Beware of Insurance Fraud at Gübelin Gem Lab

[time0998]

Beware of Insurance Fraud at Gübelin Gem Lab
I recently went to Gübelin in Shanghai, China to personally send a ruby to Gübelin for identification. I insured my gemstone for about $450,000 and paid a premium of about $700 at the same time I submitted the gemstone. Gübelin provided me with the contract and receipt. (Because of personal privacy, if the moderator needs, I can provide it to the moderator privately, please inform the moderator of the contact information)
I asked the Gübelin employee if I had to sign the contract with the insurance company in person? The employees of Gübelin clearly informed that it was not necessary. They will sign the contract with the insurance company on my behalf. The conversation is evidenced by surveillance video.
During the identification process, I suspected that my gem had been stolen. I asked Gübelin to notify the insurance company or give me the insurance company's contract so that I could make a claim to the insurance company in person. Unexpectedly, however, Gübelin refused to notify the insurance company and refused to provide me with an insurance contract. Rather, it will be refunded to me the premiums I have already paid. According to the contract Gübelin gave me, and on their website: "Any and all Gemstones sent to Gübelin shall be insured by Customer to their full value, such insurance covering the delivery to Gübelin, the time period during which the Gemstones are at the laboratory and the return of such Gemstones by Gübelin to Customer. ”
Please check their website link: https://www.gubelingemlab.com/en/extras/service-navigation/terms-conditions-gem-lab

That is, after I personally delivered the gem to Gübelin and paid for the insurance on the spot, the insurance contract was in effect. However, when I had a dispute with Gübelin and needed to notify the insurance company, Gübelin refused to notify the insurance company and did not give me an insurance contract. Gübelin offered to refund the insurance I had paid ($700).

I have complained to Gübelin headquarters and Gübelin headquarters does not respond to my complaint.

 

[lovedogs]

For those keeping track of this at home, OPs claims about what happened to him have suddenly changed. First, it was something about appraisals being false/fake, and now it's about an insurance scam. Not to mention that he apparently sees conspiracies everywhere (incuding about labeling meteorite).

 

[kenny]

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[Autumn in New England]

I've been (loosely) following these postings, and I'm just not sure what to make of it. I'm hesitant to dismiss it outright. I feel like something has definitely happened, and this poster writes with the kind of desperation of someone who legitimately feels like he/she has been wronged (whether he/she actually has or not). But the story is not particularly cogent or consistent. I'm not sure if that is due to a language barrier or something else. My gut reaction is that OP may have been scammed by a dealer, and believes Gubelin switched a stone. Another scenario would be that he/she is running some sort of grift. And yet another option is that there is, shall we say, a defect present here. Gubelin, sensing that this is an issue beyond their purview, is refusing to further engage OP. I'd be interested to see if the mods would be willing to accept whatever proof OP is offering. But that may be a slippery slope... your call!

 

[AnastasiaBeaverhausen]

I've been (loosely) following these postings, and I'm just not sure what to make of it. I'm hesitant to dismiss it outright. I feel like something has definitely happened, and this poster writes with the kind of desperation of someone who legitimately feels like he/she has been wronged (whether he/she actually has or not). But the story is not particularly cogent or consistent. I'm not sure if that is due to a language barrier or something else. My gut reaction is that OP may have been scammed by a dealer, and believes Gubelin switched a stone. Another scenario would be that he/she is running some sort of grift. And yet another option is that there is, shall we say, a defect present here. Gubelin, sensing that this is an issue beyond their purview, is refusing to further engage OP. I'd be interested to see if the mods would be willing to accept whatever proof OP is offering. But that may be a slippery slope... your call!

My thoughts exactly.

OP, I can sympathize that you feel wronged. But as other posters have said, this isn't really the right platform to achieve whatever goal you are aiming for.

Also, any time someone posts about their experience with a specific vendor, on its own it's just one piece of data. Plus, there's often some details that's missing or slightly misrepresented info that changes the context of the situation. And so it wouldn't be fair to make sweeping generalizations about any vendor or tradesperson based on one person's word alone, especially with such severe issues you're accusing them of.

