Antique purple pink diamond

[lissyflo]

My fear with this thread is less that the OP will be scammed and more that the knowledge/terminology/testing info provided on a platter for them here will enable them to better idiot-fish when selling on their own ‘purple diamond’. But I’m a cynical, suspicious old cow, so…

 

[AprilBaby]

How much do they want for this treasure?

 

[Rockdiamond]

Just give me the address where to send the check...actually no...I'll just send a box full of Benjamins


@Ercealan - in all seriousness, you've gotten so many great replies...thank you for posting this.....it's been interesting!!

 

[Inked]

I hate when the one thing i am actually trying to take a pic of is blurry! Have to move to get in focus! It's a pretty color. This is a fun thread! I would love to find a treasure on ebay or craigslist, how much are they asking for it?

 

[Ercealan]

Can I ask how you came to be in contact with the owner of this stone and to be running tests on it for purchase? Presumably, if the seller is as suspicious and untrusting as you say, then you are already known to each other? Otherwise how did you hear of its potential sale and contact the owner? Based on what you've said about them being ultra wary they are unlikely to have listed the stone for sale in the local classified ads! Why trust you as a potential purchaser (and meet you in a dingy cafe at night) but be suspicious of everyone else who may be involved in the process?

If you already know each other, that must help inform both your decision about whether the seller is trustworthy and also their decision to trust you with regards to the range of tests you'd like to perform on the stone? And why do you care what the stone is; if you've got funds sufficient to buy it if it is a 2ct purple diamond, then hire specialists to test the darned thing and don't be asking questions on an internet forum of people who can't see the stone. If you haven't the funds to buy it if it turns out to be what the seller claims, then why on earth do you care what it is?!

None of this makes any sense, which often equates to it being bull**** in my experience... Apologies if I've missed something and have been unnecessarily harsh, but I don't believe that's the case.

 

[Ercealan]

First of all, let me clarify it was not a dingy café, but a real nice one, just with no inside seating because of COVID. And I never claimed to have/have not the funds to purchase this. But I will say that I don't throw money away either. As to why the seller is wary, yet I came to know about it? I totally agree with you on this. It makes no sense to me. But what I do know is that seller does not want anyone that knows THEM to know that they possess a "diamond". As to why I care? Well, I believe knowledge is power. I lose nothing and I actually have fun. And I am not offended by anything said here, btw.

 

[Ercealan]

It looks very modern to my (untrained) eye. I doubt it‘s an old inherited stone. This story is just plain weird but then there is nothing impossible. What I‘d do: accompany the owner to a reputable jeweller and have them have a look at it. I’d even offer to pay for that. It doesn’t always have to be GIA right away. Whatever the jeweller says, GIA can still follow.

This is what they told me: they did take it to a jewelry center. I assume that they asked to test it for a diamond, for this is what they think. Jeweler tested with diamond tester only, and said that the tester was wrong. So jeweler calibrated tester with a known diamond and retested. Again positive. If jeweler did any tests other than this I do not know. They also took it to a pawn shop, where it also tested positive. They did not tell me nor did I ask if they were offered any money. They told me they were scared after one of these encounters because they felt they were being followed. I did ask why they unmounted the stone, and was told because they sold the gold. This is a picture they gave me of the hallmarks on the ring.

 

[Roselina]

This is what they told me: they did take it to a jewelry center. I assume that they asked to test it for a diamond, for this is what they think. Jeweler tested with diamond tester only, and said that the tester was wrong. So jeweler calibrated tester with a known diamond and retested. Again positive. If jeweler did any tests other than this I do not know. They also took it to a pawn shop, where it also tested positive. They did not tell me nor did I ask if they were offered any money. They told me they were scared after one of these encounters because they felt they were being followed. I did ask why they unmounted the stone, and was told because they sold the gold. This is a picture they gave me of the hallmarks on the ring.

That‘s the point. They told you. They can tell you anything. If they are not willing to provide a cert from a reputable professional, I‘d juste leave it at that. Again, in my eyes, the stone does not look like it has been around for generations. And the setting could be any setting - besides that the picture is blurry.

 

[LilAlex]

Not quite sure who's doing the selling on this thread...

 

[CalliopeCladdagh]

How did you find this stone for sale?

Do you have any more pictures?

Did you suggest getting the stone officially certified?

How much are they asking?

 

[seaurchin]

If you recall, it looks like you had a similar conversation here a few years ago? A couple of the replies were from jewelers, and it looks like they said there too that sending it to GIA was the best way to know for sure what it is.

How are fancy yellow colored diamonds graded?

