Will McCain be a good President?

[luckystar112]

I was responding to your post, Deary.

Not that I feel conversations shouldn't be allowed to evolve normally.


ETA: It's called a disclaimer, "All prices except Laura’s shoes and Cindy’s watch are estimates, and the jewelry prices are based on the assumption that the pieces are real."

ETA2: Actually, I wasn't calling anyone greedy, but Republicans do give more of their money to charity. Here is one link that sort of explains it...but I know I have a better one out there. I'll have to get it once I get back from school.

 

[decodelighted]

Is Obama''s camp GREEDY or NERVOUS? What''s your point again? I''m sure you had one that wasn''t disguised as commentary.

I''ll ask one of my own ... Is McCain''s camp HATE-FILLED or DESPERATE? Discuss ...

 

[luckystar112]

I added some ETA in my last post.

I love it when I get you on a roll. So entertaining.

I wasn't expecting for there to be bunnies and butterflies after my comment.

The best part is how predictable you are.

 

[goobear78]

Date: 10/21/2008 11:31:16 AM
Author: luckystar112

Date: 10/21/2008 11:06:19 AM

Author: goobear78



Actually, that is incorrect, Biden released 49 pages of health documents and Obama released a one page document that is in in excellent health along the results lab tests and electrocardiograms from 2001, 2004 & 2007. Obama and Biden with have released more documents than McCain. You are correct that Palin refused to release hers. I wonder why?


This is taken from the NYT in depth article about MCain's health, his records and the health records of the other nominees:


'Senator Joseph R. Biden Jr. of Delaware, 65, the Democratic vice-presidential nominee, had emergency surgery in 1988 for an aneurysm in an artery in his brain and elective surgery for a second one. His campaign released 49 pages of medical records to The New York Times late last week showing that he was healthy, but the documents did not indicate whether he had had a test in recent years to detect any new aneurysm.


The two other nominees are younger and apparently in good health, but less is known about their medical history. Senator Barack Obama of Illinois, 47, the Democratic presidential nominee, released a one-page, undated letter from his personal physician in May stating that he was in “excellent” health. Late last week, his campaign released the results of standard laboratory tests and electrocardiograms from his checkups in June 2001, November 2004 and January 2007. The findings were normal.


Gov. Sarah Palin of Alaska, 44, Mr. McCain’s running mate, has released no medical information.'


*The full article can be read on the NYT website at:


http://www.nytimes.com/2008/10/20/us/politics/20health.html?_r=1&bl&ex=1224734400&en=fea66d67165b8c74&ei=5087%0A&oref=slogin

My source was CNN, which states:


Parker spoke to reporters because Biden's physician, Dr. John Eisold, the official attending physician for Congress, does not discuss his patients publicly. Federal Election Commission records show Parker contributed $2,300 to Sen. Barack Obama's presidential campaign in the spring of 2008.


Biden's Republican counterpart, Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin, 44, has not released any medical information. Biden's running mate, Obama, 47, has not released records either; his campaign did release a one-page summary of those records, which concluded that he is in excellent health.


The campaign of Sen. John McCain has derided Obama for running 'on a doctor's note.' McCain, 72, this spring offered reporters a glimpse of more than 1,100 pages of medical records, many dealing with the removal of four melanomas, or skin cancers. Like Biden, McCain did not release those records and did not allow reporters to take pictures or make photocopies.


(So it appears that McCain did 'not' release more records than Obama and Biden did 'not' release.)

But the very first line of the CNN report that I linked, says 'Democratic vice presidential candidate Joe Biden, 65, released his medical records Monday...' So are they talking about to the press, or to the public? If it is to reporters, they all have except Palin, and if it is to the public, no one has.

Interestingly enough....while searching for that article I found this one from the AP, which states:


On Monday, the Democratic ticket released 49 pages of Biden's medical records — although crucial information was missing, including what if any recent exams Biden has undergone to ensure no further brain aneurysms. Also missing were the results of a 2001 colonoscopy, and a test of Biden's lung function earlier this year was illegible.

Well, the article you link to on CNN is entitled "Democratic VP nominee Biden releases medical records" so as I stated, he did release his medical records. Where's Palin's?

So yes, Obama and Biden HAVE released more documents than McCain.

 

[luckystar112]

Date: 10/21/2008 11:54:09 AM
Author: goobear78


Well, the article link to CNN is entitled ''Democratic VP nominee Biden releases medical records'' so as I stated, he did release his medical records. Where''s Palin''s?

