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lisabel

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Would you please help me evaluate this oval?

I am told:

"This diamond faces fantastically white, completely eye clean, and absolutely stunning.

The diamond does contain a medium sized bowtie that is spready but not dark or offensive.

The diamond has a nice make and beautiful outline."

Certificate: GIA
Shape: Oval
Carat weight: 1.54
Cut: Ideal
Color: F
Clarity: VS1
Depth: 64.7%
Table: 59.0%
Polish: Very Good
Symmetry: Excellent
Girdle:
Culet: None
Fluorescence: Medium blue
Measurements: 9.11*6.19*4.01
Ratio: 1.47

What do you think? Is this a taker, or should I keep looking?

Thank You!

Lisa

I am not a trade person - I have no idea how to not get that

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Can you ask for more pics?? Hard to tell from that pic. I don't want to throw it aside, because IRL it could be very nice. But that pic does show a big bowtie.. ;))


I searched a long time for an oval, for a RHR... I didn't want any glimmer of a bow tie but that's almost impossible..
 
more data ....Can you tell by my join date that it took me a while to step up and ask HELP!!! :confused:

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looks pretty.
if you ask them for a video,
here is a link to a video shows the bow tie when in east west , compare it to north south.

http://www.vimeo.com/14221695
 
Thank you Kaleigh for your reply. I have admired your ring for a good while now =) . It is very hard to find one without a bowtie. I did request more pics...I have my fingers crossed on that one.

Very informative links - Thanks Doc There are bowties in the videos too. I thought this one looked pretty good. It's so hard to know what is considered "too much" bow tie

Lisa
 
lisabel said:
... It's so hard to know what is considered "too much" bow tie

Lisa
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I think it is personal taste to a degree! How much is too much for *you*?

I think the stone you are considering has promise, to me though with an oval I would want to see a video or see it in person. Static images can't really help you to know how the bowtie will look in daily life when the facets are twinkling.
 
lisabel said:
Thank you Kaleigh for your reply. I have admired your ring for a good while now =) . It is very hard to find one without a bowtie. I did request more pics...I have my fingers crossed on that one.

Very informative links - Thanks Doc There are bowties in the videos too. I thought this one looked pretty good. It's so hard to know what is considered "too much" bow tie

Lisa
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Oh thanks!!! I think you will know it when you see, it, thats what happened to me.. But it was by video.. I could have returned it if I didn't love it. But opened the box, and was like, here you are....

Good luck in your search, please post any other pics you get. :))
 
Thank You for responding Dreamer - You have some beautiful rings yourself!

I figured while I wait for some real life photos and possibly a video, I could at least rotate the picture I do have. Boy, it sure does look different...

I think.?.

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I love everything about it but the bowtie.

It's got a decent amount of depth to it so the bowtie MIGHT indeed be okay. But short of seeing how it performs with your eyes (in real life or in a video) and seeing what you think about it yourself, I don't think it's possible to advise you.

If it were me... I'd do one of three things: buy it and see it myself (then return if I'm not happy), ask for a video, or pass.

If you can't get a video... get it in real life or pass.
 
Gypsy said:
I love everything about it but the bowtie.

It's got a decent amount of depth to it so the bowtie MIGHT indeed be okay. But short of seeing how it performs with your eyes (in real life or in a video) and seeing what you think about it yourself, I don't think it's possible to advise you.

If it were me... I'd do one of three things: buy it and see it myself (then return if I'm not happy), ask for a video, or pass.

If you can't get a video... get it in real life or pass.
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I agree with this.

And thanks for the compliment on my rings 8)
 
Thanks for your recommendation Gypsy. I haven't seen this pricescope vendor provide any videos except GOG. So I may be out of luck there, but I did send an email of inquiry. If nothing else, I may be able to get some or one real life photo. Else like you said go ahead and purchase for review. My dilema is trying to find (fgh) ratio 1.40 or greater. Trying to get as close to 1.50 as possible. Although I do like and have considered ratios down to 1.35 or better. I am able to find some I's but I do see color.... Ironically I like opq....go figure.

Thanks Again, Lisa
 
Oh and Gypsy, You have some gorgeous pieces too =) !

You are very welcome Dreamer and Kaleigh!

All, I feel very special receiving your guidance. Makes me feel better after all I have learned here that it is down to the visual and not a complete dud out the gate :twirl:

ThankU!!
 
Thank you very much lisabel :bigsmile:

Wink (High Performance Diamonds) also does videos at times (not sure what the criteria is).


Just as an FYI, the general rule is that the higher the L/W ratio, the larger the bowtie (or the possibility of bowtie, to be more precise). It's actually (if you take it to an extremely simplified level) what 'causes' the bowtie. The closer you are to round, the better your chances for avoiding a bowtie.

So, I guess the point is... if you are looking for a high L/W ratio and no bowtie it just might take a lot of time and a vendor that has a business model that allows them to hunt out and source a very specific set of parameters in fancy shaped diamonds. GOG and ERD generally the vendors that people work with when they want something that is more of a 'needle in a haystack' than the average diamond request.
 
