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Antique purple pink diamond
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With my measurements it said it should weigh from 1.52 CT to 1.88 CT. But this is not a modern emerald cut. It has less facets. According to gem calculator it would be a sapphire. But it has not double refractive. Tests positive on diamond tester. What is it?
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Okay..before this turns into a dumpster fire.. there is 0 way to determine what the stone is without a lab testing the stone. This is not to promote an argument online on what you think you may or may not have found. If you found the holy grail of deals great, snatch it up get it lab tested yourself and retire on an island somewhere with your investment bravo! If not, save your money and look elsewhere for a one in a million diamond.
That's all we're saying.. not one person here is going to say with certainty oh perform x test or y test and it's 100% a diamond IF. No one can do that over the internet. What they are trying to do is prevent you from being swindled out of your money.
But it's your money and I wish you luck!
That's all we're saying.. not one person here is going to say with certainty oh perform x test or y test and it's 100% a diamond IF. No one can do that over the internet. What they are trying to do is prevent you from being swindled out of your money.
But it's your money and I wish you luck!
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Every single one of those “touch to the surface and watch some lights go on” testers is a toy. That this thing tests as diamond means nothing, frankly, unless you’re getting a trustworthy numeric RI out of the tool (which you’re not).
If you want to help you can offer to pay for the GIA yourself. That way you know what they’re selling - and they know what they’re not selling.
If you want to help you can offer to pay for the GIA yourself. That way you know what they’re selling - and they know what they’re not selling.
The stone is transparent. I was in an outside cafe with limited lighting. (A light here and there). Was uncomfortable doing tests because it is a small stone, can easily slip out of hand/tool and fall and get lost. On some of the cut corners there was what seemed to be crystal knots, like if were broken, but seemed more like crystal formation and not chipped ( the girdle). I need to see it in daylight and will be going tomorrow to measure again hopefully in a private place inside.
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I have to admit, this is ....well, fun
It's become so clear that trying to prove something doesn't exist is impossible.
For example....
I saw a purple elephant flying across the sky over Manhattan.
Right.....
Ok, prove it didn't happen.
And if you can't prove I didn't see it, then it must be possible.
Anyway, speculating about Amythist purple diamonds is infinitely more fun than so many other super highly unlikely- yet not provably false things.....
It's become so clear that trying to prove something doesn't exist is impossible.
For example....
I saw a purple elephant flying across the sky over Manhattan.
Right.....
Ok, prove it didn't happen.
And if you can't prove I didn't see it, then it must be possible.
Anyway, speculating about Amythist purple diamonds is infinitely more fun than so many other super highly unlikely- yet not provably false things.....
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Right, I would love to see pictures of this stone. And did you mention how much they’re asking for it?
It could possibly be a lab stone, which would certainly test as diamond. But if you purchase a lab diamond, which is completely fine if you KNOW it’s a lab diamond, it should not be anywhere near 4 kazillion dollars and it should be disclosed that it is a lab diamond. No testing you can do on a lab diamond will confirm that whether it is in fact a lab diamond. Only the normal gem labs can tell the difference, and even sometimes, with difficulty.
I wish you luck and advise that you do not go meet this person loaded with cash.
It could possibly be a lab stone, which would certainly test as diamond. But if you purchase a lab diamond, which is completely fine if you KNOW it’s a lab diamond, it should not be anywhere near 4 kazillion dollars and it should be disclosed that it is a lab diamond. No testing you can do on a lab diamond will confirm that whether it is in fact a lab diamond. Only the normal gem labs can tell the difference, and even sometimes, with difficulty.
I wish you luck and advise that you do not go meet this person loaded with cash.
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Those are the saddest threads
Daisys and Diamonds
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I have to admit, this is ....well, fun
It's become so clear that trying to prove something doesn't exist is impossible.
For example....
I saw a purple elephant flying across the sky over Manhattan.
Right.....
Ok, prove it didn't happen.
And if you can't prove I didn't see it, then it must be possible.
