Antique style cushion

[rearadmiral]

Also, should I be using the HCA tool for a stone like this?

 

[pandabee]

Also, should I be using the HCA tool for a stone like this?

Not at all. Cushions don't go by numbers but by image. HCA is best for modern round stones.

 

[rearadmiral]

Also, should I be using the HCA tool for a stone like this?

Not at all. Cushions don't go by numbers but by image. HCA is best for modern round stones.

Okay. All that is left is finding out why this particular stone is egl USA while their other old miners are gia. Something to be worried about?

 

[pandabee]

Also, should I be using the HCA tool for a stone like this?

Not at all. Cushions don't go by numbers but by image. HCA is best for modern round stones.

Okay. All that is left is finding out why this particular stone is egl USA while their other old miners are gia. Something to be worried about?

Nope. Many old stones are graded EGL-USA. I can't tell you the reasoning exactly so someone else may chime in, but from what I understand it just isn't cost effective to have a vendor get an old stone graded GIA as well unless there was no previous lab cert so they needed to get it graded by someone to begin with.

 

[ariel144]

Also, should I be using the HCA tool for a stone like this?

No, HCA tool only applies to Modern Round Brilliants, not old cuts or fancy cuts.

 

[ariel144]

here's what you can do with an OMB...LOL! Note the O/P color...like OMG!:

[URL='https://www.pricescope.com/forum/show-me-the-ring/rdg-setting-4-09ct-omc-pink-diamonds-and-a-double-halo-t171273-150.html']https://www.pricescope.com/forum/show-me-the-ring/rdg-setting-4-09ct-omc-pink-diamonds-and-a-double-halo-t171273-150.html[/URL]

[URL='https://www.pricescope.com/forum/show-me-the-ring/rdg-setting-4-09ct-omc-pink-diamonds-and-a-double-halo-t171273-240.html']https://www.pricescope.com/forum/show-me-the-ring/rdg-setting-4-09ct-omc-pink-diamonds-and-a-double-halo-t171273-240.html[/URL]

[URL='https://www.pricescope.com/forum/show-me-the-ring/rdg-setting-4-09ct-omc-pink-diamonds-and-a-double-halo-t171273.html']https://www.pricescope.com/forum/show-me-the-ring/rdg-setting-4-09ct-omc-pink-diamonds-and-a-double-halo-t171273.html[/URL]

Wow that is really fantastic. As well as the other halo you posted earlier. I'm now very excited to see this OMC stone in person to see how pretty it looks. I'm wondering what kind of settings I could get for ~2k now...

I'm not all that familiar with settings. When you decide on a stone you should post another thread asking for suggestions for halos...then the setting experts can recommend those that are in your budget. If you get the stone from Excel they can help you too and then do it all in one place.

 

[rearadmiral]

Also, should I be using the HCA tool for a stone like this?

Not at all. Cushions don't go by numbers but by image. HCA is best for modern round stones.

Okay. All that is left is finding out why this particular stone is egl USA while their other old miners are gia. Something to be worried about?

Nope. Many old stones are graded EGL-USA. I can't tell you the reasoning exactly so someone else may chime in, but from what I understand it just isn't cost effective to have a vendor get an old stone graded GIA as well unless there was no previous lab cert so they needed to get it graded by someone to begin with.

Okay, it is just odd because excel's other old miners have via certs.

 

[ariel144]

Also, should I be using the HCA tool for a stone like this?

Not at all. Cushions don't go by numbers but by image. HCA is best for modern round stones.

Okay. All that is left is finding out why this particular stone is egl USA while their other old miners are gia. Something to be worried about?

Nope. Many old stones are graded EGL-USA. I can't tell you the reasoning exactly so someone else may chime in, but from what I understand it just isn't cost effective to have a vendor get an old stone graded GIA as well unless there was no previous lab cert so they needed to get it graded by someone to begin with.

Okay, it is just odd because excel's other old miners have via certs.

Another reason for EGL certs on old cuts is that GIA sometimes grades them as Round Brilliants and won't designate they are old cuts. so the appraisal will inevitably be less and the insurance not high enough to replace, or something to that effect. There was a thread discussion about this a while back where insurance issues were discussed but can't recall exactly.

 

[rearadmiral]

Also, should I be using the HCA tool for a stone like this?

Not at all. Cushions don't go by numbers but by image. HCA is best for modern round stones.

Okay. All that is left is finding out why this particular stone is egl USA while their other old miners are gia. Something to be worried about?

