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A federal judge said he will suspend the FDA’s two-decade-old approval of a medication abortion pill, but he is pausing his ruling for seven days so the federal government can appeal.

My goodness, what can possibly come next?

Normally, I'd say an appeal to SCOTUS which should take care of it. But these are not normal times. I think we know what SCOTUS will do - either uphold this judges ruling or refuse to hear the appeal.
 

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@Lookinagain Are we in the Twilight Zone????
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Federal Judge Halts FDA's Abortion Pill Approval​

— But competing ruling orders agency not to alter status quo​

by Shannon Firth, Washington Correspondent, MedPage Today April 7, 2023


A photo of the packaging and blisterpack of a Mifeprex pill

A federal judge in Texas on Friday suspended the FDA's 2000 approval of mifepristone (Mifeprex) -- the most commonly used drug for medication abortion nationwide.
Importantly, Judge Matthew Kacsmaryk, of the U.S. District Court for the Northern District of Texas, also stayed the effective date of his order for 7 days to allow the federal government time to appeal the ruling.
Meanwhile, in the Pacific Northwest, Judge Thomas Rice of the U.S. District Court for the Eastern District of Washington, who was nominated by President Obama, issued a competing decision nearly at the same time granting -- in part -- a preliminary injunction in another case that would prevent the FDA from "altering the status quo and rights as it relates to the availability of mifepristone."

Conflicting decisions on such issues often end up at the Supreme Court.
In Kacsmaryk's decision, he also stayed "all subsequent challenged actions" by the FDA, including the agency's April 2019 approval of a generic version of mifepristone; the March 2016 removal of certain post-approval safety restrictions; and the April 2021 decision to "exercise enforcement discretion" and allow mifepristone to be dispensed by mail.
The decision, if enacted, amounts to a nationwide ban that would block access to those seeking medication abortion even in Democratic-led states, where abortion is still broadly legal.
Mifepristone, used in more than half of all abortions nationally, is one half of a two-drug regimen approved by the FDA to end a pregnancy without surgery. Misoprostol, the other drug in the regimen, carries other indications and was not targeted in the Texas lawsuit. Mifepristone first received FDA approval in September 2000 for terminating a pregnancy through 7 weeks' gestation, which was later expanded to 10 weeks' gestation in 2016, according to the agency's website.

Physician Groups Weigh In
Iffath Abbasi Hoskins, MD, president of the American College of Obstetricians and Gynecologists (ACOG), and Maureen Phipps, MD, MPH, chief executive officer of ACOG, condemned the Texas judge's actions as "decidedly misrepresent[ing] medication abortion care."
"Mifepristone has been used safely and effectively for medication abortion for more than two decades. That safety and efficacy is backed up by robust, evidence-based, clinical data and its observed use by millions of people with support from clinicians, including obstetrician–gynecologists. Regardless of the opinion of one judge on this matter, mifepristone is a safe, effective part of comprehensive health care," Hoskins and Phipps said in a press release.
"Today's decision is clearly a transparent effort to make it harder for people to access medication abortion. It will force people to turn to other means of accessing abortion care; it will force clinicians to prescribe less safe, less effective regimens for medication abortion; and it will impose greater harm on those who already struggle to access needed reproductive health care, thus increasing health inequities," they added.

Jamila Perritt, MD, MPH, president and CEO of Physicians for Reproductive Health, also expressed her concern. "The decision attempting to stay the approval of an FDA-approved medication that is safe and effective from the market two decades after its approval is politically based, not grounded in medicine or science," she said in a statement. "This would have far-reaching implications for access to other medications people rely on. We should all be alarmed."
"Should Judge Kacsmaryk have his way and mifepristone is removed from the market entirely, it will have many consequences for the provision of abortion care and for the lives of those that need it. Many people will be forced to carry pregnancies to term -- whether they want to or not. This is particularly harmful given the clear evidence showing that when an individual is denied an abortion that they seek, their mental health, emotional health and financial health all suffer. Moreover, the health and wellbeing of the children that individuals already have is negatively impacted. These consequences will impact generations to come."

