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To Iceman, Crankydave, and Feydakin: You are right that it was insensitive and immature to think that I should not take the setting. I feel bad about it now that I have calmed down.

It''s been great to be involved in the process of choosing a stone and a setting, but at the same time I lost much sleep over it. In the beginning I didn''t even necessarily want an engagement ring, but I ended up being almost obsessed and very emotional in the process.

When I wrote my first post, I was very upset because time was running out before our trip, and my boyfriend had just told me that the jeweler had said again the same thing he had said many times in the past - that he was working on it. My paranoid tendencies got the better of me and small details that I hadn''t paid much attention before came together and I thought we were being taken advantage of:

- When we first ordered the setting, they were going to charge us the price for platinum, even though we got 18k gold; I commented on it, and he dropped the price by $100 - he said that gold prices have gone up, and if it ends up costing less, he would refund us the difference.

- When I called his store, the person working there never knew anything about my ring and told me every time that he would call me back, but he never did. Every day I ended up having to call his cell phone, which I had to do no matter how much I didn''t like that, because if he had the ring ready, I would have had to leave work early to pick it up. I didn''t mean to harass him with my calls, but every time he said "maybe tomorrow" and I just had to know so that I could arrange with my manager.

- We wanted to fax him the grading report of the stone, and I told him that I had his card and I would use the fax number listed; that number didn''t work. We called the store, and the person there confirmed the fax was not working, but did not provide an alternative. We asked if we could e-mail him, but the store said he didn''t have an e-mail address - it''s fine that he doesn''t want to be bothered with e-mails from customers, but I feel a little odd in this day and age. When I called his cell phone, he gave us another fax number, which didn''t work either. He also has a web site listed on his card, which also does''t work.

- He doesn''t do any of the actual work himself, and the setting was not a custom design, just a plain lucida style setting. Also I knew the setting was ready last week - how long does it take to set a diamond, and how difficult would have been for somebody else at the store to arrange for the stone to be set and give it to us while he was dealing with the illness of a loved one?

I know all these are small things, and from the responses to my first post I understand that things do not run as smoothly with small businesses. I really feel bad about getting so worked up about this; he has been very nice in person and I am sure he didn''t delay intentionally; just a little more communication and transparency would have helped.
 
Date: 3/24/2005 9:14
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Author: crankydave
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To the best of my knowledge, you''ve never done business with me so you couldn''t possibly know what my customer service policy is or isn''t for that matter. Bluejeans or suit? Should it matter?


Ame,


I already know your thoughts when it comes to jewelers. Your posts and PM make that perfectly clear. I''m also sorry to hear being human isn''t allowed in ''your field''.



Dave
Well considering my PM is clearly NOT bashing jewelers OR YOU, why don''t you just go ahead and post it? I do have a copy so I can verify what was ACTUALLY said. And for the record: I have made it clear that I don''t dislike all jewelers, but I am not a very forgiving person and one bad experience generally ends the business relationship. I allowed Tiffany to screw me in the eye a few times, and that taught me a very valuable lesson: don''t allow people to walk all over you-get what you paid for, and get treated well and demand problems be rectified.

I realize you are a crabby individual but are you going to act like a service professional or a 4 year old? You act as though YOUR opinions are the end-all be-all and how DARE anyone disagree with you. It''s one thing for others to write their experiences and get some disagreement, but it''s another thing to downright RAIL on someone because what you feel doesn''t mesh with what they feel.

Business is business, humanity is not always required or acceptable. Get over it, that is life.
 
Date: 3/24/2005 7:47:48 PM
Author: crankydave

FAMILY IS ALWAYS FIRST! PERIOD!
I happen to also think family comes first........and I hope this means that YOU will also put family first.

Meaning that when a customer who''s promised to pay you by XXXX date doesn''t come through because they had to spend the money on a family medical emergency instead, that you will be just as compassionate and tolerant when you have to wait a month or two for your money.

