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iLander|1358215417|3355708 said:Okay, I give, you twisted my arm,here's the thread with my halo from IDJ:
[URL='https://www.pricescope.com/community/threads/ok-ilander-where-is-it.183597/']https://www.pricescope.com/community/threads/ok-ilander-where-is-it.183597/[/URL]
Circe said:Who can you trust? GIA, PS, and yourself.![]()
Chrono|1358252191|3355896 said:Now that you've shared more details about what happened, it leaves me very uncomfortable as well that she arbitrarily increased it an additional $12K. I would not waste further time nor emotional stress dealing with this shop.
smitcompton said:Hi Missy,
I want to point one thing out to you. IMO, if you decide you want to continue to pursue this diamond, you should address the price difference now. What will happen if you don't, you will get exactly the same type of reaction from her as you had. In her mind she is going to all this trouble thinking she is going to get the price she quoted. She's counting on it. After the GIA report comes in and you confront her about the web page price, I guarantee you she will make all sorts of excuses for the new price she quoted you. It was an over sight the price was not upped, diamond prices have gone up ect. This is a pschological response after believing she had her goal in sight. Crush her now, for if you wait, she will be rooted in that price. You want to negotiate from the lower price.
I love yellow diamonds. I really think the better value is in the larger diamonds. (I have no plans to buy one myself, just an observation)
Annette
LD said:Missy - she said in her email to you that sending the diamond to GIA won't make a difference to the price. Sooooooooooo what she's saying is that she's unlikely to negotiate based on the report. The only time the GIA grading comes into play is if it's graded lower than the seller has stated. At that point you have every right to back out of the sale OR re-negotiate. In the meantime .....
iLander hit the nail on the head - whomever is prepared to walk away will typically do better in a negotiation. Basically you've got to come up with a figure that you'd be happy to pay, then reduce it somewhat (not to a point that it's insulting but to a point where you feel you can move upwards from). If you're up front and tell her that you know she had it for sale for $[lower figure] and you start slightly lower than that, there's no more pretending. The ball is then in her court. If you feel uncomfortable doing this, then do it via email and do it BEFORE there's any more talk of sending it to the GIA. If you continue to talk about the GIA, get the stone sent off and THEN start to talk about the price, she'll probably see you as a time waster and won't be as receptive to your negotiations. In fact, if you wait for the report and it comes back as a better colour grade, you may have shot yourself in the foot! She clearly wants the sale so put yourself in the driving seat, all cards on the table and go from there.
Rosebloom|1358317789|3356635 said:Well I love both rings on your hand! Your ering is stunning. Obviously you need both and have one for your rhr. Where oh where is that money tree?
missy|1358298508|3356468 said:Just to show you the difference in size with this ring and my ER...(please ignore the bulky prongs and shared eternity setting of my ER as if I keep this ring I will be resetting to a much more delicate ring). I just think the size of the yellow diamond ring looks so much better on my hand than my ER.
I love the beautiful yellow gold claw prongs on the yellow diamond.![]()
Rosebloom|1358317789|3356635 said:Well I love both rings on your hand! Your ering is stunning. Obviously you need both and have one for your rhr. Where oh where is that money tree?
YT said:Oh my!! I looooooove the look of a huge yellow diamond on you! Your finger has found it's soulmate!
Laila619 said:Rosebloom|1358317789|3356635 said:Well I love both rings on your hand! Your ering is stunning. Obviously you need both and have one for your rhr. Where oh where is that money tree?
Ditto! Your e-ring is certainly no slouch!![]()
LD said:missy|1358298508|3356468 said:Just to show you the difference in size with this ring and my ER...(please ignore the bulky prongs and shared eternity setting of my ER as if I keep this ring I will be resetting to a much more delicate ring). I just think the size of the yellow diamond ring looks so much better on my hand than my ER.
I love the beautiful yellow gold claw prongs on the yellow diamond.![]()
Just read what you've written above - you LOVE this yellow ring. Don't hesitate, start the negotiations! Look at it this way, who cares if she increased the price by $12k so long as you pay the price she wanted before OR LESS!![]()
Chrono|1358352317|3356849 said:In that case, you'll have to do a lot of internal thinking. Forget about the size. Imagine that the yellow diamond is the same size as your diamond ring. Yes, I know you want it BIG but I'm concerned that that is the only attraction to you and if that is the case, you'll end up dissatisfied with it in the long run.
What do you like about the yellow diamond? Is it the colour? The sparkle? The setting? If you are the type that must have everything matchy-matchy, will having a yellow ring "mess" up the colour coordination in your mind? Are you confident enough to pull off a yellow ring with a blue / green / red / purple / "insert colour here" outfit?
Let's talk about size now. The ring is huge, no mistaking that. Sure it looks great but does it fit into your lifestyle? Will you feel self conscious in your social circle? Will it get in the way of your normal daily routine? What I mean is that a bigger ring tends to get banged around more often, caught in pockets, etc.
You don't have to post your answer but these are points to consider.
junebug17 said:It looks so beautiful on your hand missy! It really is a gorgeous ring. I was going to agree with LD and say just start negotiating since you really do seem to love it. But then I read your other post and sounds like you are having some second thoughts, so very wise not to rush into anything! If it's meant to be, it will be. I don't think the ring is going anywhere any time soon! I had brought up the fact a few posts back how you'd feel about such a big change and giving up your MRB, and Chrono raised some other really good points and gave you some great food for thought.
Is is bad that there's a part of me that really, really wants you to get this ring though?I don't know, I just think the fact that you tried this baby on and seriously considered getting it is a testament to how much you love it. Can you tell I tend to be a bit impulsive too?