He "released" more than Obama. And McCain "released" more than both of them. And I don''t know where Palin''s are, but I hope she releases them so you can squash any scenario that I''m sure you''re not hinting at.

 

[goobear78]

Date: 10/21/2008 11:56:43 AM
Author: luckystar112

Date: 10/21/2008 11:54:09 AM

Author: goobear78



Well, the article link to CNN is entitled ''Democratic VP nominee Biden releases medical records'' so as I stated, he did release his medical records. Where''s Palin''s?

He ''released'' more than Obama. And McCain ''released'' more than both of them. And I don''t know where Palin''s are, but I hope she releases them so you can squash any scenario that I''m sure you''re not hinting at.

Umm...I didn''t hint at anything with Palin. I just wonder where they are, that''s all. What are you hinting at because I haven''t a clue as to what you think I think Palin could be hiding. LOL.

And how are you getting that McCain "released" more than both Obama and Biden. McCain hasn''t "released" any documents for the press. He let 20 reporters review over 3,000 pages of health records for three hours and no copies were allowed, but they could take notes. No one could review all those documents in three hours and he didn''t release them. So that''s not releasing documents like Biden and Obama. And Obama did release his test results for 2001, 2004 and 2007 as noted in the NYT article.

 

[decodelighted]

Date: 10/21/2008 11:53:12 AM
Author: luckystar112
I love it when I get you on a roll. So entertaining. The best part is how predictable you are.

Careful, Luckystar ... this is verging on a *personal* attack. I''ll review... words like "you" are, um, "personal".

 

[iheartscience]

Date: 10/21/2008 11:48:09 AM
Author: decodelighted
I''ll ask one of my own ... Is McCain''s camp HATE-FILLED or DESPERATE? Discuss ...

Um...both? DING DING DING! Do I win a prize?

 

[decodelighted]

Date: 10/21/2008 12:12:58 PM
Author: thing2of2

Date: 10/21/2008 11:48:09 AM
Author: decodelighted
I''ll ask one of my own ... Is McCain''s camp HATE-FILLED or DESPERATE? Discuss ...

Um...both? DING DING DING! Do I win a prize?

CORRECT!!! What do we have for her, Bob?

**taxes not included, void where prohibited

 

[luckystar112]

Date: 10/21/2008 12:08:04 PM
Author: decodelighted

Date: 10/21/2008 11:53:12 AM
Author: luckystar112
I love it when I get you on a roll. So entertaining. The best part is how predictable you are.

Careful, Luckystar ... this is verging on a *personal* attack. I'll review... words like 'you' are, um, 'personal'.

I'm not attacking you for being predictable. If you took it that way, I apologize.

 

[luckystar112]

Date: 10/21/2008 12:03:08 PM
Author: goobear78

Date: 10/21/2008 11:56:43 AM
Author: luckystar112

Date: 10/21/2008 11:54:09 AM

Author: goobear78



Well, the article link to CNN is entitled 'Democratic VP nominee Biden releases medical records' so as I stated, he did release his medical records. Where's Palin's?

He 'released' more than Obama. And McCain 'released' more than both of them. And I don't know where Palin's are, but I hope she releases them so you can squash any scenario that I'm sure you're not hinting at.

Umm...I didn't hint at anything with Palin. I just wonder where they are, that's all. What are you hinting at because I haven't a clue as to what you think I think Palin could be hiding. LOL.

And how are you getting that McCain 'released' more than both Obama and Biden. McCain hasn't 'released' any documents for the press. He let 20 reporters review over 3,000 pages of health records for three hours and no copies were allowed, but they could take notes. No one could review all those documents in three hours and he didn't release them. So that's not releasing documents like Biden and Obama. And Obama did release his test results for 2001, 2004 and 2007 as noted in the NYT article.

Are reporters not the press? I guess you mean that McCain is the only one who gave a time limit, which I understand. But I don't consider that any worse than releasing a one-page document, or what was not released about Biden's record JMO, though! Biden didn't allows copies either.

I thought you were alluding to there being a motive for Palin not releasing her records yet. Specifically the popular one circulating the net about Trig not being hers. Sorry for assuming...it's just a lot of people seem to believe that!

 

[goobear78]

Date: 10/21/2008 12:27:26 PM
Author: luckystar112

Are reporters not the press? I guess you mean that McCain is the only one who gave a time limit, which I understand. But I don't consider that any worse than releasing a one-page document, or what was not released about Biden's record JMO, though! Biden didn't allows copies either.


I thought you were alluding to there being a motive for Palin not releasing her records yet. Specifically the popular one circulating the net about Trig not being hers. Sorry for assuming...it's just a lot of people seem to believe that!