The American Association of Pro-Life Obstetricians and Gynecologists (AAPLOG), an anti-abortion group, praised the decision, calling it "a victory for all our patients."
"The FDA began a pattern of prioritizing the interests of the abortion industry over the health and safety of our nation's women and girls 23 years ago by illegally and recklessly approving dangerous drugs for use in chemical abortions, and then continuing to remove safeguards for women," the group said in a statement. "Today's ruling places women's welfare back at the forefront of the conversation on this issue. Our patients deserve excellent healthcare and fully informed consent; this decision helps ensure they receive that."
Background on the Texas Case
In the Texas case, Alliance for Hippocratic Medicine et al v. U.S. Food and Drug Administration et alopens in a new tab or window, the plaintiffs requested a preliminary injunction of the FDA's approval of mifepristone, arguing that the drug's safety had never been appropriately vetted and that the medication should not have been made available via telehealth during the pandemic.

The Alliance for Hippocratic Medicine, a newly formed anti-abortion advocacy group, argued that the FDA approved the drug "illegally."
"The FDA never studied the safety of the drugs under the labeled conditions of use, ignored the potential impacts of the hormone-blocking regimen on the developing bodies of adolescent girls, disregarded the substantial evidence that chemical abortion drugs cause more complications than surgical abortions, and eliminated necessary safeguards for pregnant girls and women who undergo this dangerous drug regimen," the group noted on the Alliance Defending Freedom websiteopens in a new tab or window. (The Alliance Defending Freedom represents the Alliance for Hippocratic Medicine.)
During a 4-hour hearing in March, Justice Department attorney Julie Straus Harris argued that "[a]n injunction would cause significant public harm." She stressed that a ruling in support of the Alliance for Hippocratic Medicine would undermine the public's trust in the FDA and worsen the pressures on surgical abortion clinics,which are already over-burdened due to an influx of patients from states that have closed their clinics following Roe v. Wade's reversal last year by the Supreme Court, noted opens in a new tab or windowReutersopens in a new tab or window.

Kacsmaryk, a conservative federal judge, was nominated by President Trump and has ties to the religious right. Prior to his role on the federal bench, he worked for First Liberty Institute, a conservative legal group.
On June 24, 2022, the U.S. Supreme Court's decision in Dobbs v. Jackson Women's Health Organizationopens in a new tab or window overturned Roe v. Wade, returning the decision over abortion access to the states and thrusting the issue of access to medication abortion further into the spotlight.
As a direct result of the Dobbs decision, 12 states now have a "near-total" ban abortion, according to the Guttmacher Instituteopens in a new tab or window, while clinicians in Wisconsin are unable to provide abortion due to legal uncertainties.opens in a new tab or window In addition, 15 states restrict access to medication abortion, including North Dakota, where there are currently no abortion providers, according to the institute.
"The FDA approved Mifeprex more than 20 years ago based on a thorough and comprehensive review of the scientific evidence presented and determined that it was safe and effective for its indicated use. As of 2016, it can be used for medical termination of pregnancy up to 70 days of gestation," according to the FDA's website.

The agency also noted that it has completed "periodic reviews" of postmarketing data on mifepristone and its approved generics and "have not identified any new safety concerns with the use of mifepristone for medical termination of pregnancy through 70 days' gestation."
The medication protocol of mifepristone followed by misoprostol successfully terminates pregnancies 99.6% of the time, according to the Kaiser Family Foundationopens in a new tab or window, with major complications occurring in 0.4% of cases and deaths in 0.00064% of cases.
Misoprostol alone has been deemed in studies "safe and effectiveopens in a new tab or window" for terminating a pregnancy; however, it is somewhat less effective and the two-drug regimen has become standard of care.



