4.1ct LucYen red spinel...heavy pictures

[OTL]

here is a screenshot of your swatch as it appears on ps, and downloaded in photoshop. My only point is that colors are changed somewhat when pics are uploaded to PS, so what we see may not match well with what you saw.

The color does change a little when uploading to PS, here is the color component of your picture, left VS. right.

It is 254 VS. 255. It looks pretty much the same to my naked eye. I also don't see any orangish either.

 

[VapidLapid]

If these pictures look the same to you then enjoy your brown stone. If you want to fixate on a calibrated color swatch, by all means go for it. I thought you were interested in opinions on a stone. The inclusions would be deal breakers for me unless the stone is a calibrated pantone color and a hundred bucks.

 

[LD]

There was a stone posted by somebody who was thinking of buying it (I think it was a flame spinel if I remember correctly) a couple of years ago. Everybody said it was orange apart from the poster. The vendor even came on and said it was 100% red. The poster went ahead and got the stone ..... they later posted that they had returned it because it was orange.

You won't change anybody's mind as to what they're seeing but honestly, that's not important. You need to decide if it's a stone for you.

 

[OTL]

There was a stone posted by somebody who was thinking of buying it (I think it was a flame spinel if I remember correctly) a couple of years ago. Everybody said it was orange apart from the poster. The vendor even came on and said it was 100% red. The poster went ahead and got the stone ..... they later posted that they had returned it because it was orange.

You won't change anybody's mind as to what they're seeing but honestly, that's not important. You need to decide if it's a stone for you.

I know which thread you are referring. I agree that it is not a 100% red, it does have orange. I thought or I read somewhere that to be a flame spinel, it needs to have a slightly orangish modifier to get that fiery effect. I am not changing anyone's mind just state what color I am using in photosop. That's it. People can see different colors that's not wrong at all. Our eyes are not like computer calibrated.

--VL I didn't comment on that stone photo with the garnet at all. Of course there's a huge difference. I only referred the two solid red color photo and said the red rectangle photo looks the same to me. I wouldn't call it a brown stone. That's really not true.


I appreciate all your inputs on the color. But mainly I was bugged by the inclusions, and hubby says no, too big iclusions. So that's the final call.

 

[LD]

Well, a 4ct spinel without inclusions will be very expensive AND may be incredibly difficult to find. If the inclusions will bug you (and you can't ignore them) then your husband is right. I have a diamond with a small inclusion that I thought was going to drive me mad but actually I don't see it now at all! Mind you if it had a fairly large inclusion I don't think I could. It's all about tolerance levels isn't it?

 

[NKOTB]

When I saw the first pics, I didn't see brown. Dark red, yes, but not what I would have called brown. Even when others saw it, I didn't. Then I saw the second batch of pics, and thought it was pretty straight up bright red. Then I saw the swatch, which looked reddish orange. Then looked back at the stone, which in the second batch looked orangy red suddenly. Then back to the first pics, and I saw the brown. And a significant difference in the two pics VL posted.

So, yeah...Is that because in isolation, something can look one colour, but by comparison, quite a different colour? It would appear that might be the case? Anyway, just throwing that out there.

I might still like the colour. And the size is decent, obviously. The inclusions would likely bother me, too, though.

 

[LD]

When I saw the first pics, I didn't see brown. Dark red, yes, but not what I would have called brown. Even when others saw it, I didn't. Then I saw the second batch of pics, and thought it was pretty straight up bright red. Then I saw the swatch, which looked reddish orange. Then looked back at the stone, which in the second batch looked orangy red suddenly. Then back to the first pics, and I saw the brown. And a significant difference in the two pics VL posted.

So, yeah...Is that because in isolation, something can look one colour, but by comparison, quite a different colour? It would appear that might be the case? Anyway, just throwing that out there.

I might still like the colour. And the size is decent, obviously. The inclusions would likely bother me, too, though.

People see colour incredibly differently. There was a thread once that had an online test that looked at perception of colour and how accurate that was - you had to rearrange colours in order of tone etc (so basically what you did above but all in one place and with a lot more tones).