Hi there. I have a fancy diamond. It isn't color coated, as it has not been able to scratch with a tungsten scriber. Under UV light, it shows a strong to very strong yellow fluorescence, not chalky, just plain yellow. I have looked to compare at jamesallen, but I look at their pictures, and it...

www.pricescope.com

 

[Ercealan]

I really don't remember exactly what my inquiry was about then. But you do, as you are looking up my past posts. But what I do know, is that I was the owner of fancy yellow diamond. It was in my possession. Since then sold without certification. So I really don't see any similarity between this post or that one many years ago. Or why are you asking? Or what does one have to do with another?

 

[Ercealan]

How did you find this stone for sale?
I can't tell you
Do you have any more pictures?
Lousy ones only
Did you suggest getting the stone officially certified?
No, I suggested getting an RI of stone, to determine what it is exactly.
How much are they asking? For me, a lot for an unidentified stone.

 

[Ercealan]

That‘s the point. They told you. They can tell you anything. If they are not willing to provide a cert from a reputable professional, I‘d juste leave it at that. Again, in my eyes, the stone does not look like it has been around for generations. And the setting could be any setting - besides that the picture is blurry.

I am not persuing this anymore. Just answering some of your questions. The stone does show light abrasions on some facets. And it is heavily abraded along both short sides of the girdle of the "rectangle". It almost seems to me like the girdle on those sides is unpolished.

 

[yssie]

I really don't remember exactly what my inquiry was about then. But you do, as you are looking up my past posts. But what I do know, is that I was the owner of fancy yellow diamond. It was in my possession. Since then sold without certification. So I really don't see any similarity between this post or that one many years ago. Or why are you asking? Or what does one have to do with another?

Well, two tradepeople explicitly advised against scratching random stones and explained why, and yet here you are supposedly doing exactly the same thing to a supposedly potentially multi-million dollar stone… So at the very least we know that any advice we give will fall on deaf ears.

And why do you insist on playing coy with the supposed asking price?

The more I read the more I think @lissyflo is spot on - this thread does indeed reek of idiot-fishing.

 

[blingmeupscotty]

Okay..before this turns into a dumpster fire.. there is 0 way to determine what the stone is without a lab testing the stone. This is not to promote an argument online on what you think you may or may not have found. If you found the holy grail of deals great, snatch it up get it lab tested yourself and retire on an island somewhere with your investment bravo! If not, save your money and look elsewhere for a one in a million diamond.

That's all we're saying.. not one person here is going to say with certainty oh perform x test or y test and it's 100% a diamond IF. No one can do that over the internet. What they are trying to do is prevent you from being swindled out of your money.

But it's your money and I wish you luck!

I believe the theme of the original post is called gaslighting. Hence..^^^. Have a great day everyone <3

 

[seaurchin]

I really don't remember exactly what my inquiry was about then. But you do, as you are looking up my past posts. But what I do know, is that I was the owner of fancy yellow diamond. It was in my possession. Since then sold without certification. So I really don't see any similarity between this post or that one many years ago. Or why are you asking? Or what does one have to do with another?

I've been on this forum for awhile so I'm more concerned about the others here than if you like my posting a link to your similar thread from a few years ago.

Also, this is the second mysterious, fancy colored family diamond without papers situation that you've dealt with? Yet both times you seem to reject the obvious solution of sending these potentially extremely valuable stones to GIA for definite and official identification. You seem to only want to discuss do-it-yourself testing procedures and vague special circumstances that don't make a lot of sense instead. It's not at all the expected thing, twice now. It all has an "under the table" vibe to it that is what people are reacting to.

Why?

 

[CalliopeCladdagh]

You can't tell us how you found out about the stone for sale? Can you explain why?

I for one would love to see more pictures, from the blurry one you posted it looks like a lovely colour, whatever it is. It would be interesting to find out what it is. Unfortunately this thread is so mysterious you're not giving people any way to help you.

 

[seaurchin]

You can't tell us how you found out about the stone for sale? Can you explain why?

I for one would love to see more pictures, from the blurry one you posted it looks like a lovely colour, whatever it is. It would be interesting to find out what it is. Unfortunately this thread is so mysterious you're not giving people any way to help you.

ITA. I just find this scenario confusing. I don't want to accuse someone of anything but I don't want to participate in anything shady either.

 

[Ercealan]

Well, two tradepeople explicitly advised against scratching random stones and explained why, and yet here you are supposedly doing exactly the same thing to a supposedly potentially multi-million dollar stone… So at the very least we know that any advice we give will fall on deaf ears.

And why do you insist on playing coy with the supposed asking price?

The more I read the more I think @lissyflo is spot on - this thread does indeed reek of idiot-fishing.