Anyway, speculating about Amythist purple diamonds is infinitely more fun than so many other super highly unlikely- yet not provably false things.....
It bets arguing about politics or anti-vaxers any day
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Moissanite.
It comes in many colors such as Amethyst, can easily test like a diamond in jewelry stores, and is very scratch resistant as it's 9.25 on the mohs scale.
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Moissanite.
It comes in many colors such as Amethyst, can easily test like a diamond in jewelry stores, and is very scratch resistant as it's 9.25 on the mohs scale.
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Moissanite is double refractive. This is not
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Agree with @yssie If they can’t afford to send the stone to GIA, you can offer to do it.
It definitely is fun, I agree!
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I got the impression you didn't see the stone under good lighting so you may very well be wrong.
Either way though- this sounds like a con. anyone that has a 2ct pink diamond is not too broke to send it to get verified. any jeweler would be more than happy to help, and most would do it for free.
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2 carat purple pink emerald cut diamond that's clean?
They can probably get way more money selling it on Christies!
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As others have said, the chances of the stone being a natural purple diamond are basically zilch.
A true purple coloured diamond is incredibly rare. Diamonds in the pink / purple / red tones are only found, very very rarely, in a few places on earth. It requires unusual and specific conditions for that colour to be generated in the crystal matrix during growth. In the case of purple diamonds its the presence of very high levels of hydrogen.
Of course with modern developments, a purple colour (amongst other colours) can be imparted into diamonds aka colour enhanced diamonds. This is basically a colour “coating” that creates a “coloured diamond”.
And if the stone is basically flawless, you are adding an even greater rarity into the mix.
A 2 odd carat virtually flawless evenly purple coloured diamond offered for sale yet the owner “can’t afford to get certification”?
We are talking a diamond worth over $1,000,000 - yes, that much and yet the owner can’t / won’t pay a few hundred dollars for a lab report!
My guess is that it’s merely synthetic corundum. That has a hardness of 9 and will “pass” any “scratch test”. BTW scratch testing is not recommended, ever, and is never diagnostic.
A true purple coloured diamond is incredibly rare. Diamonds in the pink / purple / red tones are only found, very very rarely, in a few places on earth. It requires unusual and specific conditions for that colour to be generated in the crystal matrix during growth. In the case of purple diamonds its the presence of very high levels of hydrogen.
Of course with modern developments, a purple colour (amongst other colours) can be imparted into diamonds aka colour enhanced diamonds. This is basically a colour “coating” that creates a “coloured diamond”.
And if the stone is basically flawless, you are adding an even greater rarity into the mix.
A 2 odd carat virtually flawless evenly purple coloured diamond offered for sale yet the owner “can’t afford to get certification”?
We are talking a diamond worth over $1,000,000 - yes, that much and yet the owner can’t / won’t pay a few hundred dollars for a lab report!
My guess is that it’s merely synthetic corundum. That has a hardness of 9 and will “pass” any “scratch test”. BTW scratch testing is not recommended, ever, and is never diagnostic.
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Overall, the general consensus from fellow Pricescopers is……
no, it’s not a diamond and that’s for many different reasons.
In the absence of a lab report, the best test with minimal equipment would be specific gravity.
The SG of diamond is 3.72 whereas Sapphire is 3.95/ 4.02 and Moissanite is only 3.22.
The other reliable test would be refractive index, though this requires the appropriate equipment.
Diamond is 2.417 - 2.419 whereas Sapphire is 1.76 - 1.77 and Moissanite is 2.65 - 2.69.
An electronic tester, especially the type with the green and red lights up the side and/or a tungsten scribe cannot be relied upon to be accurate and to conclusively identify anything.
no, it’s not a diamond and that’s for many different reasons.
In the absence of a lab report, the best test with minimal equipment would be specific gravity.
The SG of diamond is 3.72 whereas Sapphire is 3.95/ 4.02 and Moissanite is only 3.22.
