainly be super sparkly, so I wouldn't worry about that at all! I'm sure it will look fantastic! Honestly, you really can't go up much in spread or the stone wouldn't fit into the setting... so I think you've done well. Cut is the most important.
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According to BN, the minimum ct size was 1.36, with a max around 1.8? (didn't remember cause 1.8 was really far out of my budget). I was told I didn't need to exactly match 1.36 but I had to be above the typical 1.00.

Also thank you for your advice! I had no idea about this kind of stuff about a month ago and I learned a lot since then.
 
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