 

[time0998]

There are two characteristics of the American people that I admire and appreciate very much. One is clever and the other is questioning authority. These two characteristics are manifested in attitudes towards elected leadership that are quite different from other countries. Americans do not allow a president to serve more than two terms, no matter how good the president. Why? Because Americans know that how well the president does is not the most important thing, the most important thing is that voters have the ability to remove the president when they no longer trust the president.
In the same way, as a consumer, the most important feature of a good business is that when your interests conflict with those of the business, you have the means and ability to safeguard your rights. If a business is so powerful that you cannot protect your interests through rational negotiation with the business, and you cannot seek justice for you through public power, then the power of the business will not only harm consumers, but also harm the entire industry. The addition of melamine to infant formula in China is an example of this. (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2008_Chinese_milk_scandal)
A powerful manufacturer was the first to add melamine to infant formula, and the government has received complaints from consumers. However, this manufacturer is too powerful, this manufacturer has the ability to control law enforcement officers. This makes him more competitive than other milk powder manufacturers. Eventually, all businesses were forced to add melamine to infant formula. Interestingly, it was the New Zealand government that brought this scandal to light, even though the victims were Chinese babies.

I fully feel that Gübelin is also a very powerful company.

I'm not sure if I'll still be able to speak on this platform, so write this much first. Since Americans are smart and question authority, as long as this platform allows me to speak, I can present the facts to you.

 

[Autumn in New England]

There are two characteristics of the American people that I admire and appreciate very much. One is clever and the other is questioning authority. These two characteristics are manifested in attitudes towards elected leadership that are quite different from other countries. Americans do not allow a president to serve more than two terms, no matter how good the president. Why? Because Americans know that how well the president does is not the most important thing, the most important thing is that voters have the ability to remove the president when they no longer trust the president.
In the same way, as a consumer, the most important feature of a good business is that when your interests conflict with those of the business, you have the means and ability to safeguard your rights. If a business is so powerful that you cannot protect your interests through rational negotiation with the business, and you cannot seek justice for you through public power, then the power of the business will not only harm consumers, but also harm the entire industry. The addition of melamine to infant formula in China is an example of this. (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2008_Chinese_milk_scandal)
A powerful manufacturer was the first to add melamine to infant formula, and the government has received complaints from consumers. However, this manufacturer is too powerful, this manufacturer has the ability to control law enforcement officers. This makes him more competitive than other milk powder manufacturers. Eventually, all businesses were forced to add melamine to infant formula. Interestingly, it was the New Zealand government that brought this scandal to light, even though the victims were Chinese babies.

I fully feel that Gübelin is also a very powerful company.

I'm not sure if I'll still be able to speak on this platform, so write this much first. Since Americans are smart and question authority, as long as this platform allows me to speak, I can present the facts to you.

This is a very insightful and prudent post, and I wholly agree. That being said, I'm just not sure the folks in this forum can help you right whatever wrong you feel has been perpetrated against you. In order for consumers to come together and fight the "powers" that be, we have to understand, verify, and experience the same slight. And I'm just not seeing evidence of something widespread, where other clients of Gubelin Shanghai have expressed the same concerns. Although I'll freely admit that I'm still not crystal clear on exactly what has transpired. But Gubelin is an LMHC laboratory. Perhaps you can contact the committee to report your problem. I do wish you good luck in resolving whatever issues you're experiencing!

LMHC — The Laboratory Manual Harmonisation Committee

The goal of the LMHC is to achieve the harmonisation of gemmological report language and thereafter the revision of it as used by LMHC members.

www.lmhc-gemmology.org

 

[HGar]

@time0998 do you actually understand that this is a primarily consumer oriented forum? There are people in the trade that comment here but in a limited form. They don’t run the forum as such therefore there is no “power” to do what you keep requesting.