Some people have a "memory" for colour ie they can hold a colour and replicate later very accurately. Others can't. Others can to a certain degree but will be a few tones "off" the original. What is very interesting is that in coloured gemstone world, some people are much more sensitive to seeing grey and brown than others and the ability to tolerate either of those seem to be extremes.

Clearly there's no right or wrong.

 

[airplay355]

Here's the color test. I scored a perfect score

http://xritephoto.com/ph_toolframe.aspx?action=coloriq

 

[minousbijoux]

Here's the color test. I scored a perfect score

http://xritephoto.com/ph_toolframe.aspx?action=coloriq

You'll be interested in knowing airplay that the majority of us scored a perfect score - seemed pretty easy for those of us who care about color.

 

[airplay355]

Maybe to appreciate color, you have to be able to see color

 

[Enerchi]

Here's the color test. I scored a perfect score

http://xritephoto.com/ph_toolframe.aspx?action=coloriq

I scored a 7 -- but could not figure out how to calibrate my monitor. For my age range, it seemed like I was in a pretty good range! Still -- not a 0 like your score - well done, airplay!

 

[Lisa Loves Shiny]

I see a cinnamon tone to the stone but I still like it. It would be nice set in a pendant for the fall season.

 

[colorluvr]

So, yeah...Is that because in isolation, something can look one colour, but by comparison, quite a different colour? It would appear that might be the case? Anyway, just throwing that out there.

People see colour incredibly differently. There was a thread once that had an online test that looked at perception of colour and how accurate that was - you had to rearrange colours in order of tone etc (so basically what you did above but all in one place and with a lot more tones).

Some people have a "memory" for colour ie they can hold a colour and replicate later very accurately. Others can't. Others can to a certain degree but will be a few tones "off" the original. What is very interesting is that in coloured gemstone world, some people are much more sensitive to seeing grey and brown than others and the ability to tolerate either of those seem to be extremes.

Clearly there's no right or wrong.

I completey agree with LD's last statement AND with NKOTB's quoted statement. I got a 3 on that test which I think is pretty dang good for someone with 61 yr old eyes, but I admittedly do better with color comparisons than I do with a color in isolation at sensing modifiers. In other words, when two reds are next to each other, I can pick out which one might have a slight more orange, but by itself, I may not notice the slight orange.

I have an old and moldy BA degree in graphic design from pre-computer graphic days when studying color and how it was perceived in different mediums was a large part of what we studied (before color on a computer monitor was even considered ). I can always pick dots of a slightly different hue in those eye tests that they give you to test color perception, yet I sometimes don't perceive a slight modifier until it is pointed out to me.

I don't think this means I don't "appreciate" color because I may not be quite as sensitive to a modifier as someone else. I think it just means I'm not as sensitive to it.

 

[OTL]

Here's the color test. I scored a perfect score

http://xritephoto.com/ph_toolframe.aspx?action=coloriq

This is so fun! I also scored a 0

 

[Arkteia]

To be fair, it looked cinnamon-ish to me yesterday on my computer screen, but today I am looking at it on my cellphone screen and I do not see brownish, although I see some orange. This being said, not all cameras are "fair" to all colors, so what you see IRL may not be captured by the camera, especially the vibrancy of color. Even adjusting the white balance may not always heIp. Another sad thing, CFLs are very unfavorable for reds and oranges, and nowadays they ate everywhere, or will be.
How people perceive colors may, among other factors, depend on their vision acuity. If someone is farr-sighted, try taking the test with eyeglasses on and off.

 

[chrono]

OTL,
Is this spinel a keeper in your book? I, too, see it as slightly brownish orangish red, which is likely to be reflected in the price. Nothing wrong with that because not everyone likes the same colours.

 

[OTL]

OTL,
Is this spinel a keeper in your book? I, too, see it as slightly brownish orangish red, which is likely to be reflected in the price. Nothing wrong with that because not everyone likes the same colours.

Everytime I pulled it out from the box the color pleased me. It has to be the hardest choice ever since I bought color stones. Now I think I am going to keep it. This size and color spinel from Luc Yen, if eye clean, i wouldn't be able to afford it.

 

[GemFever]

damn i scored high on that *test. I'm gonna try again

OTL: looks like an awesome stone, esp if you didn't pay a premium "super pure red" price for it. I'd keep it, inclusions, modifiers and all