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Not copying and pasting this but the link is good if you are interested

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news...rafficking-inspires-other-states/11621952002/
 

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It is like the Handmaid's Tale becoming reality. I'm sure it has been said before in this thread, but I don't understand how the women in these states (and the men that love them) are allowing this to happen. I can only assume it is because they themselves, or anyone they know, have never been in the situation of needing an abortion. And the sad thing is that it will take years for the cumulative fall out of these bills to hit home for these people. Because it is only a matter of time before someone they know will have a non-viable pregnancy and be forced to carry to term. Only a matter of time before they know a family being crushed financially by forced pregnancy. Only a matter of time before state aid programs are bankrupted by forced poverty. Only a matter of time before someone they know, in desperation, seeks out a back alley abortion, and dies from sepsis.
 

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It sure feels like it. I've used that same term to describe these times.

I’ve been feeling like this for a few years now but it’s definitely magnifying with recent events. If only SMH were an Olympic sport I’d be a star :lol:
 

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It is like the Handmaid's Tale becoming reality. I'm sure it has been said before in this thread, but I don't understand how the women in these states (and the men that love them) are allowing this to happen. I can only assume it is because they themselves, or anyone they know, have never been in the situation of needing an abortion. And the sad thing is that it will take years for the cumulative fall out of these bills to hit home for these people. Because it is only a matter of time before someone they know will have a non-viable pregnancy and be forced to carry to term. Only a matter of time before they know a family being crushed financially by forced pregnancy. Only a matter of time before state aid programs are bankrupted by forced poverty. Only a matter of time before someone they know, in desperation, seeks out a back alley abortion, and dies from sepsis.

Yes. This exactly. How are these young women and men not spitting mad and taking action? I don’t think one needs to be in the situation to get it. But if they don’t get it there are much bigger worries for the future imo. Are we raising an apathetic generation that lacks empathy? I sure hope not.
 

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The young ones are out there asking questions and fighting, they're just being ignored by the media. FL just passed a bill making it harder for Gen Z to vote because they are tipping the tide to blue in places and other red states are looking for ways to impement voter supression over and above gerrymandering. Many young people care very much and they will not be silenced. They are paying attention.
 

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The young ones are out there asking questions and fighting, they're just being ignored by the media. FL just passed a bill making it harder for Gen Z to vote because they are tipping the tide to blue in places and other red states are looking for ways to impement voter supression over and above gerrymandering. Many young people care very much and they will not be silenced. They are paying attention.

100 percent! My kids are between 18 and 25. They are outspoken about these topics. As are many of the people in this age group. No doubt it will be felt in the next elections.
 

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The young ones are out there asking questions and fighting, they're just being ignored by the media. FL just passed a bill making it harder for Gen Z to vote because they are tipping the tide to blue in places and other red states are looking for ways to impement voter supression over and above gerrymandering. Many young people care very much and they will not be silenced. They are paying attention.

100 percent! My kids are between 18 and 25. They are outspoken about these topics. As are many of the people in this age group. No doubt it will be felt in the next elections.

Let's hope they can turn the tide. Let's hope this backfires on the Re****licans and all the previous swing voters swing to liberal and give us back the freedom to do as we choose to do with our own bodies and all our other freedoms at risk. The elections will prove it either way and I am holding out hope that most voters reject the radical policies of the extremist conservatives and hold these MAGA extremists accountable. This is a real opportunity to achieve reforms and to do so all the young people (traditionally the lowest percentage of voters) must vote and make their voices heard. There is no other way.


 

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Federal appeals court partially blocks Texas abortion pill ruling​


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A federal appeals court late Wednesday partially blocked a Texas judge's decision halting the FDA's approval of the widely used abortion pill mifepristone.

The big picture: The 2-1 ruling by a three-judge panel on the conservative-leaning court means that, for now, mifepristone is still available in the U.S., but with several strict limitations.

Details: The New Orleans-based 5th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals granted the Biden administration's request to put on hold part of the Texas judge's order blocking the Food and Drug Administration's approval of the pill, pending the outcome of the lawsuit challenging the FDA on this authority, which has been in place since 2000.