The asking price isn't relevant to my inicial inquiry, and the reason for not stating.

 

[CalliopeCladdagh]

I was curious about their asking price because I thought it would help indicate whether they actually think it's a diamond or not.
Which then might also help give a clue as to whether they've had it tested or have more knowledge about it's origins.

 

[Ercealan]

ITA. I just find this scenario confusing. I don't want to accuse someone of anything but I don't want to participate in anything shady either.

You can't tell us how you found out about the stone for sale? Can you explain why?

I for one would love to see more pictures, from the blurry one you posted it looks like a lovely colour, whatever it is. It would be interesting to find out what it is. Unfortunately this thread is so mysterious you're not giving people any way to help you.

I can't give any more info, not because I don't want to, but because there isn't any more info. And my pics were not good. People want to know where I came about it, how much they're asking, and that is not relevant to it's ID, the reason I'm not answering.

 

[LemonMoonLex]

Is it just me or do the two pictures on the last page before look totally different, like the stones look like totally different faceted cuts?

The olive green stoned picture and the one that is more pastel lilac, they look different. The green looks native cut and the lilac is sharper, more angular, has more facets.

Just me?

(Also pls excuse grammar & punctuation. I'm sleepy & delusional & this was THE strangest thread for me to read right now! )

 

[Ercealan]

I was curious about their asking price because I thought it would help indicate whether they actually think it's a diamond or not.
Which then might also help give a clue as to whether they've had it tested or have more knowledge about it's origins.

They were certain to possess a diamond. I think they performed many tests themselves, none scientific, more of the like if you Google how to test a diamond by yourself . There measurements with my caliper was more close to diamond. My measurements were less than theirs and leaned toward sapphire. My caliper was not well calibrated. I have yet to measure a GIA diamond I do have to see how much my caliper is/was off. On my scale, I weighed a known 10 gram weight and it was correct. So the stone weighed 2 ct. My scale measures to the hundredth decimal place, so that must be considered. They looked like they needed the money, I don't think they dressed down for me. I doubt they paid anyone. If they had, they would have taken me to that person and shown me the instruments they used to test positively for diamond. They would have sold it to me . They say it was an inheritance from living 85 yr grandma. They say it was grandma's grandma's mom. Or something like that. Many grannies! And they have been told since forever it was a diamond. This is what they say and cannot be proved. If I had bought it, at least I would have asked of a photograph of someone wearing the ring long ago. (To rule out lab). But, my measurements weren't diamond, so did not buy. They were asking price of diamond, not sapphire. Sometimes a diamond cutter sacrifices cut for weight. This emerald cut had 16 less facets. Two sides of girdle seemed unpolished or heavily worn. Two sides were polished. Some facets showed abrading. Not heavily abraded, just a bit. They also showed picture of another inherited Sapphire ring. This ring had lots of nicks and abrading of facets. I sell jewelry, so I can't think of a ring where the short sides are opened, if the abrading/unpolished happened because of use, and the longer sides of girdle were free of nicks. That I wondered when I came home. I still do haha. Was going to offer a dichroscope for free, but not answering my messages anymore. Has probably sold it, and I am so curious as what was found out since I saw them last.

 

[Ercealan]

Is it just me or do the two pictures on the last page before look totally different, like the stones look like totally different faceted cuts?

The olive green stoned picture and the one that is more pastel lilac, they look different. The green looks native cut and the lilac is sharper, more angular, has more facets.

Just me?

(Also pls excuse grammar & punctuation. I'm sleepy & delusional & this was THE strangest thread for me to read right now! )

It's the same stone. Lousy pictures were taken by me. It seemed my camera focused better when taking it under uv light. The emerald cut has 16 less facets, 8 less on top and 8 less on pavilion.

 

[yssie]

I sell jewelry

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[musicloveranthony]

Why are you so resistant to the ONLY solution to this situation (certification)?

 

[Mrsz1ppy]

No one can be conned without their permission.

 

[lissyflo]

No one can be conned without their permission.

Caveat emptor always applies and everyone is responsible for their own due diligence, but if a seller is deliberately misinforming I know where my sympathies would lie. Your value judgements may be different but that doesn’t make misinformation okay - fraud is a crime for a reason after all and it’s the seller who commits fraud, not the buyer!

(These comments are related directly to the post I quoted as hypothetical, as the original thread here isn’t a selling thread. The vagueness does make me uncomfortable as to why the information is being researched, however.)

 

[lalala]

I have a rare stone for sale just for the OP, roughly 7 figures if you can scratch it and identify it; I’ll sell it for $999,999. Steal of a deal. It’s purple/pink with a touch of orange/yellow.. might be some blue. The rarest of them all!