Are these French cut stones G colored?

[peppermintpatty]

Below you will see the dialogue between myself and Nala.

I am a person of my word. When I say I will respond, I meant that. Showing not just my opinions, but what both of us said. When I say a sale is final, I mean that too. I have never had one issue as a seller, not one.

As I said to you Nala, I will let Pricescopers judge us both on how this matter was addressed. I was polite to you the entire time. Each response I addressed you by name and ended what I said with a thank you and my name. I never was insulting or threatening.

I don't have a problem with a Pricescoper seeking advice from the Pricescope community. It is after all what we are all here for, get advice, share our treasures, and if we are fortunate build friendships. What I do have a problem with is only showing part of the picture, one side.

I answered you as best as I could with regard to the fact that I was not the original purchaser. That I believed the person who sold it to me sold it in good faith and is a long time Pricescoper and that I did the same. I emailed you what her description was when she sold Bailey to me. I was upfront and honest with you.

I do believe Caysie unless asked to do otherwise, use's G colored diamonds as a general rule.

Character can be determined by what a person does when they think no one is watching or listening.
I am not accustomed to being spoken to in the manner you spoke to me. I hope that you would realize in the future if a seller states final sale, that is indeed what that means.
Lastly, my Dad always told me you get more flies with honey than you do with vinegar. The way you addressed me did not help your cause.

I am glad that you were able to sell your Bailey ring quickly. I wish you the best.

 

[nala]

Updating this saga….I purchased this Band from Nala! And here are the pics with my G color OEC! It was my first time meeting a PSer in person, and we found out that we had a lot in common besides the love of bling.

I can’t say for sure that the stones in the band are G color or not, but subtle flashes from the french cuts match well with the bigger facets from my OEC, and I’m happy with how well they look together. Gratuitous Fire pics!

Omg! What a happy ending it was and such a pleasure to meet @jaysonsmom! Thank you all for your input.

 

[nala]

Below you will see the dialogue between myself and Nala.

I am a person of my word. When I say I will respond, I meant that. Showing not just my opinions, but what both of us said. When I say a sale is final, I mean that too. I have never had one issue as a seller, not one.

As I said to you Nala, I will let Pricescopers judge us both on how this matter was addressed. I was polite to you the entire time. Each response I addressed you by name and ended what I said with a thank you and my name. I never was insulting or threatening.

I don't have a problem with a Pricescoper seeking advice from the Pricescope community. It is after all what we are all here for, get advice, share our treasures, and if we are fortunate build friendships. What I do have a problem with is only showing part of the picture, one side.

I answered you as best as I could with regard to the fact that I was not the original purchaser. That I believed the person who sold it to me sold it in good faith and is a long time Pricescoper and that I did the same. I emailed you what her description was when she sold Bailey to me. I was upfront and honest with you.

I do believe Caysie unless asked to do otherwise, use's G colored diamonds as a general rule.

Character can be determined by what a person does when they think no one is watching or listening.
I am not accustomed to being spoken to in the manner you spoke to me. I hope that you would realize in the future if a seller states final sale, that is indeed what that means.
Lastly, my Dad always told me you get more flies with honey than you do with vinegar. The way you addressed me did not help your cause.

I am glad that you were able to sell your Bailey ring quickly. I wish you the best.

Not sure why you are posting our dialogue but since you feel inclined to insist that you were always polite, I will disagree. You have actually taught me a lesson not to trust PSer’s blindly bc of pricescope. You resorted to accusing me of harassing you simply because I offered to return the ring at my cost of shipping. I am unable to open your attachment so I don’t know if you included the part where you clearly refused to work with me and your tone was harsh—not polite by any means.
I stand by my first email to you. I was disappointed and now that you have posted our exchange for all to see, perhaps your future buyers will realize how you treat them if they are disappointed.

 

[peppermintpatty]

Below you will see the dialogue between myself and Nala.

I am a person of my word. When I say I will respond, I meant that. Showing not just my opinions, but what both of us said. When I say a sale is final, I mean that too. I have never had one issue as a seller, not one.

As I said to you Nala, I will let Pricescopers judge us both on how this matter was addressed. I was polite to you the entire time. Each response I addressed you by name and ended what I said with a thank you and my name. I never was insulting or threatening.

I don't have a problem with a Pricescoper seeking advice from the Pricescope community. It is after all what we are all here for, get advice, share our treasures, and if we are fortunate build friendships. What I do have a problem with is only showing part of the picture, one side.

I answered you as best as I could with regard to the fact that I was not the original purchaser. That I believed the person who sold it to me sold it in good faith and is a long time Pricescoper and that I did the same. I emailed you what her description was when she sold Bailey to me. I was upfront and honest with you.

I do believe Caysie unless asked to do otherwise, use's G colored diamonds as a general rule.