Nope. Many old stones are graded EGL-USA. I can't tell you the reasoning exactly so someone else may chime in, but from what I understand it just isn't cost effective to have a vendor get an old stone graded GIA as well unless there was no previous lab cert so they needed to get it graded by someone to begin with.

Okay, it is just odd because excel's other old miners have via certs.

Another reason for EGL certs on old cuts is that GIA sometimes grades them as Round Brilliants and won't designate they are old cuts. so the appraisal will inevitably be less and the insurance not high enough to replace, or something to that effect. There was a thread discussion about this a while back where insurance issues were discussed but can't recall exactly.

Hmm interesting. I guess I'll have to see what the story is when I see the stone.

 

[CharmyPoo]

large cushion brilliant

http://jamesallen.com/#!/loose-diamonds/cushion-cut/1.18-carat-I-color-VS2-clarity-sku-82347

Wow. This is a gorgoeus diamond.

 

[rearadmiral]

Well I am headed to the diamond district tomorrow to check out the 1.46 as well as some other stones. I expect to have the comparison from JA regarded those 3 stones as well in the next day or two. Any recommendations while I am in the city? I'll be bringing my point and shoot as well.

 

[ariel144]

you might visit Old World diamonds and Good old gold too....I think Engagement Rings Direct is in NY as well

 

[rearadmiral]

you might visit Old World diamonds and Good old gold too....I think Engagement Rings Direct is in NY as well

Well GoG is in Long island and I don't really have time to go there. I'll try to check out old world diamonds/erd if I have time.

Thanksfully I live close enough to NYC that I can go when I like.

 

[CharmyPoo]

This is who I would go to ...
Perry Chen at Art of Platinum (Leon Mege)
Mark/Chris at Engagement Rings Direct
Adam at Old World Diamonds

There are two antique stalls beside the door to the Leon Mege building. I find them to be honest and they have some nice pieces. There is one ring that I love to visit all the time. Always happy that it isn't sold yet even though I won't be buying it now.

 

[rearadmiral]

Well I can't seem to upload pictures now. I went to visit the 1.46 from excel and some of the cut beyonds from ERD. The 1.46 looked okay in person. There were some chips out of the girdle of the stone. Which I had to point out, they weren't pointed out to me. I could definitely see some color in the stone. It was definitely pretty big though. The cut beyonds are just beautiful though. I'll try to upload pictures later.

 

[rearadmiral]

Here are some pics, with some help from my mom's hand.

 

[rearadmiral]

Some more:

 

[rearadmiral]

JA called. The E SI1 is what they would call eye clean and it has the largest facets. They said only a well trained eye can see it. Otherwise they are all great performers.

 

[ariel144]

If all you can say for the 1.46 is that "it is big"...then I doubt if it is the stone. Hard to tell about the performance from those pictures.

I loved the E SI1 so hope it is a great performing stone compared to the other 2 ...did they ask the gemologist for his opinion on the 3 stones? Will be interesting to see the ASETs on those 3.

 

[rearadmiral]

If all you can say for the 1.46 is that "it is big"...then I doubt if it is the stone. Hard to tell about the performance from those pictures.

I loved the E SI1 so hope it is a great performing stone compared to the other 2 ...did they ask the gemologist for his opinion on the 3 stones? Will be interesting to see the ASETs on those 3.

Unfortunately I don't think it is the stone for me. The opinion was that all 3 were great and so comparable in performance that they didn't want to rank them. The E SI1 has the largest facets though, they did tell me that. I didn't hear about ASETs and it slipped my mind. Ugh. I shot my rep an email about them just now.

I was actually interested in this stone as well:

http://jamesallen.com/#!/loose-diamonds/cushion-cut/1.18-carat-I-color-VS2-clarity-sku-82347

but it looks like someone might have scooped it up. They wouldn't tell me if it was sold or just on hold.

 

[rearadmiral]

http://jamesallen.com/#!/loose-diamonds/cushion-cut/1.01-carat-E-color-SI1-clarity-sku-30101

http://jamesallen.com/#!/loose-diamonds/cushion-cut/1.00-carat-D-color-VS1-clarity-sku-128553

http://jamesallen.com/#!/loose-diamonds/cushion-cut/1.00-carat-H-color-VVS1-clarity-sku-179059

 

[ariel144]

No doubt about it the E SI1 is the best ASET....not only is it the best but it is an awesome ASET for a cushion IMO. I would put that stone on hold ASAP. See how much red under the crown and all around the edges?

#2 too much green and black under the table

#3 too much black under the table.