I'm probably not helping right now! You are being very smart by taking your time and thinking this through, don't listen to me!
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Chrono|1358427450|3357665 said:All right then, how about this - imagine you have 2 radiant diamonds of the same size (really big) and both are equally well cut. Both are set in this same halo setting that you love. The only difference is that one is a yellow diamond and the other is a white / colourless diamond. Which one speaks more to you? Which one do you gravitate to? Which one is the MUST have?
Chrono|1358431877|3357727 said:Missy,
I only chose a radiant because the yellow diamond is a radiant. Let's suppose it is an OMC or AVC then.Here's two different scenarios.
Supposing money is not an object:
5 ct OMC / AVC or a 5 ct radiant yellow diamond? Which would you choose and why?
Although this scenario is not realistic, it might help you decide if a yellow diamond is the right choice for your e-ring. It tests the strength of your love for colourless diamonds versus yellow diamonds.
Supposing a set budget of X dollars :
X ct OMC / AVC or 5 ct radiant yellow diamond? Which would you choose and why?
This scenario questions whether size is enough to sway on away from your favourite cut and colourless diamond long term. It also questions whether it is only the shape that bothers you. Perhaps you might not mind a smaller (2 or 3 ct) OMC / AVC because it's a shape and look you love.
Rosebloom|1358478355|3358378 said:For some reason all day I kept thinking that while that yellow ring is amazing, I think you'd regret letting go of your beautiful ering stone. So I'm kind of happy to hear that you're giving it another shot! Before I had read your last post I was imagining a VC cushion shaped halo to change the shape a bit and give it an overall size boost or a LM three stone with pear sides to amp up your horizontal finger coverage and give you a totally different feel.
Maybe you should get a FY pendant? Have your sunshine and your white ering too!
missy|1358513484|3358582 said:I am still in a bit of a funk right now. But I think it has to do with a number of things. For one, my mobile phone is having difficulty charging. What a huge pain in the you know what. I am so sick of having problems with these darn devices. And my macbook pro (which was just fixed for $300 plus) is once again not accepting a charge most of the time. I have to keep playing with the charger and the connection on whatever charger I use for it. I am seeing a definite trend here. I think my electrical aura is screwing around with all my devices. It's gotta be me right? I mean, no one else I know keeps having these problems with their technology devices. The thing is, I cannot stand to be without them and they are driving me batty when they don't work right and despite being proactive they keep not working right after a short while after being fixed. wah wah wah. I'm a huge baby.Exhausting to have to deal with this nonsense while trying to make my mind up about my ER which is just adding to my stress level. OK rant over.
I know I want to work with someone local on my ER reset because I need to have the ability to be there when I need to be and I do not want to mail my ring. I couldn't deal with that potential problem of sending it through the mail so that's off the table. That helps narrow it down. So, I can think of a few PS recommended vendors- Mark at ERD, Leon Mege, David at DBL, Steven Kirsch, and Yekutiel at IDJ. I don't want a halo because my diamond is round and I don't care for a halo on a round. And I am not sure how I feel about a cushion halo on it. And though I love 3 stones I am thinking I want to keep it a solitaire though that keeps the size as is. I really want to work with someone who is nice as I don't want any additional stress re personality. I also know I need to start a new thread on this.
Thanks Rosebloom!
Chrono said:I'm glad your electronic issues are partially resolved. And very happy you got to see a high quality yellow FCD; once you've seen it, it's difficult to settle for something lesser.It is so sweet that your DH tried hard to cheer you up and he did good! Take your time and enjoy the research process on the right setting. It'll be very worth it!
minousbijoux said:The more I hear about him, the more I'm liking this DH of yoursGood man to take you out to lunch and off to setting shop!
Rosebloom said:Happy proposal anniversary! What a fun trip to DBL!
It probably is a good idea to start a reset thread - people have the most amazing suggestions over on RT (including you!).
Enerchi said:Happy Anniversary, Missy!!! And I'm so glad for you, that you got to meet David and get to see the GORGEOUS DBL items he has!! Isn't that ring amazing??? "Amazing" seems like not enough of a description for it - it is all that and so much more!! And when you see it on your hand --- oo lala!!! "MUST HAVE", right???? Ah...![]()
so... and this is just how my brain works, your's has probably evolved to a much higher level than the 2 neuron's I own that only occasionally collide together.... - if it were me, and you've decided that you will keep and continue to enjoy your ering diamond, then reset it to what would make you happy. You keep the sentimental stone and get to enjoy something new - at far less of a financial investment than the 5ct radiant that started all of this.
NEXT - I'd get *A* new yellow stone that has caught your eye - but not from the B&M store you thought you had a good relationship with! For me, and I know I'm a big fan of DBL!, I'd create something with him - now that you've seen the workmanship IRL, you know what I mean about how well made they are! For me - a reset and a new yellow ring - that would cover my bases. uh huh... I could be pretty happy with that plan!![]()
Good luck - but I'm very glad you have 'broken up' with your first store in New Hope. She was not an honest seller and it hurts when you discover that about someone.
YT said:Happy anniversary!!! Congrats!
I'm so jealous you got to go to DBL and look at all the amazing bling!! If I could visit one store, it would be DBL to look at the amazing yellow and pink diamonds! Their website makes me drool so think about what will happen to me if I went to see it in person!
I wish you had taken pictures! But I'm glad you found something you love even if it may be out of budgets. But budgets are not set in stone! They can be stretched! Woo hoo to stretched budgets!!! Maybe we should open a charity for your new cushiondo a little fundraiser
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