However, changes the FDA made in 2016 lifting certain restrictions on mifepristone are now suspended under the appeals court ruling. That restores a requirement that patients need the supervision of a qualified physician to obtain the pill.
The judges also suspended the FDA's 2021 approval for the pills to be sent by mail, as well as its approval of a generic version.
Catch up quick: U.S. District Court Judge Matthew Kacsmaryk last week stayed the FDA's approval of mifepristone, in a widely criticized decision that used anti-abortion rhetoric to argue that medication abortion has a "negative impact" and that the agency's safety data on the pill is "potentially misleading."

The Justice Department quickly appealed, calling Kacsmaryk's order "extraordinary and unprecedented."

The Texas judge, the DOJ argued, "upended decades of reliance by blocking the FDA's approval of mifepristone ... based on the court's own misguided assessment of the drug's safety."
Mifepristone is part of a two-drug regimen used in medication abortion, which now accounts for 53% of abortions in the U.S., according to the Guttmacher Institute, a research organization that supports abortion rights.
What's next: The Biden administration and the drug's manufacturer could appeal to the Supreme Court to have the lower court's ruling fully overturned.

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Court Says Abortion Pill Can Remain Available but Imposes Temporary Restrictions​

The judges blocked the drug from being sent to patients through the mail and rolled back other steps the government had taken to ease access.

Pam Belluck
By Pam Belluck
April 13, 2023Updated 6:20 a.m. ET
A federal appeals court ruled late Wednesday that the abortion pill mifepristone could remain available, but the judges blocked the drug from being sent to patients through the mail and rolled back other steps the government had taken to ease access in recent years.
In its order, a three-judge panel for the Fifth Circuit partly overruled Judge Matthew J. Kacsmaryk of the Northern District of Texas, who last week declared that the Food and Drug Administration’s approval of mifepristone in 2000 was not valid, in essence saying that the drug should be pulled from the market.
The appellate court said its ruling would hold until the full case was heard on its merits.
In its order, the appellate panel said the F.D.A.’s approval of mifepristone could stand because too much time had passed for the plaintiffs, a consortium of groups and doctors opposed to abortion, to challenge that decision. The court also seemed to take into account the government’s view that removing a long-approved drug from the market would have “significant public consequences.”

But the appellate court said that it was not too late for the plaintiffs to challenge a set of steps the F.D.A. took beginning in 2016 that lifted restrictions and made it easier for more patients to have access to the pill.

The court also said that the government could not logically claim that the changes made since 2016 “were so critical to the public given that the nation operated — and mifepristone was administered to millions of women” before the old restrictions were eased.



Those changes approved use of the pill for up to 10 weeks into pregnancy instead of seven weeks, allowed it to be prescribed by some health providers other than doctors and permitted mifepristone to be mailed to patients instead of requiring it to be picked up from a health care provider in person.


Such steps significantly expanded access to medication abortion, which is now used in more than half of pregnancy terminations in the United States. It usually involves taking mifepristone — which blocks a hormone that allows a pregnancy to develop — followed one or two days later by another drug, misoprostol, which causes contractions similar to a miscarriage.

Judge Kacsmaryk, a Trump appointee who has written critically of the Roe v. Wade decision, had stayed his order for seven days to give the F.D.A. time to appeal. On Monday, the F.D.A. had asked the appeals court to extend that stay, and the judges partly granted that request.

