Antique emerald cut CVB June Cluster possibly in works

[petrock<3]

All points come together in the center here which is what I wanted. I don’t see that happening with this one

 

[vintageinjune]

All points come together in the center here which is what I wanted. I don’t see that happening with this one

Oh.... I 100% this this now, and yeah, you are right, the rendering/inspo compared the stone they cut, the windmills are pointed in more towards each other instead of that center point.

A rectangular culet will not fix that, not at all. It had to be cut like that from the start for the windmills to work with the inspo culet.

Don't get me wrong, the diamond is gorgeous, but the windmills are wrong (at least, that's the best way I can describe what I'm seeing, someone else might have better terminology).

 

[oldcutclubmember]

All points come together in the center here which is what I wanted. I don’t see that happening with this one

Yeah, there is no way to make a different shaped culet at this point. I still think the stone is very pretty though! I just don’t think I would do a culet with it.

 

[petrock<3]

So what I really liked about this cut was the points coming together in the middle. Caysie said she’s talking to the cutter about reshaping the pavilion. I have no idea what that would do, do any of you? Could that possibly fix it? @Karl_K penny for your thoughts thank you

 

[oldcutclubmember]

So what I really liked about this cut was the points coming together in the middle. Caysie said she’s talking to the cutter about reshaping the pavilion. I have no idea what that would do, do any of you? Could that possibly fix it? @Karl_K penny for your thoughts thank you

If the pavilion facets can be reshaped to close to the blue lines in the pic, it would solve the problem I think. Whether or not it’s possible for a cutter to logistically and physically to actually reshape it like that, I have no idea. I also have no idea how much mass you would lose by reshaping and whether or not they would be willing to do that if the result would dip under the 4.5 ct mark.

 

[petrock<3]

If the pavilion facets can be reshaped to close to the blue lines in the pic, it would solve the problem I think. Whether or not it’s possible for a cutter to logistically and physically to actually reshape it like that, I have no idea. I also have no idea how much mass you would lose by reshaping and whether or not they would be willing to do that if the result would dip under the 4.5 ct mark.

Thank you!! I’m hoping the .2 is enough to play with

 

[Karl_K]

Which pic is the actual stone in question and can you get a pic against a dark background?

 

[Karl_K]

Im going to assume this is the new stone.
It was cut as an emerald cut, when its rectangular the center is rectangular to match with a strait section between the windmills.
Forcing the windmills to meet would not be standard for the cut.
That is likely where the communication error took place.

That said it looks very well cut, I would strongly recommend if possible seeing it in person and then deciding if you want changes.

Edit: the above stone as cut is 2x+ brighter and lively than this stone.


edit 2: keeping 4.5 is unlikely a large reshaping of the pavilion is going to take more than .2ct.
A stone this well cut should sell very well so if you decide to change, a fresh cut stone would be what I would ask for not a rework of this one.

 

[oldcutclubmember]

Im going to assume this is the new stone.
It was cut as an emerald cut, when its rectangular the center is rectangular to match with a strait section between the windmills.
Forcing the windmills to meet would not be standard for the cut.
That is likely where the communication error took place.

That said it looks very well cut, I would strongly recommend if possible seeing it in person and then deciding if you want changes.

Edit: the above stone as cut is 2x+ brighter and lively than this stone.

@petrock<3 As I stated before I really like the look of the stone as is as a wide clipped cornered emerald! I just don’t think a culet would look good with it as it stands currently. If it’s more than 2 times brighter than it would be recut, I think @Karl_K ’s advice should be heeded. I think looking at it in person and seeing how it plays first is a good idea!

 

[Karl_K]

If it’s more than 2 times brighter than it would be recut, I think

Just to clarify,,,
The inspiration stone is not well cut from a light performance standpoint a new one cut with the touching windmills could improve on that.

 

[petrock<3]

Im going to assume this is the new stone.
It was cut as an emerald cut, when its rectangular the center is rectangular to match with a strait section between the windmills.
Forcing the windmills to meet would not be standard for the cut.
That is likely where the communication error took place.

That said it looks very well cut, I would strongly recommend if possible seeing it in person and then deciding if you want changes.

Edit: the above stone as cut is 2x+ brighter and lively than this stone.


edit 2: keeping 4.5 is unlikely a large reshaping of the pavilion is going to take more than .2ct.
A stone this well cut should sell very well so if you decide to change, a fresh cut stone would be what I would ask for not a rework of this one.

Karl!! Thanks so much for your input! It helps so much! So, you think this stone performs well as is? I did dream of a tiny square culet in the center but sounds like the whole thing needs recut on a new stone.

Would this current stone still be superior to a new one with the little square in the center? At the end of the day I want a gorgeous stone that performs well.