As long as you''re willing to put family first all the time -- when it suits you or when it suits the customer -- then I''m all for it.
 
Date: 3/24/2005 8:35:10 PM
Author: crankydave

Date: 3/24/2005 8:14:28 PM
Author: fire&ice
Crankydave, you clearly don''t get the expectation of perfect presentation that a consumer may have. Oh wait, you aren''t a consumer. CLEAR as a bell on that one.

Sorry, a family emergency is just that. A consumer shouldn''t be informed of such & shouldn''t be involved in it. Plain and simple = it''s his problem not his clients. Nothing wrong with perhaps giving a heads up; but, a heads up with realistic expectations & an offer to go elsewhere.

I don''t care one bit what the jeweler''s personal position is. So you really think it appropriate for a CEO to stand up to it''s board members and expect them to be sympathic to an after report of his ''absence'' = NOPE.

I shake my head and wonder whether jewlers think they are actually in business.
You clearly don''t get that ''things'' are just that, ''things''. Nor do seem to be able grasp the concept that everybody is a consumer.

Quote: I don''t care one bit what the jeweler''s personal position is.

CLEAR as bell.

Dave
Don''t for one minute suggest that I don''t get things are just that things. A e-ring or a wedding ring is not just a THING. I took my promise and my vows very seriously. The rings are SYMBOLS. Can you perhaps have some compassion that one may tie a special meaning to them?

You NEVER post from a consumer''s point of view. You RARELY even see a consumer''s point of view. Instead, we are too always try to see a consumer''s actions as to how the jeweler''s barometer is SUPPOSED to be.

And, it is very unprofessional to use a "family emergency" as an excuse. Family emergencies happen. No one is unsympathetic to that. It is how the back log of business gets handled. Whether that be the jeweler going to another source or a simple "Sorry, your ring will not be ready when promised due to a family emergency." Instead the jeweler choose to be nebulous about the situation. THAT''S where the problem arose. The guy is being PAID for his services including keeping his client informed as to progress of the item. As Bluepea mentioned, her phone calls went unanswered, her requests not answered in a timely fashion. Sorry, this is just plain good business. And, seems to be a prevailing theme in the jewelry business. Makes me wonder whether Jeweler''s operate on a different set of business rules. But, wait it IS all about them. And, as a retailer, you better be grateful that people buy "things".

I''ve seen too many business fail because they can not deliver due to taking on too much work.
 
Some of these responses, especially from people in the industry are really RUDE. I appreciate your position but there is a diplomatic manner to express yourself. I certainly wouldn''t purchase good from someone so rude!

I do appreciate your jeweller has a family issue and I am glad he delivered at some point. However, he should have been upfront when he couldn''t deliver. We all understand that family emergencies arise. However, if you promise a timeline and things change a professional jeweller should have a member of his or her staff call you and tell you the timeline has changed. It comes down to good practice management. Sometimes, despite our best intentions, we can''t deliver but a part of service is managing expectations.

We originally were using a jeweller who said it would take 3-4 days for a wax model and 2 weeks to make the ring. I explained WE had a family emergency (my grandfather was sick) and the jeweller also said he understood because he had an illness in the family but could get the timeline done NO problem. The wax model took 3 weeks. The day the wax model was ready, my grandfather died and he never got to see us get engaged. We had another illness in the family (who also subseuqently died) and we were so upset, I bought the diamond from them and had it set elsewhere to make sure it was done on time. I just couldn''t take another risk.

I tried to give the jeweller the benefit of the doubt and gave him another piece to do. He promised 1 week and it was three. I now think he has a busy shop and not a great concept of time.
 
Date: 3/25/2005 5:18:37 PM
Author: Sashabella
Some of these responses, especially from people in the industry are really RUDE. I appreciate your position but there is a diplomatic manner to express yourself. I certainly wouldn''t purchase good from someone so rude!