In the decision, which came just before midnight on Wednesday, two Trump-appointed judges voted to reimpose some of the restrictions that the F.D.A. had eased. The third judge, appointed by President George W. Bush, said she would essentially have granted the full request. All of those restrictions were temporarily reinstated.
The Justice Department is likely to appeal the order to the Supreme Court. The plaintiffs may also appeal to the Supreme Court and ask it to invalidate the initial approval of mifepristone.
The 42-page appeals court opinion appeared to accept several of the claims of the anti-abortion plaintiffs and used some of the terminology of abortion opponents, referring to medication abortion as “chemical abortion” and in one instance referring to a fetus or embryo as “an unborn child.”
In their lawsuit, the abortion opponents claim that mifepristone is unsafe, causing “cramping, heavy bleeding and severe pain,” and that the F.D.A. has ignored safety risks and never adequately evaluated the scientific evidence.
The F.D.A. vigorously disputes this claim, as do mainstream medical organizations. They say that bleeding and cramping are normal consequences of the process, a sign that the pregnancy tissue is being expelled, and cite years of scientific studies that show that serious complications are rare, resulting in less than 1 percent of patients needing hospitalization. The F.D.A. applies a special regulatory framework to mifepristone, meaning that it has been regulated much more strictly and studied more intensively than most other drugs.
In seeking a stay of Judge Kacsmaryk’s ruling, lawyers from the Justice Department, representing the F.D.A., wrote, “There is no basis in science or fact for plaintiffs’ repeated claims that mifepristone is unsafe when used in the manner approved by F.D.A.”
The appeals court did not evaluate all of the safety arguments in the case, but it said that the F.D.A. “cannot deny that serious complications from mifepristone” occur and said that the agreement form that the agency requires patients to sign stipulates that the drug can carry risks. The court also said that the F.D.A. was incorrect in saying that mifepristone was comparable in safety to ibuprofen. “F.D.A.’s own documents show that mifepristone bears no resemblance to ibuprofen,” the court said.

The appeals court also seemed to agree with the plaintiffs that a 19th-century law called the Comstock Act prevents the mailing of drugs used for abortions. The Justice Department said in a recent memo that the act prohibits mailing the pills only if the sender knows they will be used for an illegal abortion, not if the patient is in a state where abortion is legal.
The appeals court wrote that “merely by knowingly making use of the mail for a prohibited abortion item” would violate that law.
The court also disagreed with the F.D.A.’s argument that the plaintiffs did not have legal standing to file the lawsuit. Legal standing requires that plaintiffs incur damage or harm from the actions of the party they are suing.
The plaintiffs said they were injured because they treated some women who needed additional care after taking abortion pills, requiring the doctors to divert medical resources they would have used for other patients and to sometimes act against their moral views and perform a surgical procedure after an incomplete medication abortion. The F.D.A. said that those claims of harm were too far removed from the agency’s actions in regulating mifepristone and that the definition of a doctor’s job was to care for patients so the doctors could not be harmed by doing the job they were trained to do.
The appeals court said that “as a result of F.D.A.’s failure to regulate this potent drug, these doctors have had to devote significant time and resources to caring for women experiencing mifepristone’s harmful effects. This harm is sufficiently concrete.”
The opinion added that the plaintiffs “also face an injury from the irreconcilable choice between performing their jobs and abiding by their consciences.”
The case has attracted interest beyond the groups that usually weigh in on abortion cases. On Monday, more than 400 pharmaceutical industry leaders and investors issued a scathing condemnation of the ruling and demanded that it be reversed.
“If courts can overturn drug approvals without regard for science or evidence, or for the complexity required to fully vet the safety and efficacy of new drugs, any medicine is at risk for the same outcome as mifepristone,” they wrote. Leaving the fate of medicines in the hands of jurists, they argued, would have a chilling effect on drug development in the United States, reducing incentives for investment and innovation.
Mike Ives contributed reporting.

 

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Court Says Abortion Pill Can Remain Available but Imposes Temporary Restrictions​

The judges blocked the drug from being sent to patients through the mail and rolled back other steps the government had taken to ease access.

Pam Belluck
By Pam Belluck
April 13, 2023Updated 6:20 a.m. ET
A federal appeals court ruled late Wednesday that the abortion pill mifepristone could remain available, but the judges blocked the drug from being sent to patients through the mail and rolled back other steps the government had taken to ease access in recent years.
In its order, a three-judge panel for the Fifth Circuit partly overruled Judge Matthew J. Kacsmaryk of the Northern District of Texas, who last week declared that the Food and Drug Administration’s approval of mifepristone in 2000 was not valid, in essence saying that the drug should be pulled from the market.
The appellate court said its ruling would hold until the full case was heard on its merits.
In its order, the appellate panel said the F.D.A.’s approval of mifepristone could stand because too much time had passed for the plaintiffs, a consortium of groups and doctors opposed to abortion, to challenge that decision. The court also seemed to take into account the government’s view that removing a long-approved drug from the market would have “significant public consequences.”