Of course reporters are the press. DUH.

LOL. I meant McCain didn't allow any copies and imposed a time limit for 3,000 pages of documents. Obama has released more than one page, as stated, he released copies of all this lab tests and EKG for 2001, 2004, and 2007. I think all the members running for high office (P, VP) should release copies of their records to the press.

You know that old adage about assuming stuff. LOL. No, as I said before, I wasn't alluding to anything with Palin. I've heard that rumor about Trig and I give it as much credence as the rumor about Obama not being a valid US citizen which is to say they are both bunk in my book. That said, she should release her records, and maybe that rumor can forever be put to rest for poor Trig's sake.

 

[zhuzhu]

Date: 10/21/2008 11:19:57 AM
Author: luckystar112

Date: 10/21/2008 9:04:17 AM

Author: ksinger

Date: 10/21/2008 8:49:52 AM

Author: MoonWater

Date: 10/20/2008 9:54:51 PM

Author: luckystar112


Not to make this about Obama, but I heard on the news today that Obama is receiving $200,000 an hour in campaign contributions. He now has raised over 600 million dollars, and I believe he doesn''t need it (McCain has just 37 million left to spend by Nov 4). I don''t understand why his campaign is continuing to ask for contributions, and why Obama is accepting them. I can''t help but wonder if that money would be of better use in other areas...such as charity, and helping the people he claims to represent instead of using it to get elected and using tax money for those causes.

You make the assumption that people would be willing to donate the same amount of money for any other cause than to get Obama elected. Or perhaps you think he can stop spending that money to get elected and should now use it anyway he chooses and thus he should donate it to charity or use it to fund government programs? How would you feel if you donated money for a specific purpose and that person took your money and spent it elsewhere, especially if they did it before completing the task for which you donated?

** sniff sniff ** Hmmm....I seem to smell sour grapes around here somewhere...


Just because you don''t believe he needs it and don''t understand, doesn''t make his asking for it wrong, or even suspect. Neither you nor I see the bills for what Obama''s campaign is attempting. One thing I do know, they are NOT taking anything for granted.

Haha..no sour grapes here. I''d think it was ridiculous if it was the other way around, too. Put I anticipated that response from you. I''ll address you both as to not make this thread all about Obama.

I got the idea when I first heard that Obama was making $200,000 an hour. I thought, ''Wow''. The next commercial was for breast cancer research, and I thought ''Man....if only people were as willing to donate to breast cancer and other causes the way they donate to Obama''. And then I thought about how McCain only has $37 million left to spend, and how Obama went against his word about public financing and raised $150 million alone in September. Then an Obama commercial flashes on my screen....one of about a hundred a day, and I think ''Yeah, good luck getting Texas, buddy!''.

It did lead me to speculate as to why he was spending money in states that he has no chance of winning, especially with all of the private organizations that are fighting for his cause anyway. While I think it is very smart that his campaign isn''t taking anything for granted, it also says quite a bit when he has to spend so much on advertising to sway votes. To me, that says that Obama is missing something in his message.

But to answer your question Moon, no, I wouldn''t think it was right of Obama to spend people''s money on other causes, especially not before he was elected. And as Ksinger said, I haven''t seen the bill. In summary, my point was that it is interesting how even with that huge monetary advantage, people are more willing to donate to his campaign than to charity. And so, either the Obama campaign is being a little greedy in accepting that money, or they''re nervous.

I wonder how some people''s analytical skill is learned and logical thoughts came about...

But of course this is a thread about McCain and no personal attack is allowed, so I am not even going to go there....

 

[luckystar112]

Oh, but you were having so much fun psychoanalyzing me!

Bummer.

ETA: I could say the same about that lovely link you posted earlier in the thread.

 

[Rank Amateur]

I get the impression from McCain that he will do what he believes is right, not necessarily popular.

Obama will be hoping to appease all sides (he can''t even muster up a position on the World Series).

 

[MoonWater]

If McCain is more interested in doing what is right rather than what's popular he should let this guy speak to CNN:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/10/20/muslim-for-mccain-not-all_n_136324.html

 

[Rank Amateur]

I refuse to click on a huffingtonpost link!

I''d sooner read the blather Deb posts from the NYT!

 

[hibiscus]

Date: 10/20/2008 10:00:39 AM
Author:goobear78
In the honor of fairness, since we already have a much discussed topic on if Obama would be a good president, I thought we should start one about McCain.

So do you think McCain will be a good president? Why or why not?

I will post my opinion as well, but to get it started, I thought it best to leave it open first without me injecting right away.