If you decide to put the E SI1 on hold you need to start a new thread and get more opinions from other long time PSrs on these 3 ASETS.

I doubt if the sales person is allowed to give their opinion on which stone is the best, but I do believe that the gemologist will give an opinion.

I thought she wanted an elongated cushion, so why is the E SI1 not a good choice? I'm a little confused. If you check the ASETS on GOG's custom cut cushions you will see an abundance of overall red on the ASETS. This shows a superior performing stone.

 

[rearadmiral]

No doubt about it the E SI1 is the best ASET....not only is it the best but it is an awesome ASET for a cushion IMO. I would put that stone on hold ASAP. See how much red under the crown and all around the edges?

#2 too much green and black under the table

#3 too much black under the table.

If you decide to put the E SI1 on hold you need to start a new thread and get more opinions from other long time PSrs on these 3 ASETS.

I doubt if the sales person is allowed to give their opinion on which stone is the best, but I do believe that the gemologist will give an opinion.

I thought she wanted an elongated cushion, so why is the E SI1 not a good choice? I'm a little confused. If you check the ASETS on GOG's custom cut cushions you will see an abundance of overall red on the ASETS. This shows a superior performing stone.

Thanks for the input. The E-SI1 is nice and elongated and it is a good choice. It is just more expensive. I think at this point it would be between that stone and these two:

http://www.engagementringsdirect.com/1.01-carat-h-si1-a-cut-beyond-cushion-cut-diamond-gid-101696.html
http://www.engagementringsdirect.com/0.92-carat-h-vs2-a-cut-beyond-cushion-cut-diamond-gid-102943.html

 

[ariel144]

yes, I like the first one from ERD better...the second one looks like it might have a slight bow tie effect. But they are both really nice and about the same size and the .9c is less expensive

Someone already reserved or purchased the E SI1

You might also check with Leon Mege

He has another OMB 1c H SI1 that is more elongated...no videos or aset but I know that he only chooses really nice antique cut stones...he also might have something else that is not even posted...he has access to a lot of stones.

http://www.micropave.com/index.php/loose-diamonds/1-01-carat-antique-cushion-cut-diamond-h-si-1-color-clarity-by-leon-mege.html

 

[rearadmiral]

yes, I like the first one from ERD better...the second one looks like it might have a slight bow tie effect. But they are both really nice and about the same size and the .9c is less expensive

Someone already reserved or purchased the E SI1

You might also check with Leon Mege

He has another OMB 1c H SI1 that is more elongated...no videos or aset but I know that he only chooses really nice antique cut stones...he also might have something else that is not even posted...he has access to a lot of stones.

http://www.micropave.com/index.php/loose-diamonds/1-01-carat-antique-cushion-cut-diamond-h-si-1-color-clarity-by-leon-mege.html

I currently have the 3 JA stones on hold. Mark just let me know that they actually had the E-SI1 in house and rejected it. Thanks for the Leon Mege site. We are talking about the 1.01 as well. It seems like the leader at this point.

 

[JulieN]

I'm going to promote this one again: http://jamesallen.com/#!/loose-diamonds/cushion-cut/0.86-carat-E-color-VS1-clarity-sku-163923
Because it is rectangular like you wanted, and the same size as the 1.01 ERD... but maybe not antique-y enough for you.

 

[ariel144]

I'm going to promote this one again: http://jamesallen.com/#!/loose-diamonds/cushion-cut/0.86-carat-E-color-VS1-clarity-sku-163923
Because it is rectangular like you wanted, and the same size as the 1.01 ERD... but maybe not antique-y enough for you.

that stone on JA is not available

 

[JulieN]

ah, it was last night. oh well.

 

[ariel144]

I'm going to promote this one again: http://jamesallen.com/#!/loose-diamonds/cushion-cut/0.86-carat-E-color-VS1-clarity-sku-163923
Because it is rectangular like you wanted, and the same size as the 1.01 ERD... but maybe not antique-y enough for you.

that stone on JA is not available

its available again,....very nice cushion.

 

[kalima]

I'm going to promote this one again: http://jamesallen.com/#!/loose-diamonds/cushion-cut/0.86-carat-E-color-VS1-clarity-sku-163923
Because it is rectangular like you wanted, and the same size as the 1.01 ERD... but maybe not antique-y enough for you.

that stone on JA is not available

its available again,....very nice cushion.

I think if you saw this on a white background backlit ASET you may not be pleased with the amount of leakage.
The lengthwise edges of this stone may have poor performance and would lead to it looking narrower and smaller than it is.