But the appellate court said that it was not too late for the plaintiffs to challenge a set of steps the F.D.A. took beginning in 2016 that lifted restrictions and made it easier for more patients to have access to the pill.

The court also said that the government could not logically claim that the changes made since 2016 “were so critical to the public given that the nation operated — and mifepristone was administered to millions of women” before the old restrictions were eased.



Those changes approved use of the pill for up to 10 weeks into pregnancy instead of seven weeks, allowed it to be prescribed by some health providers other than doctors and permitted mifepristone to be mailed to patients instead of requiring it to be picked up from a health care provider in person.


Such steps significantly expanded access to medication abortion, which is now used in more than half of pregnancy terminations in the United States. It usually involves taking mifepristone — which blocks a hormone that allows a pregnancy to develop — followed one or two days later by another drug, misoprostol, which causes contractions similar to a miscarriage.

Judge Kacsmaryk, a Trump appointee who has written critically of the Roe v. Wade decision, had stayed his order for seven days to give the F.D.A. time to appeal. On Monday, the F.D.A. had asked the appeals court to extend that stay, and the judges partly granted that request.

In the decision, which came just before midnight on Wednesday, two Trump-appointed judges voted to reimpose some of the restrictions that the F.D.A. had eased. The third judge, appointed by President George W. Bush, said she would essentially have granted the full request. All of those restrictions were temporarily reinstated.
The Justice Department is likely to appeal the order to the Supreme Court. The plaintiffs may also appeal to the Supreme Court and ask it to invalidate the initial approval of mifepristone.
The 42-page appeals court opinion appeared to accept several of the claims of the anti-abortion plaintiffs and used some of the terminology of abortion opponents, referring to medication abortion as “chemical abortion” and in one instance referring to a fetus or embryo as “an unborn child.”
In their lawsuit, the abortion opponents claim that mifepristone is unsafe, causing “cramping, heavy bleeding and severe pain,” and that the F.D.A. has ignored safety risks and never adequately evaluated the scientific evidence.
The F.D.A. vigorously disputes this claim, as do mainstream medical organizations. They say that bleeding and cramping are normal consequences of the process, a sign that the pregnancy tissue is being expelled, and cite years of scientific studies that show that serious complications are rare, resulting in less than 1 percent of patients needing hospitalization. The F.D.A. applies a special regulatory framework to mifepristone, meaning that it has been regulated much more strictly and studied more intensively than most other drugs.
In seeking a stay of Judge Kacsmaryk’s ruling, lawyers from the Justice Department, representing the F.D.A., wrote, “There is no basis in science or fact for plaintiffs’ repeated claims that mifepristone is unsafe when used in the manner approved by F.D.A.”
The appeals court did not evaluate all of the safety arguments in the case, but it said that the F.D.A. “cannot deny that serious complications from mifepristone” occur and said that the agreement form that the agency requires patients to sign stipulates that the drug can carry risks. The court also said that the F.D.A. was incorrect in saying that mifepristone was comparable in safety to ibuprofen. “F.D.A.’s own documents show that mifepristone bears no resemblance to ibuprofen,” the court said.