The other reliable test would be refractive index, though this requires the appropriate equipment.
Diamond is 2.417 - 2.419 whereas Sapphire is 1.76 - 1.77 and Moissanite is 2.65 - 2.69.
An electronic tester, especially the type with the green and red lights up the side and/or a tungsten scribe cannot be relied upon to be accurate and to conclusively identify anything.
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Sorry and some additional information on gems that are doubly refractive.
Yes, both sapphire and Moissanite are doubly refractive gems however they are generally cut on the optical axis to ensure the light path doesn’t split into two rays and thus performs as singularly refractive.
so if you are looking directly down on a sapphire (or Moissanite if optimally cut) you won’t see any doubling of the facets. And with an emerald cut, even less likely to see any doubling of facets.
Yes, both sapphire and Moissanite are doubly refractive gems however they are generally cut on the optical axis to ensure the light path doesn’t split into two rays and thus performs as singularly refractive.
so if you are looking directly down on a sapphire (or Moissanite if optimally cut) you won’t see any doubling of the facets. And with an emerald cut, even less likely to see any doubling of facets.
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You saw this? In the dark?
I went to see it in the daylight. Measured again and may have measured depth incorrectly first time. This time I measured 4.1mm. I took pictures of it, but terrible pictures. Anyway under a Chelsea filter it is bright red. Under UV light it appears green. Like olive green.
I really appreciate everyone's replies. I can't speak for the owner of the stone, but not all people who inherit a stone can afford to have it certified. Many can barely make it day to day, like this person. And this person trusts no one. The owner believes to own a diamond. It could be a sapphire for all I know. I understand that birefringence of sapphire is low and it may or may not be scratched by tungsten. So, I invited owner to come to my city to find out what it is, have RI checked etc. But as I said, owner doesn't trust anyone, and that's ok. Imagine being this person, knowing for certain it is a diamond. (EVEN IF IT ISN'T).
Person fears kidnapping. Wants identity hidden. This is their truth in their mind. So this is the end of the story, unless owner changes mind, but I'm not pushing it either. Thanks all who were kind enough to answer, even those who were not kind.
I really appreciate everyone's replies. I can't speak for the owner of the stone, but not all people who inherit a stone can afford to have it certified. Many can barely make it day to day, like this person. And this person trusts no one. The owner believes to own a diamond. It could be a sapphire for all I know. I understand that birefringence of sapphire is low and it may or may not be scratched by tungsten. So, I invited owner to come to my city to find out what it is, have RI checked etc. But as I said, owner doesn't trust anyone, and that's ok. Imagine being this person, knowing for certain it is a diamond. (EVEN IF IT ISN'T).
Person fears kidnapping. Wants identity hidden. This is their truth in their mind. So this is the end of the story, unless owner changes mind, but I'm not pushing it either. Thanks all who were kind enough to answer, even those who were not kind.
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This person sounds quite thoroughly delusional, I’m sorry to say. Someone who believes he or she is holding an impossibly valuable treasure is not someone who would rationally allow someone else to potentially scratch or chip it! I’m glad your association with him or her has come to an end as nothing good was going to come out of this for you.
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What she said.
I told the owner that I did not believe it to be a diamond. I was not prepared, and I am not knowledgeable about purple diamonds. I told the owner that I would purchase it if I was sure it was a diamond. I'm leaning more into the not a diamond. Because the measurements aren't right. But my caliper is not a good one and every time gave different measurements. When owner took them, they were more in the diamond range. I tried to improvise a specific gravity test, with what I had. I couldn't measure anything properly, because it was improvised. Also the stone being so lightweight, I need a more precise scale, which I didn't have. Thank you for your comments.
I told the owner that I did not believe it to be a diamond. I was not prepared, and I am not knowledgeable about purple diamonds. I told the owner that I would purchase it if I was sure it was a diamond. I'm leaning more into the not a diamond. Because the measurements aren't right. But my caliper is not a good one and every time gave different measurements. When owner took them, they were more in the diamond range. I tried to improvise a specific gravity test, with what I had. I couldn't measure anything properly, because it was improvised. Also the stone being so lightweight, I need a more precise scale, which I didn't have. Thank you for your comments.