I do appreciate your jeweller has a family issue and I am glad he delivered at some point. However, he should have been upfront when he couldn''t deliver. We all understand that family emergencies arise. However, if you promise a timeline and things change a professional jeweller should have a member of his or her staff call you and tell you the timeline has changed. It comes down to good practice management. Sometimes, despite our best intentions, we can''t deliver but a part of service is managing expectations.

Agree with Sashabella. Anyone can have an emergency but if you gave your word and took money in advance you should inform your customer about the delay and offer the money back.

I''m also concerned about vendors being rude and attacking the consumers here
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Date: 3/26/2005 9
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I''m able to look through more than one set of eyes and provide a glimpse into what I see from my vantage point. Unless you''re walking in my shoes, as Iceman pointed out, you cannot do that. If you wish to dictate how things are supposed be, walk in my shoes first. Take the opportunity to see things as I see them first. See what I see the way I see it. THEN you can be objective.





This thread is just oozing with sympathy. You make my point.



Date: 3/25/2005 4:57:12 PM
Author: fire&ice

This is a two way street for everybody. As a consumer, you are blessed to have the variety of things to buy. You are blessed to have the choices you do. You are blessed to be able to buy the things you do.

I am grateful to have the ability to offer consumers what I do. I am grateful that consumers want what I have to offer whether it be product, opinion or knowledge.

This IS what it''s all about.

Have a joyous Easter
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Dave




You clearly don''t get it. And, you just plain like to argue & berrate ANYONE who disagrees with your pro the jeweler choice or opinion for that matter. You don''t offer a perspective. You offer an argument.

I have walked in your shoes. I am a SOLE PROPRIETOR. I am a RETAILER. In a round about way, some may even call me a JEWELER. I find that the winningest point is to deliver what you say : when you say. PERIOD. I have found that if you are candid about those two points & keep people in the loop, no one has ever had issues about family emergencies, or whatever may be the delay.

This will be my final rebuttal to your accusatory & inflamed posts to me and others regarding the issue.

FACT - the jeweler had an emergency
FACT - this emergency may have delayed projects.
FACT - the client was not informed of this & was put off. *THIS* was the issue. PERIOD. What part of that do you not get? Instead you choose to make me and others seem like heartless humans - great call.
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When in fact, the jeweler did not handle the situation well.
 


FACT - the jeweler had an emergency
FACT - this emergency may have delayed projects.
FACT - the client was not informed of this & was put off. *THIS* was the issue. PERIOD. What part of that do you not get? Instead you choose to make me and others seem like heartless humans - great call.
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When in fact, the jeweler did not handle the situation well.
BluePea stated in the very first post that the jeweler wasn''t the one setting the stone, and that it was only last Saturday that they were able to get the diamond to him anyway. BluePea also knew about the family emergency, as well. I''m sorry that things got so frustrating for BluePea (trust me, I''ve been dealing with a similar situation recently and I know about frustration!) but it''s not entirely truthful to be making the statement that the client was not informed, or put off. It sounds like explanations WERE given for the delays, but were just not acceptable to the client.

I''ve had enough experience with jewelers and custom work to know that things like this happen. I know the client had a deadline, and unfortunately was worried that the ring wouldn''t be ready in the time frame initially agreed on. I do think that BluePea''s initial post was a little over the top reaction-wise. In the long run, the client and the jeweler were able to work things out to a mutual satisfaction.

I am disappointed in the attitude that many of you had regarding the jeweler and his family emergency. I have read enough on this forum to feel the disdain many of you have for what you call "maul" stores. The alternative to a "maul" store is most likely going to be a privately owned business, and sometimes in privately owned business, things like family emergencies DO take top priority! That''s just the chance you take when you give your business to someone like that, as opposed to a big corporation with a chain of stores.