Character can be determined by what a person does when they think no one is watching or listening.
I am not accustomed to being spoken to in the manner you spoke to me. I hope that you would realize in the future if a seller states final sale, that is indeed what that means.
Lastly, my Dad always told me you get more flies with honey than you do with vinegar. The way you addressed me did not help your cause.

I am glad that you were able to sell your Bailey ring quickly. I wish you the best.

Here is the emails between Nala and I that did not show up in my previous post.

Hi Patty. I received the ring today and am disappointed because the diamonds are nowhere near G color. They appear very tinted. Would you be willing to accept a return?


Thanks,








I just emailed you the description from the_mother_thing. That is who I purchased the Bailey ring from in March of this year. As you can see she states she purchased this ring being told the diamonds are G in color. I stated they were G in color based on what color it was sold to me as. I did not misrepresent this ring. I believe them to be G as sold to me. I state in all of my listings that all sales are final. I am a private seller. I do not do refunds.





Thank you,


Patty





Ok. I’ll just post this discrepancy on pricescope to warn future buyers. I think it’s only fair.





I want to add that this post will probably derail into a CVB quality issue and who knows what else. As a pricescoper I am shocked that you could not distinguish a G from an M color.





Please feel free to do so. I showed you how it is described in the sale to me. I described it the same as the_mother_thing described because we both must have felt they were G color. I stated clearly that all sales are final. I have sold a number of pieces of jewelry on Pricescope/Loupetroop without one complaint. So as I said you can post your discrepancy. I will post my response. People will judge for themselves what they want about you and me. I did not lie, I did not misrepresent, I stated all sales are final.





Thank you,


Patty


I have said what I have to say. I would prefer you not email me with insults and threats. Please refrain from emailing me again. Do whatever you want on Pricescope. Say what you would like to say on Pricescope. I amI don’t understand why you refuse to take accountability. I would of course pay for the shipping to return it for you. If you really believe these are a G color you will easily sell it again.


confident for the 3rd time that I did not misrepresent, lie, and that I did state all sales are final.





Thank you,








Patty








This is my final response to you.





All sales are final, as was clearly stated in the listing. Nothing was misrepresented.





If you choose to text me again, Know that I will no longer be replying.





Thank you,


Patty

 

[nala]

Here is the emails between Nala and I that did not show up in my previous post.

Hi Patty. I received the ring today and am disappointed because the diamonds are nowhere near G color. They appear very tinted. Would you be willing to accept a return?


Thanks,








I just emailed you the description from the_mother_thing. That is who I purchased the Bailey ring from in March of this year. As you can see she states she purchased this ring being told the diamonds are G in color. I stated they were G in color based on what color it was sold to me as. I did not misrepresent this ring. I believe them to be G as sold to me. I state in all of my listings that all sales are final. I am a private seller. I do not do refunds.





Thank you,


Patty





Ok. I’ll just post this discrepancy on pricescope to warn future buyers. I think it’s only fair.





I want to add that this post will probably derail into a CVB quality issue and who knows what else. As a pricescoper I am shocked that you could not distinguish a G from an M color.





Please feel free to do so. I showed you how it is described in the sale to me. I described it the same as the_mother_thing described because we both must have felt they were G color. I stated clearly that all sales are final. I have sold a number of pieces of jewelry on Pricescope/Loupetroop without one complaint. So as I said you can post your discrepancy. I will post my response. People will judge for themselves what they want about you and me. I did not lie, I did not misrepresent, I stated all sales are final.





Thank you,


Patty


I have said what I have to say. I would prefer you not email me with insults and threats. Please refrain from emailing me again. Do whatever you want on Pricescope. Say what you would like to say on Pricescope. I amI don’t understand why you refuse to take accountability. I would of course pay for the shipping to return it for you. If you really believe these are a G color you will easily sell it again.


confident for the 3rd time that I did not misrepresent, lie, and that I did state all sales are final.





Thank you,








Patty








This is my final response to you.





All sales are final, as was clearly stated in the listing. Nothing was misrepresented.





If you choose to text me again, Know that I will no longer be replying.





Thank you,


Patty

You are rude. But I guess you enjoy getting the last word. And btw, you have distorted some of those emails. But whatever. Knock yourself out. I’m done.

 

[peppermintpatty]

Nala,

Please show me where I spoke harshly to you?

I say in my listings- All Sales Are Final. As do numerous other people that sell on Pricescope/Loupetroop. I don't say if you are disappointed, you can get a refund. I will say this yet again. I did not misrepresent , did not lie. I did state all sales are final.

I did show both of our email conversation. Not just one side.

In what possible way am I being rude to you?