And let''s remember to try and keep it friendly and not digress into name calling and the like. Unless it''s name calling McCain. Hee hee.

In another era, another world, perhaps another civilization, McCain might be a good president.

 

[MoonWater]

Date: 10/21/2008 6:09:25 PM
Author: Rank Amateur
I refuse to click on a huffingtonpost link!

I''d sooner read the blather Deb posts from the NYT!

Well, I wasn''t posting it for your benefit. But if you do care, you can do a google search on Muslims for McCain and how they tried to tell some of McCain''s crazy supporters that he does not support the hatred they have be spewing. Apparently tho, the McCain camp doesn''t want these supporters talking to CNN.

 

[iheartscience]

Goodness! I just saw a McCain ad that wasn''t negative! He was trying to be all nice and normal and stuff! Hahaha-he seemed so...unnatural!

 

[Kaleigh]

Date: 10/21/2008 9:53:49 PM
Author: thing2of2
Goodness! I just saw a McCain ad that wasn''t negative! He was trying to be all nice and normal and stuff! Hahaha-he seemed so...unnatural!

Funny, as I haven''t seen many McCain ads here. It''s all Obama. PA is going to be a key state... It''s neck and neck right now. I would have thought Obama would have had the clear lead here....

 

[Ellen]

I have a question. McCain (and Palin) have said publicy, specifically, that he/they will balance the budget in the first term. That''s not even humanly possible, is it? Without raising taxes? And even then, I cannot fathom that happening....

 

[Irishgrrrl]

Date: 10/22/2008 10:25:24 AM
Author: Ellen
I have a question. McCain (and Palin) have said publicy, specifically, that he/they will balance the budget in the first term. That''s not even humanly possible, is it? Without raising taxes? And even then, I cannot fathom that happening....

Ellen, that''s an excellent question. I would also be very interested in hearing the answer to this.

 

[PaulaW]

maybe they''ll sell Alaska to the neighbors?!
I kid... I kid...

I''ll re-lurk now.

 

[Ellen]

 

[E B]

Date: 10/21/2008 9:53:49 PM
Author: thing2of2
Goodness! I just saw a McCain ad that wasn''t negative! He was trying to be all nice and normal and stuff! Hahaha-he seemed so...unnatural!

You did? What was it like?

I''ve seen a handful of McCain ads, but they''ve all been negative.

 

[swimmer]

Date: 10/21/2008 10:17:12 PM
Author: Kaleigh

Date: 10/21/2008 9:53:49 PM

Author: thing2of2

Goodness! I just saw a McCain ad that wasn''t negative! He was trying to be all nice and normal and stuff! Hahaha-he seemed so...unnatural!

Funny, as I haven''t seen many McCain ads here. It''s all Obama. PA is going to be a key state... It''s neck and neck right now. I would have thought Obama would have had the clear lead here....

PA will be interesting, yesterday''s polling for the state had:
Susquehanna has Obama up 8
and Morning call has him up 12
Check out 538''s analysis of PA here

 

[iheartscience]

Date: 10/22/2008 12:06:22 PM
Author: EBree

Date: 10/21/2008 9:53:49 PM

Author: thing2of2
Goodness! I just saw a McCain ad that wasn''t negative! He was trying to be all nice and normal and stuff! Hahaha-he seemed so...unnatural!

You did? What was it like?

I''ve seen a handful of McCain ads, but they''ve all been negative.

It was just him in front of a blank white background talking about how he''s going to fix the economy so your stocks will go back up, etc. There were some bullet points of what he would do, including (I think) "-Fixing The Economy" as one.

It was mostly about him fixing the economy, but it didn''t state any of the actual ways he planned to fix it. He was totally calm and trying to seem natural and kindly, and it was so funny! He''s not too hot of an actor, sadly...

I had only seen negative ads, too, so it was shocking to see a positive one!

 

[strmrdr]

To answer the original topic I don't think either Obama or McCain would make a good president.
The question is who would make a worse one.. in some areas Obama and in some areas McCain.
Neither one would be my choice.
I would much rather have Palin or Rice as president if I cant have Ron Paul.

To answer the subtopic health records are none of the press's business.
How would you like to release all your medical history for the world to see?

A doctors note saying:
X is healthy enough to perform the duties of president/VP for 4 years.
Signed
Dr Y.

Is plenty.

 

[decodelighted]

Thought this was kinda comical ... McCain using American Idol''s Makeup artist on the campaign trail ... to the tune of 5K to 8K per month (at least in August & September).

The Washington Post says of before/after photos: it''s worth it!