I don''t feel that it was necessary for Iceman to be quite so abrasive in his tone (but maybe that''s just his personality...and that''s fine by me
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Date: 3/26/2005 12:18
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FACT - the jeweler had an emergency
FACT - this emergency may have delayed projects.
FACT - the client was not informed of this & was put off. *THIS* was the issue. PERIOD. What part of that do you not get? Instead you choose to make me and others seem like heartless humans - great call.
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When in fact, the jeweler did not handle the situation well.
BluePea stated in the very first post that the jeweler wasn''t the one setting the stone, and that it was only last Saturday that they were able to get the diamond to him anyway. BluePea also knew about the family emergency, as well. I''m sorry that things got so frustrating for BluePea (trust me, I''ve been dealing with a similar situation recently and I know about frustration!) but it''s not entirely truthful to be making the statement that the client was not informed, or put off. It sounds like explanations WERE given for the delays, but were just not acceptable to the client.

I''ve had enough experience with jewelers and custom work to know that things like this happen. I know the client had a deadline, and unfortunately was worried that the ring wouldn''t be ready in the time frame initially agreed on. I do think that BluePea''s initial post was a little over the top reaction-wise. In the long run, the client and the jeweler were able to work things out to a mutual satisfaction.

I am disappointed in the attitude that many of you had regarding the jeweler and his family emergency. I have read enough on this forum to feel the disdain many of you have for what you call ''maul'' stores. The alternative to a ''maul'' store is most likely going to be a privately owned business, and sometimes in privately owned business, things like family emergencies DO take top priority! That''s just the chance you take when you give your business to someone like that, as opposed to a big corporation with a chain of stores.

I don''t feel that it was necessary for Iceman to be quite so abrasive in his tone (but maybe that''s just his personality...and that''s fine by me
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Perhaps Bluepea can clarify, but your events are not accurate. First, bluepea admitted in a subsequent post that she over-reacted. Second, to say she was told of the reason for the delay but that is wasn''t acceptable is a very judgemental statement & incorrect. She was given a reason for the delay BUT wasn''t given an update to when the ring would be ready or IF it was going to be ready. Sorry, "maybe tomorrow" comes and then goes.

In her own words "When I called his store, the person working there never knew anything about my ring and I was told he would call me back but NEVER DID. " She had a very viable reason for needing a head''s up if the ring was ready. She was not informed & put off. That''s what I read.

The fact the the jeweler wasn''t setting the stone has little baring on it. The jeweler had the Fiduciary responsiblity to the client to complete the transaction is a time frame promised. If the setter, his agent, was back logged then, find someone else who could get to it. It was a simple setting & and a set that shouldn''t take but a few minutes.

I also think it is uncompassionate to brush someone else''s feelings aside. She was venting.
 
I admit, I didn''t read all the posts in this thread, because of all the negativity. I read BluePea''s first post, then I came back in later and read where the ring was going to be ready for the trip after all. Apparently even BluePea agreed that the first post was over reacting, if that''s what a subsequent post stated. It sounds to me like there was a lot of emotional reaction, plus quite a bit of miscommunication between BluePea and this jeweler.

The thing I don''t get is how fired up so many of the people on this forum got over the whole thing. Granted, BluePea had a right, and probably a good reason, to come here and vent. I''ve done it myself. But I doubt anyone here, not even you, knows the WHOLE story and all the facts in this situation. We are only hearing BluePea''s version of the events, not the other side. I still think, reading between the lines of course, that this was just a result of a misunderstanding all the way around. I feel sorry for both sides involved, because in reality, I''ve been in both positions.

Warning...don''t read further if you don''t want to be bored by a personal experience...

When I was pregnant with my daughter, my husband (who is a doctor) was in private practice at the time. I had been in the hospital for a few days with complications where my labor would start, and then suddenly stall out or stop. My husband tried to stay with me as much as he could, between office hours, hospital rounds, and so forth. He pretty much sat in a chair by my bed for three straight nights, and tried to see his patients during the day. When I finally went into full-blown hard labor, there were some complications. The hospital called my husband, who was in his office seeing patients at that particular moment. He dropped everything and rushed to the hospital to be with me. He had to leave an office full of patients just sitting there in the waiting room, and one right in the middle of a consultation. Of course, his nurse explained to the patients what was going on, and asked them to either reschedule their apointments, or go to the ER if they were seriously ill. Most of the patients were very understanding, but I found out later that a few of them were pissed off that their doctor "ran out" on them, even though they were told the reason why he did. He was eventually able to appease most of the disgruntled ones, but a couple of them were so upset, that they wouldn''t go see him again and found another doctor. After that, I''ve tried to be understanding.
 