Call Jonathon at GOG, and tell him you want an oval like Kaleighs.. I am a Lisa too, I think calling Jonathon is a wise move... He sure did a great job for me. AND he had to call in 4...I am a picky gal.. I was like if it has a bowtie don't show it to me..
 
in a conventional facet structure (non crushed ice) oval it is possible that stones without bowties will suffer other negative features.
From the ASET is appears this stone will not be too bad - unless you have a very large dark coffuire.

Video's are not useful unless you know the entire amera set up. There is more variability in videos than in diamonds
 
lisabel said:
Thank You for responding Dreamer - You have some beautiful rings yourself!

I figured while I wait for some real life photos and possibly a video, I could at least rotate the picture I do have. Boy, it sure does look different...

I think.?.
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please post them when you get them , i like that one and we see how it looks with more pics, video!
 
Good afternoon! Back from fun filled morning of soccer and band competition. Whose idea was it to sign up their kids for these wonderful activities :wink2:

Thank you for the link JulieN (Dreamer, Stone)- I have that one in my wishlist too - just couldn't figure out how it would look. Weird, I know. I haven't seen an oval in the flesh w/o some sort of bow tie, so I kept debating it. I was thinking it may have that crushed look like the cushions that are cut similar to that according to the GIA reprt (4 main) but I will inquiry on that one too. Maybe it will look different on an oval because it is an oval if that makes any since.?. I think I get what you mean on this Stone-Cold11.

Ha GarryH(CutNut) - You are one of the primary reasons I asked for that report. Can't say I fully get all of it. Does the white in the aset show leakage? Is what is shown considered a lot? Red is good and green is good on fancies...is that right? That report and it's colors looks ssssoooo much different on rounds. Also, you got me on this one...what do you mean by "large dark coffuire"? Is that the darkest part in the middle of the bow tie?

Thank You Doc - I will be sure to post when I get them.

Kaleigh - Lisa is such a wonderful name :appl: I met a lady in the grocery store and her 5 month old daughter is named Lisa. I think our name may make a comeback. :twirl:
 
lisabel said:
Also, you got me on this one...what do you mean by "large dark coffuire"? Is that the darkest part in the middle of the bow tie?
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It means that the diamond should be fine unless you have a very large dark colored hairdo ;))
 
Dreamer_D said:
lisabel said:
Also, you got me on this one...what do you mean by "large dark coffuire"? Is that the darkest part in the middle of the bow tie?
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It means that the diamond should be fine unless you have a very large dark colored hairdo ;))
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Correct - the bowtie is caused by your head - the bigger and darker the bigger and darker the bowtie.
e.g. if you have fab eyesight and can focus from 6 inches 15cm then the bow tie will be huge and nasty.

The leakage is not an issue on the first stone.
If you do not like crushed ice then the 4 mains stone may not be for you either as it has some inside the table area.
 
OK Cool no big hair and no hawk eyes. :bigsmile:

I will see what happens on Monday as far as the wish of additional photos and video and keep you posted. I will also check with GOG and ERD.

Thanks to you all,

Lisa
 
Lisa it sounds like it may be worth seeing the first one in person.
 
Hello PS. I have an Update –

So we decided not to order on-line. My husband turned his head sideways when I asked to order it so I could look at it in person, and the vendor didn’t/wasn’t able to send me live photos.

So to the stores we went (4 different states cause of business travel). Definitely not a lot to look at in the way of ovals – get to the two carat range and you can forget it. We did see (2) 5+ctwl 3-stone rings. Both had centers over 3 ct and both had Huge bow-ties. Wow, I had never seen an $87K nor a $98K bow-tie. Beautiful to someone, but they were just OK to me. I felt like I was supposed to love them, but I didn’t. Both had what I would call the GIA 6 main pavilion faceting.

Size note: I wish PS had a “how-to” for ovals like the one for cushion cuts…particularly on faceting. But my guess is that cushions are similar to ovals in the way they look vs what you see on the GIA report.?.

Anyway, we did see two stones in the 2CT range, at two different shops (one of which some PSers have used) that caught our eye. The first one was a lovely 2CT, at least to us. It was an F/SI1. Supposedly. I say that because the certification wasn’t GIA. It was very nice though and had no bowtie, but I just couldn’t get past that fact of certification. This shop I haven’t seen on this board.

Which brings me to the second stone. I don’t have a scanned copy but here are the stats:
GIA 2.04 Oval Brilliant
9.99 x 7.03 x 4.09
G/SI1
Table – 55
Depth – 58.2
Girdle – thin/extremely thick
Cutlet - none
Polish VG
Symmetry Good
Fluorescence – Med Blue
4 main
I don’t have all those other “stats” you all like to see, only those from the GIA report.

What do your eyes tell you about this stone? Did we jump to fast? We only really saw two stones that fit our criteria, but so many that didn’t. So now I am second guessing. I didn’t want a bow tie so badly, but did we error in other areas because of this? The stone is beautiful to me in person. I was able to take it outside and it was wonderful. I really loved it….but I just hope that it wasn’t only because of the lack of a bowtie. I do fully understand that it is not a perfect stone, but is it a good one?

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