You made it obvious in your emails your intention was to paint me out to be a dishonest seller. In the above post you are doing it yet again. I am not to be trusted according to you. I won't work with someone who is disappointed. Have I ever been disappointed in something I bought. Yes. If it states all sales are final, that's the chance I take. I understand that. I do not expect them to do a refund.

Don't worry. I will stop, I don't want to upset you Nala. I just have nothing I am uncomfortable about in our emails. I felt it was fair to have my side of the story heard. You obviously don't. Best of luck to you in the future.

 

[nala]

Nala,

Please show me where I spoke harshly to you?

I say in my listings- All Sales Are Final. As do numerous other people that sell on Pricescope/Loupetroop. I don't say if you are disappointed, you can get a refund. I will say this yet again. I did not misrepresent , did not lie. I did state all sales are final.

I did show both of our email conversation. Not just one side.

In what possible way am I being rude to you?

You made it obvious in your emails your intention was to paint me out to be a dishonest seller. In the above post you are doing it yet again. I am not to be trusted according to you. I won't work with someone who is disappointed. Have I ever been disappointed in something I bought. Yes. If it states all sales are final, that's the chance I take. I understand that. I do not expect them to do a refund.

Don't worry. I will stop, I don't want to upset you Nala. I just have nothing I am uncomfortable about in our emails. I felt it was fair to have my side of the story heard. You obviously don't. Best of luck to you in the future.

Here’s the thing. If you had offered me the opportunity to prove you wrong—such as take the band to an appraiser—so that you could refund me—then that would show your confidence in your product and your good will as a seller. But instead you kept repeating that all sales are final. That is what was harsh. Your inability to try to resolve the problem. You were quick to resort to accusations of harassment—perhaps that is what you always rely on bc clearly that was your first resort. I have sold plenty of jewelry on eBay and abide by “item not as described” policy. I always work with the buyer and had you requested proof—I would have gone in that direction, but you were not amenable to addressing my concern bc you were too busy hiding behind your “policy.” You sound like a brick and mortar jeweler more than you do a member of a great community.

 

[peppermintpatty]

You just sold the item I sold you with the same description I received and I used. Stating the diamonds are a G, when you vehemently deny that fact? How does that even make sense??? How are you able to sell the Bailey ring as a G when you don't believe it is a G. That alone makes your claim disingenuous .

 

[nala]

You just sold the item I sold you with the same description I received and I used. Stating the diamonds are a G, when you vehemently deny that fact? How does that even make sense??? How are you able to sell the Bailey ring as a G when you don't believe it is a G. That alone makes your claim disingenuous .

Omg. Seriously? @jaysonsmom saw the item in person!

And again..had you worked with me and given me a chance to verify what you said—that would have made the difference between a harsh seller and a gracious one. But you still don’t get it. Sigh.

And for someone who claimed that I was harassing her after a couple of emails—you sure want to keep communicating with me now…so ironic.

 

[peppermintpatty]

Nala, I guess we are here yet again. You are not stopping your communication yet you would like to call me on the carpet because I respond. I won't again. I have spent way too much of my time on this as it is.

I will say it again- and I was far more gracious to you than you were to me- I had zero obligation to have you take that to an appraiser. What do you think final sale means? Just because I didn't do what you wanted me to do does not make me rude.

Read the results of your poll, over half thought the diamonds look like a G. Not one person thought it looked like a M. How did you say that to me ? "As a Pricescoper I would have thought you'd know the difference between a G and a M.".

I'm done. Again best of luck to you in the future. I am glad you were able to have a speedy sale and that the new owner is a happy with her purchase.

 

[yssie]

It's a beautiful band.
But this thread is ugly.
I'm reporting my own post to request moderator attention.

 

[nala]

It's a beautiful band.
But this thread is ugly.
I'm reporting my own post to request moderator attention.

I already reported it. Trust me. I am totally disgusted that it derailed into this.

 

[HS4S_2]

I didn't read through all of this post but I think it took like a G. I currently have I/K French Cuts and these look more steely than mine. I notice with French Cuts they show steel versus warmth in certain shapes. The elongated ones tend to appear that way more often than the square.

 

[adlgel]

If I were being asked to arbitrate this dispute in my opinion it comes down to how the listing described the color.

If the color was stated definitively as G with no caveats then I think it is fair for buyer to be able to attempt to disprove that and get a refund under the “item not as described” generally accepted rules of selling.

if listing effectively said that the color was unknown then I think it is fair for seller to stand by all sales final policy. Buyer could have asked additional questions to increase their comfort level with buying a final sale item.

But it sounds like in this case the description fell somewhere between those two possibilities. If the color was listed as G with some indication that seller was basing color on what was told to her vs having paperwork that confirmed color I think it would have been appropriate for seller to give buyer an opportunity to prove/disprove color and offer refund if it was not G.

Listing an item as final sale does not absolve seller of responsibility of accurately describing item, including being clear about when details of item may not be definitively known.