Date: 3/26/2005 1
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I also think it is uncompassionate to brush someone else''s feelings aside. She was venting.
P.S.

I don''t really think that I said anything to or about BluePea that was "uncompassionate" I posted that I understood her frustration, and I also posted to her that I was glad everything worked out for her and congratulated her. I think that''s how this whole thread got so out of hand...most people were looking at this situation as "black and white". I don''t think it was. I was trying to see things from both sides. And since we only heard one side of the story, most fell on the side of sympathizing with BluePea, and bashing the jeweler. Some people "might" have felt differently if they had been able to hear an accounting from the other person''s perspective. That''s all I''m trying to say.
 
I think we should all go on Dr.Phil with this one :)
 
Date: 3/26/2005 4:52
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Only if I get to hit him with a big stick the first time he says ''In my book''
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I don''t mind so much if he plugs his books...what annoys me is when he get''s in someone''s face and yells "what were you THINKING????" I get to use the big stick if he says that, ok?
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or my two favorite chestnuts:

"do you want to be right, or do you want to be happy?"

"the best predictor of future behavior is past behavior"
 
or..."how''s that workin'' for ya?"
 
Date: 3/26/2005 10:24:52 PM
Author: crankydave

Date: 3/26/2005 11:17:25 AM
Author: fire&ice


I have walked in your shoes. I am a SOLE PROPRIETOR. I am a RETAILER. In a round about way, some may even call me a JEWELER. I find that the winningest point is to deliver what you say : when you say. PERIOD. I have found that if you are candid about those two points & keep people in the loop, no one has ever had issues about family emergencies, or whatever may be the delay.

This will be my final rebuttal to your accusatory & inflamed posts to me and others regarding the issue.
Unless you have been or are a jeweler, you have not walked in my shoes. No, you cannot be a jeweler in a round about way. You either are or are not. Whether you choose to realize, accept, or disclose this fact, is of course, entirely up to you.

You quite appropriately point out the emotional attachment. The symbolisim. Jewelers deal with this every hour, every day. Unless you''re a jeweler, you do not know. Jewelers work on things every day that are the most treasured and precious memoirs and symbols to the person that owns them. Unless you''re a jeweler, you do not know. You cannot know. You haven''t the foggiest idea.
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Unless I am directed to do so by administration, this will not be my last post on this issue, or any others, as long as you and others continue to attack, insult, and degrade me or any others, unfettered, for no other reason than being a jeweler.
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Dave
I said that was my last post - but this is just sooooo ridiculous that I had to reply.

Yep, you can be a jeweler in a round about way. I deal in Estate Jewelry only. I would not consider myself a jeweler. I have a specialty. I deal in only certain periods of jewelry. Jewelry is adorment. I sell adornment.

Please don''t assume I don''t have the foggiest idea of how emotional & sentimental purchases can be. For that matter, how painful it is sometimes for people to have to SELL items. I deal in a daily basis with the past & all the emotion that goes on with it.
 
Wow -- what a thread I just read! I don''t think there is much to add as so many people took such hard line positions, and I actually think most would agree (if they took a step back) that it was basically a bad situation, with both sides being somewhat sympathetic. (family emergency,and the sentiment, importance, and nervewrackingness of an engagement.)