Diamond video

Here’s the video of it if that helps.

 

[petrock<3]

@petrock<3 As I stated before I really like the look of the stone as is as a wide clipped cornered emerald! I just don’t think a culet would look good with it as it stands currently. If it’s more than 2 times brighter than it would be recut, I think @Karl_K ’s advice should be heeded. I think looking at it in person and seeing how it plays first is a good idea!

Thank you! I agree! This very nerve wracking but I’m glad to hear the faceting on this as is looks good

 

[Karl_K]

Would this current stone still be superior to a new one with the little square in the center?

First, the video confirmed my impression, it is very well cut.
Could the cutter execute a non-standard design rectangular with touching windmills and maintain the light performance of this one.
Some could, so its possible.
Other option is asscher, square stone with touching windmills.

My recommendation if possible look at this one in person then decide. Shipping is not hugely expensive to see it unset first then send it back for mounting.

 

[petrock<3]

First, the video confirmed my impression, it is very well cut.
Could the cutter execute a non-standard design rectangular with touching windmills and maintain the light performance of this one.
Some could, so its possible.
Other option is asscher, square stone with touching windmills.

My recommendation if possible look at this one in person then decide. Shipping is not hugely expensive to see it unset first then send it back for mounting.

Thanks so much!! This will be the plan I appreciate your input!

 

[petrock<3]

Ok diamond just finished up at IGI labs, came in E vs2 double excellent cut

 

[petrock<3]

this the the EW rendering, will be getting NS rendering soon! Diamond is en route to Caysie right now

 

[vintageinjune]

this the the EW rendering, will be getting NS rendering soon! Diamond is en route to Caysie right now

CADS look great! Did you decide to keep the diamond as is?

 

[emmy12]

this the the EW rendering, will be getting NS rendering soon! Diamond is en route to Caysie right now

Something about the basket is making it look "heavy" in all the side views, but I'm not sure what it is.

 

[petrock<3]

CADS look great! Did you decide to keep the diamond as is?

Yes I haven’t seen it yet, once it gets to Caysie she will send it to me then I will decide what to do with it. I really wanted that style but if it’s a dazzling sparking beauty I’m not going to change it.

 

[petrock<3]

Something about the basket is making it look "heavy" in all the side views, but I'm not sure what it is.

It is a bulkier style ring, but yes the CADs look heavier than the real ones on her site. Maybe just the way the CADs look.
The diamond looks tiny too but that’s probably a product of being on Pricescope too much lol!

 

[emmy12]

It is a bulkier style ring, but yes the CADs look heavier than the real ones on her site. Maybe just the way the CADs look.
The diamond looks tiny too but that’s probably a product of being on Pricescope too much lol!

I looked at the original inspo and the engraved panel is the width of the cut corners. For the new vintage cut stone the panel is also the width of the cut corners, but because those edges are much longer than a typical emerald cut this might be what is making it look heavy.

 

[petrock<3]

I looked at the original inspo and the engraved panel is the width of the cut corners. For the new vintage cut stone the panel is also the width of the cut corners, but because those edges are much longer than a typical emerald cut this might be what is making it look heavy.

Good observation! Thank you!

 

[petrock<3]

Stone stuck in a clearance delay thought I would have it by now! The waiting is killing me lol!

 

[petrock<3]

Here’s the NS rendering

 

[Sprinkles&Stones]

Here’s the NS rendering

I love the NS version!

 

[petrock<3]

I love the NS version!

Thank you!

 

[emmy12]

NS for sure!

 

[emmy12]

The black engraving at the corners looks way more balanced and less dominating in the N/S orientation too.

The basket could be angled in at the bottom so it is less straight up and down in profile, but this detail is a personal preference. Maybe not quite as steep of an angle as I mocked up here but here's a pic for a visual of what I mean.



For fun and to see what it would look like, I tried switching the engraving to the middle and having a narrower strip border the prong extensions on either side.....but I think then way you have it already (with the having the engraving at the corners) is much better!

 

[petrock<3]

The black engraving at the corners looks way more balanced and less dominating in the N/S orientation too.

The basket could be angled in at the bottom so it is less straight up and down in profile, but this detail is a personal preference. Maybe not quite as steep of an angle as I mocked up here but here's a pic for a visual of what I mean.



For fun and to see what it would look like, I tried switching the engraving to the middle and having a narrower strip border the prong extensions on either side.....but I think then way you have it already (with the having the engraving at the corners) is much better!

Thank you!! Cool to see some options !!

 

[petrock<3]

I photoshopped in my stone and blackened the bezel like I want. Does look like a 10.5 x 8.5 stone to you or is my perception just completely warped lol (looks small to me)