The appeals court also seemed to agree with the plaintiffs that a 19th-century law called the Comstock Act prevents the mailing of drugs used for abortions. The Justice Department said in a recent memo that the act prohibits mailing the pills only if the sender knows they will be used for an illegal abortion, not if the patient is in a state where abortion is legal.
The appeals court wrote that “merely by knowingly making use of the mail for a prohibited abortion item” would violate that law.
The court also disagreed with the F.D.A.’s argument that the plaintiffs did not have legal standing to file the lawsuit. Legal standing requires that plaintiffs incur damage or harm from the actions of the party they are suing.
The plaintiffs said they were injured because they treated some women who needed additional care after taking abortion pills, requiring the doctors to divert medical resources they would have used for other patients and to sometimes act against their moral views and perform a surgical procedure after an incomplete medication abortion. The F.D.A. said that those claims of harm were too far removed from the agency’s actions in regulating mifepristone and that the definition of a doctor’s job was to care for patients so the doctors could not be harmed by doing the job they were trained to do.
The appeals court said that “as a result of F.D.A.’s failure to regulate this potent drug, these doctors have had to devote significant time and resources to caring for women experiencing mifepristone’s harmful effects. This harm is sufficiently concrete.”
The opinion added that the plaintiffs “also face an injury from the irreconcilable choice between performing their jobs and abiding by their consciences.”
The case has attracted interest beyond the groups that usually weigh in on abortion cases. On Monday, more than 400 pharmaceutical industry leaders and investors issued a scathing condemnation of the ruling and demanded that it be reversed.
“If courts can overturn drug approvals without regard for science or evidence, or for the complexity required to fully vet the safety and efficacy of new drugs, any medicine is at risk for the same outcome as mifepristone,” they wrote. Leaving the fate of medicines in the hands of jurists, they argued, would have a chilling effect on drug development in the United States, reducing incentives for investment and innovation.
Mike Ives contributed reporting.


So in states where “the abortion pill” is banned, does that mean residents can’t have those drugs for the other things they’re used to treat either? Ulcers, etc.?
 

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So in states where “the abortion pill” is banned, does that mean residents can’t have those drugs for the other things they’re used to treat either? Ulcers, etc.?

Yes, I believe that is the case. The bottom line is that no court should place themselves into the scientific process of approving medications. It is just not in their jurisdiction.
 
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Not sure if this has been brought up yet, but I think this is a huge part of why the US is suddenly so keen on banning Tiktok. They cannot control the narrative there, and it's just now being infiltrated by the same trolls and bots from days of yore on FB during the 2016 election. If Tiktok is banned I've already decided I'm leaving social media altogether. They want to make it a crime to bypass a ban using VPNs...what the hell happened to the US??? Women and girls worried about tracking their periods? Worried about being put to death in some states for terminating pregnancies? This is a fever dream.

I finally have the means to leave this country, but during my custody battle I had zero money and lost primary care of my child simply because I couldn't afford a good attorney, meaning if I were to leave, I'd never see her. So I'm stuck in that regard.

We need to band together against this mess. And by "mess," I mean patriarchy. It permeates and screws up every facet of our collective culture for all of us regardless of gender. I am so ready to go full Umoja, which is a successful matriarch village in Kenya.

 

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So in states where “the abortion pill” is banned, does that mean residents can’t have those drugs for the other things they’re used to treat either? Ulcers, etc.?

Yes, this has been a concern of many since talks were first introduced about banning mifepristone.
 

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So in states where “the abortion pill” is banned, does that mean residents can’t have those drugs for the other things they’re used to treat either? Ulcers, etc.?

Yup.
We are solidly in the Twilight Zone
 

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Florida legislature passes six week abortion ban. I feel sick.
 

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I was born and raised there. My current state is stockpiling.

The problem is stockpiling will only last so long. This is so freaking UNACCEPTABLE :x2:x2:x2
 

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And the governor signed it :x2

I saw that this morning along with footage of him being surrounded by women as he signed it.

What next are they going to take away…. Plan B, IUD’s and birth control pills?
 

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I saw that this morning along with footage of him being surrounded by women as he signed it.

What next are they going to take away…. Plan B, IUD’s and birth control pills?

That's the plan, no matter what they say.
Just like how Moon was defending child marriage in Missouri.
This is where they want to go, and it's all religiously based. In other words, it has no valid basis at all being applied to anyone else. They want slavery. In all forms.
 

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I saw that this morning along with footage of him being surrounded by women as he signed it.

What next are they going to take away…. Plan B, IUD’s and birth control pills?

Yes, this is what is next unless women, and evolved men, wake up! They want to go back to the time that white men held ALL control. And after they eliminate any reproductive control, they will go after our right to vote to keep us helpless.
 

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I saw that this morning along with footage of him being surrounded by women as he signed it.

What next are they going to take away…. Plan B, IUD’s and birth control pills?

After taking everything away from women they'll start giving ... starting with chastity belts.

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