I just want to say... Steve, I hope your mother is ok. Most people don''t realize that heart disease is as much of a problem for women as it is for men. It is just as important for women to pay attention to their heart health, in the same ways as men have to, and I hope she is ok. I''d hate to see any CATS show up!
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Date: 3/28/2005 8:18:50 AM
Author: crankydave

Date: 3/27/2005 3:33:59 PM
Author: fire&ice
I said that was my last post - but this is just sooooo ridiculous that I had to reply.

Yep, you can be a jeweler in a round about way. I deal in Estate Jewelry only. I would not consider myself a jeweler. I have a specialty. I deal in only certain periods of jewelry. Jewelry is adorment. I sell adornment.

Please don''t assume I don''t have the foggiest idea of how emotional & sentimental purchases can be. For that matter, how painful it is sometimes for people to have to SELL items. I deal in a daily basis with the past & all the emotion that goes on with it.
Really? How many other tradesmen are you capable of insulting in a ''round about'' way? Perhaps any one who can drive a nail is a carpenter in a round about way? Maybe being to change the oil in your car makes you a mechanic? Dealing with any kind or period of jewelry does not make anybody a jeweler in a round about way. A clerk, a jewelry salesperson, a jewelry store owner, or perhaps a jewelry appraiser, but not a jeweler.

How many stones have the round about jewelers set? How many people have you had to set grandma''s ''perfect blue white'' diamond for while they all but sit in your lap making certain they get their stone back? How many customers you dealt with that are certain you''re going to switch their stone because they saw it on the TV or read it on the internet?

Dave
You just like to argue doncha. It is pointless to argue with your tunnel vision. You just don''t get it. But then, I suppose I should alert many book authors & museum collections of my status. On one thing you are spot on, I''ve never had anyone worry about whether I would switch their stone.

That being said, I agree w/ Lop. I have taken a step back and I do think there are lots of facets to this particular situation. But, I do maintain that since the jeweler is being PAID, he has a fiducary responsiblity to the client. This responsiblity makes him...well... more responsible.
 
Very sad. I went throught the same thing. My jeweller said a month and it took three.

And according to what I have read here by some of the "less tactful posters"...when going through a custom experience like this you basically throw all ration out the window.

But when it comes down to it....and I am pretty sure some of these women will agree...a job is a job. My job doesn''t stop for me. You half to realize your priorities. I mean...if my daughter was sick I would quit my job to be with her. But the world never stops for a mom, right? My BF gets sick and takes a week off work whining on the couch. I get pneumonia, have to take care of two kids, still go to work and hold it all together. I hate that.

In all honesty, the jeweller should have been more up front with you. You have chosen him for a reason and if he can''t live up to his end of the deal (regardless of the reason) he should tell you that. He owns it to you because you are the reason he has a job. The consumer, right?
 
Your right. You are absolutely right. I have tunnel vision. I have no idea about how a retail industry works.

I will erase my resume of being a sole proprietor in retail (Art & Antiques) for 15 years or being a jewelry collector/buyer for 25 years. Wow, now if I can go back to the IRS & convince them my Schedule C is all a sham. Thanks for the idea. I will get to that shortly after I warn some people that jeweler's switch stones. I learned that on the internet. I do believe everything I read there.

You've so enlightened me. I see things so much more clearly. And, so glad no one would think I would switch a stone.
 
Dave,

Just an observation and NOT to be confrontational. It appears that you feel that jewlers are often misunderstood and hard done by; moreso than other industries. Have you considered a different profession that would not make you feel frequently attacked and necessary to defend?
 
Date: 3/28/2005 2:24
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This forum is a perfect example. Say or infer anything at all derogatory about Pricescope and there will be many who defend it with the same amount of passion, determination, and fervor. Why should it be any different for me?

Dave
Nonsense, Dave.

If one pays Pricescope and Pricescope doesn''t deliver in time, please feel free to criticize and demand your money back. Also please be assured, Pricescope will not use "family emergency" as an excuse
 
I'm sorry, but I have to butt back in here.

This thread may not have been about money, but neither was it really about the family emergency.