It looks very modern to my (untrained) eye. I doubt it‘s an old inherited stone. This story is just plain weird but then there is nothing impossible. What I‘d do: accompany the owner to a reputable jeweller and have them have a look at it. I’d even offer to pay for that. It doesn’t always have to be GIA right away. Whatever the jeweller says, GIA can still follow.
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Well if you can’t ascertain exactly what type of gem it is, it’s a definite risk to buy it.
If the owner thinks it’s a diamond I presume he’s asking a lot of money.
Unless and until the gem is professionally assessed it can’t be accurately valued so who knows if say $50,000 is the bargain of the century or a HUGE and very very expensive mistake.
If the owner badly needs money and wants to sell it, who is going to pay a good price for an unknown gem?
The owner should understand that to get the best price, perhaps to even get someone willing to buy it, he must get it assessed.
If the owner thinks it’s a diamond I presume he’s asking a lot of money.
Unless and until the gem is professionally assessed it can’t be accurately valued so who knows if say $50,000 is the bargain of the century or a HUGE and very very expensive mistake.
If the owner badly needs money and wants to sell it, who is going to pay a good price for an unknown gem?
The owner should understand that to get the best price, perhaps to even get someone willing to buy it, he must get it assessed.
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Can I ask how you came to be in contact with the owner of this stone and to be running tests on it for purchase? Presumably, if the seller is as suspicious and untrusting as you say, then you are already known to each other? Otherwise how did you hear of its potential sale and contact the owner? Based on what you've said about them being ultra wary they are unlikely to have listed the stone for sale in the local classified ads! Why trust you as a potential purchaser (and meet you in a dingy cafe at night) but be suspicious of everyone else who may be involved in the process?
If you already know each other, that must help inform both your decision about whether the seller is trustworthy and also their decision to trust you with regards to the range of tests you'd like to perform on the stone? And why do you care what the stone is; if you've got funds sufficient to buy it if it is a 2ct purple diamond, then hire specialists to test the darned thing and don't be asking questions on an internet forum of people who can't see the stone. If you haven't the funds to buy it if it turns out to be what the seller claims, then why on earth do you care what it is?!
None of this makes any sense, which often equates to it being bull**** in my experience... Apologies if I've missed something and have been unnecessarily harsh, but I don't believe that's the case.
If you already know each other, that must help inform both your decision about whether the seller is trustworthy and also their decision to trust you with regards to the range of tests you'd like to perform on the stone? And why do you care what the stone is; if you've got funds sufficient to buy it if it is a 2ct purple diamond, then hire specialists to test the darned thing and don't be asking questions on an internet forum of people who can't see the stone. If you haven't the funds to buy it if it turns out to be what the seller claims, then why on earth do you care what it is?!
None of this makes any sense, which often equates to it being bull**** in my experience... Apologies if I've missed something and have been unnecessarily harsh, but I don't believe that's the case.
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Stop. Think for a moment. This person won't have a stone verified, fears kidnapping, but met you in a cafe, at night, to show you this supposedly exceedingly expensive piece which they then handed to you, unsecured, to allow you to scratch it and inspect it? a situation absolutely ripe with the possibility of theft or at the very least, other unrelated witnesses getting sight of this supposed deal going down?
there have been pieces I have been shown in a seller's own office, in a secured building, by someone who specifically has insurance covering the holding and sale of high value diamonds - and even then, the stone never left their control.
Pause and remove the blinders and see how improbable this situation is, far beyond explainable by saying someone is just eccentric.
there have been pieces I have been shown in a seller's own office, in a secured building, by someone who specifically has insurance covering the holding and sale of high value diamonds - and even then, the stone never left their control.
Pause and remove the blinders and see how improbable this situation is, far beyond explainable by saying someone is just eccentric.
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