 

[LLJsmom]

IMO, they do not appear yellow in the pictures, but they do appear darker (possibly as a result of the bezel or the cut).

So agree with this. I think it would look "whiter" if it was less elongated. And brighter still if not fully enclosed. The setting makes a big difference.

 

[Lookinagain]

I don’t know. eBay has rules about things like this. It’s a business and you pay a fee to use it right? Does loupe troop have rules and charge a fee? I didn’t think so and I do see a difference. One site is often business people and the other seems to be for the casual seller. I would think caveat emptor would apply to loupe troop unlike eBay where recourse is part of the deal.

 

[Rfisher]

I don’t know. eBay has rules about things like this. It’s a business and you pay a fee to use it right? Does loupe troop have rules and charge a fee? I didn’t think so and I do see a difference. One site is often business people and the other seems to be for the casual seller. I would think caveat emptor would apply to loupe troop unlike eBay where recourse is part of the deal.

I agree.

also have another thought-
disregard the hurt feelings and whatever miscommunication for sake of clarity for my question

I can respect and understand the thought process/offer of unbiased third party appraisal in a situation like this.
But
If the appraisal comes to not agree with what it was sold as - then what?

OP is the 4th (all Pricescope members I think but not sure) owner of the ring.
Does the 3rd owner bear the brunt of the results solely?
Or does it then flow upstream to the 2nd and 1st owner? That sold it at a markable discount.
If the first owner believes it to be the original vendors mistake - what then is expected of the vendor?
realistically?

“what it was sold to me as” should be taken in good faith. And it should mean something that’s not a guarantee - to the buyer, I’d think?
Especially when you are buying it from someone who themselves is not the original owner.
there was never any official lab grading report from the vendor to fall back on anyways. That’s typical for a ring like this. Right?
I think if I were an LT buyer that is very critical/precise on condition or lab grading on an item - I should make that a condition of my offer to purchase. I’d give the seller the opportunity to accept or decline the responsibility.

it would be interesting to hear from the 1st owner of this ring, to find out exactly what it was sold as. But it doesn’t matter now.

I’m glad the ring is with someone who loves it for what it is.

 

[meesmom]

I agree.

also have another thought-
disregard the hurt feelings and whatever miscommunication for sake of clarity for my question

I can respect and understand the thought process/offer of unbiased third party appraisal in a situation like this.
But
If the appraisal comes to not agree with what it was sold as - then what?

OP is the 4th (all Pricescope members I think but not sure) owner of the ring.
Does the 3rd owner bear the brunt of the results solely?
Or does it then flow upstream to the 2nd and 1st owner? That sold it at a markable discount.
If the first owner believes it to be the original vendors mistake - what then is expected of the vendor?
realistically?

“what it was sold to me as” should be taken in good faith. And it should mean something that’s not a guarantee - to the buyer, I’d think?
Especially when you are buying it from someone who themselves is not the original owner.
there was never any official lab grading report from the vendor to fall back on anyways. That’s typical for a ring like this. Right?
I think if I were an LT buyer that is very critical/precise on condition or lab grading on an item - I should make that a condition of my offer to purchase. I’d give the seller the opportunity to accept or decline the responsibility.

it would be interesting to hear from the 1st owner of this ring, to find out exactly what it was sold as. But it doesn’t matter now.

I’m glad the ring is with someone who loves it for what it is.

This was exactly the message i was trying to convey through my first response. Caysie does use lower colors upon request. There could have been a miscommunication somewhere down the line if ownership (i thought OP was the 3rd owner...
if she was the 4th the chances of this are even greater!!) I think its unfortunate that this particular situation got to the point it did, but it doesnt change my opinion of anyone here. I would still buy or sell to anyone here without hesitation. This is such a wonderful place and I enjoy it too much to let one mishap change that!!!

 

[adlgel]

I don’t know. eBay has rules about things like this. It’s a business and you pay a fee to use it right? Does loupe troop have rules and charge a fee? I didn’t think so and I do see a difference. One site is often business people and the other seems to be for the casual seller. I would think caveat emptor would apply to loupe troop unlike eBay where recourse is part of the deal.

I agree that LoupeTroop may not formally have the buyer protection that a platform like eBay has. But I would hope that a Pricescope member would abide by the practice of accepting a return on the basis of a legitimate reason such as "item not as described" even on a final sale item.

 

[Lookinagain]

I agree that LoupeTroop may not formally have the buyer protection that a platform like eBay has. But I would hope that a Pricescope member would abide by the practice of accepting a return on the basis of a legitimate reason such as "item not as described" even on a final sale item.

I guess we can agree to disagree.

 

[Ella]

As both parties have had the chance to discuss their perspectives, we are closing this thread as keeping it open will not serve anyone involved.