The point is, if the jeweler could not deliver his product for WHATEVER REASON, he should have been forthcoming with the consumer about not being able to deliver as promised, and either have her A. be able to accept this, or B. get a refund and take her project somewhere else. This thread was about being FORTHCOMING and DIRECT with the consumer. He could have gone to Vegas for a gambling spree for all I care. The point is, be honest. Don't string her along and tell her "It's almost ready, it's coming, it just needs this...it's in my other office..." NO. It's either going to be done, or not. Just be HONEST.
 
Date: 3/24/2005 4:40:21 PM
Author: Iceman


Really , It use to be your word ment something and there was some understanding on things.
You''re exactly right...someone''s word should mean something and there should be some understanding. The jeweler gave her his word that the setting would be done in about a week. He was so confident about it that he charged her for it in full before he even began making it. It also appears from the post that the jeweler did not attempt to contact her to inform her that it was going to take longer for him to complete it, whatever the reason. SHE had to continually call HIM to find out what was going on. Do things come up that interfere with life and business? Sure. But after having given her his word that it will be ready in a week, and taking her money in full, he has a responsibility to either find a way to get it done or let her know that it will not be ready in time and find a solution that will make the customer happy (whether it be giving a small discount or just many apologies about the delay, whatever makes THE CUSTOMER happy.) He is running a business and everyone knows that the #1 rule in business is to make sure that the customer is always happy. That may make the business owner angry, and it may be frustrating at times, but if you can''t deal with making that happen then you aren''t going to be successful in business. That statement is not directed at anyone in particular, it is just stating a fact. And, again, yes there should be some understanding. I don''t think anyone suggested that she stiff the guy...obviously he is going through something very upsetting. But how about a little understadnnig for the consumer as well? Maybe jewelry is not a life or death situation, but, as a jeweler, I''m sure you can understand the importance and significance that people place on their jewelry pieces, ESPECIALLY their engagement rings. If this were not true, you would not have a job. It is upsetting to not have your ring done when it was supposed to be done. This is a very exciting time in her life and she has every right to be disappointed.

Oh, and, about that generation statement....i have come in contact with PLENTY of older generation people who are extremely demanding, rude, self-absorbed and inconsiderate. However, I have never once taken those situations and used them to generalize an entire population of people. I just thought "wow, that person was extremely demanding, rude, self-absorbed and inconsiderate" and went about my day in a world where everyone individual person is different and thus, should be dealt with on an individual basis.
 
Date: 3/28/2005 7
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Date: 3/28/2005 5:31:23 PM
Author: FireGoddess
I'm sorry, but I have to butt back in here.

This thread may not have been about money, but neither was it really about the family emergency.
Why? Because the possibility exists that this jeweler might have been being less than completely transparent and the family medical emergency was made up and not real?

Dave
Omigod...how much more CLEAR can I be? Do NOT read into what I said. Simply read WHAT I said.

Do I think he was lying about the family emergency? NO.
Do I think he was unfair by stringing her along about when the ring would be done and his ability to get it done in time? YES.

Period. Do not read more into my post than exactly what I said. He should have been up front with her and told her there was a very real chance the ring would not be done in time.

You keep accusing people (consumers) of having tunnel vision, but I really think that in this instance, it is YOU that have the tunnel vision. I UNDERSTAND the jeweler had a family emergency. I can EMPATHIZE with that. I can SEE his point of view.

Does that excuse that he was less than direct with her about the ring getting done? ABSOLUTELY NOT.

You keep bringing up the family emergency as an excuse. Is it a valid excuse for not getting the ring done? YES.
Is it a valid excuse for not being up front about the time frame of getting it done? NO.

Therefore, I am not debating whether or not the family emergency is a valid reason for not getting work done.
I am simply stating it is NOT a valid reason for dodging her inquiries as to when it WOULD be done.
 
FG, why even bother? Dave will take what you said and read what he wants into it or pick and choose parts of the discussion that suit him and the point he wants to make, he has been doing it this whole conversation (which has been mildly entertaining but .... hmm not really)...maybe if you just pretend to agree he will CEASE AND DESIST and give us all a break.

Saint Cranky Dave...patron saint of downtrodden jewelers everywhere. Hurrah Hurrah.
 
*sigh* It''s true. I should know when I''m fighting a lost cause (ie. talking to a brick wall). It just pisses me off when someone claims to be giving an objective opinion, but so CLEARLY is not. I don''t expect cranky to agree with me, but I do expect that as an adult, if he thinks that the consumers should be held to a certain level of acceptable behavior (consideration for others) that the jeweler in this case should be held to the SAME standard (consideration for others).
 
I should stop trying to get through to you and give the people actually following this thread a break...but as I said, I sometimes don't know when to stop talking to a brick wall.

My declaration that you have accused people of tunnel vision...exaggeration, eh? Read your OWN WORDS:




Date: 3/28/2005 12:58
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Date: 3/28/2005 9:25:55 AM
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You just like to argue doncha. It is pointless to argue with your tunnel vision. You just don't get it. But then, I suppose I should alert many book authors & museum collections of my status.
It is not pointless to try and carry on a discussion with you and your tunnel vision. You simply cannot see beyond your point of view. I can see beyond mine. I left the tunnel many, many years ago. Perhaps you will too.
I don't appreciate being accused of something I didn't do (exaggerate). You clearly accused someone on this forum of having tunnel vision, whilst proclaiming that you did not. I suggest you actually READ the posts before twisting people's words around. This includes your own posts, where you're so...uh...what's the word....objective. *smirk* For clarification, I AM being facetious about your objectiveness. Don't want you to twist my words around. Again.

Secondly, you insinuate that I implied the jeweler was lying about his family emergency. I have never come close to that. I have always said the only thing I disagree with in this situation is his being less than forthcoming about the state of the project, and his ability to finish it in a timely manner.

Why bring up Las Vegas? It's a JOKE. The point is that I don't CARE what his excuse is. As long as he's truthful about his ability to deliver the product when it was promised. If he couldn't do that, all he had to do was be honest about it.

Seriously, crankydave...brick WALL.
 
Now you''re reading into whether I italicize a word or not, and what that means? That''s right. Of course you are. You know everything about everyone and exactly what they''re thinking, including reading between lines that aren''t there.

Correct, you only accused ONE person of tunnel vision, while claiming not to have it yourself. (hint hint: pot, you''re calling the kettle black).

I didn''t suggest he went to Vegas, I said I don''t care if he went to Vegas. The point is not why he could/not finish the job. The point is being honest and upfront. Did you get that? I''ve only said that in EVERY POST.

I''m done with you. Twist someone else''s words around.
 
i''ve been following this thread, and while not particularly vested in the discussion, i personally believe that BluePea was venting. and the venting got bent out of proportioin by many readers/respondants.

i''ve read many ''vents'' here at pricescope on many issues. people just looking to get it out of their system and perhaps looking for alternative ways of handling situations.

i can see how one side of the coin appears to be that BluePea was insensitive to the jeweler''s family emergency; i can see how BluePea would feel disappointed and upset that the ring was not going to be ready for the special event.

perhaps better communication from both sides would have gone a long ways in this situation. jeweler may not have been totally aware of the seriousness of the family emergency in the beginning and also not sensitive to
BluePea''s needsl. BluePea could have gotten a substitute ring for the situation and/or requested a refund. i''d like to think that reasonable people find many reasonable solutions.

there are many reputlable and disreputable jewelers out there....and/or uninformed people working for them. likewise, there are many unreasonable customers.

imo, in this case, neither BluePea nor the jeweler were ''unreasonable'', just not wonderfully communicative. could BluePea have been more understanding about the jeweler? perhaps... could pricscope readers have been more understanding regarding BluePea''s vent? perhaps....

peace, movie zombie
 
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