 

[Avondale]

I'm hesitant to dismiss it outright. I feel like something has definitely happened, and this poster writes with the kind of desperation of someone who legitimately feels like he/she has been wronged (whether he/she actually has or not).

This is how I feel about it as well. But I also have a theory.

OP, here are a few of my thoughts and I hope they'll be useful to you.

1. You say you suspect the gem you submitted might have been stolen. Now, in terms of theft there are only two options - you either get the gem back, or you don't. If you're not sure a theft happened, that must mean you received a gem back and probably aren't sure this is your gem, the one you submitted?

This is my train of thought also because you mentioned on a couple occasions that the information on the certificate isn't enough to determine which gem it belongs to. Now, more knowledgeable people here could add to this, but my impression with natural coloured gems so far has been that each of them is pretty unique in terms of size measurements and weight. Meaning, there is definitely enough information on the certificate to be able to link it to the gem in question.

The Gubelin lab report contains information about the type of gem, size in mm and carat weight, both precise up to two decimal places, type of cut and information about treatments. When talking about natural coloured gems, each of them is cut in a unique way depending on the type and shape of rough and considering best colour performance and carat weight preservation. They have fat bottoms, different proportions, off-centre culets and so on.

This is why you can easily take your gem to any competent gemologist and have them verify whether the specifics on the certificate match.

2. You mention that you signed an insurance with Gubelin. Thing is, insurance contracts are signed with insurance companies, not gem labs. I further find it hard to understand how you were both

provided me with the contract and receipt.

and

refused to provide me with an insurance contract

So I'm not sure what it is you paid 700$ to and on the grounds of what contract.

In any case, if you've paid 700$ for insurance fees and have the documentation to prove it before the court and authorities, I can only suggest you seek out help from a local attorney who can assist you.

3. Here's my theory on what happened, though.

To start, you don't mention how this very expensive ruby came into your possession. Such stones very very rarely fly under the radar, if at all. The people who own them know what they are and what they are worth. If memory serves me right, you identified yourself as someone in the trade. So my natural assumption is that you purchased the stone. However, if you paid a 6-figure sum for that stone, I find it hard to believe you did so without any certification or proof what the gem actually is.

So would I be right to guess someone sold you the stone as a natural, super expensive ruby but for an excellent cheap price?

Would I also be right to guess you sent the gem to a lab and it came back as lab ruby (or other synthetic)? Now, if at this point you believe the seller was honest with you about selling you a natural gem, you would also assume the gem lab stole your super expensive ruby and gave you a cheap lab made one instead of it.

You obviously raised this issue with the lab. Judging by the way you write on this forum board, you were probably pretty intense and insisting with them, too. And in their field of business it's easier to offer you a refund on the services you paid for in an attempt to appease to you.

If my above guesses are mostly correct, I would advise you to consider the possibility you were defrauded by the seller of this gem and not by the lab. Correctly identifying the problem is the first step towards seeking legal remedies and getting compensated for your losses successfully .

 

[Autumn in New England]

This is how I feel about it as well. But I also have a theory.

OP, here are a few of my thoughts and I hope they'll be useful to you.

1. You say you suspect the gem you submitted might have been stolen. Now, in terms of theft there are only two options - you either get the gem back, or you don't. If you're not sure a theft happened, that must mean you received a gem back and probably aren't sure this is your gem, the one you submitted?

This is my train of thought also because you mentioned on a couple occasions that the information on the certificate isn't enough to determine which gem it belongs to. Now, more knowledgeable people here could add to this, but my impression with natural coloured gems so far has been that each of them is pretty unique in terms of size measurements and weight. Meaning, there is definitely enough information on the certificate to be able to link it to the gem in question.

The Gubelin lab report contains information about the type of gem, size in mm and carat weight, both precise up to two decimal places, type of cut and information about treatments. When talking about natural coloured gems, each of them is cut in a unique way depending on the type and shape of rough and considering best colour performance and carat weight preservation. They have fat bottoms, different proportions, off-centre culets and so on.

This is why you can easily take your gem to any competent gemologist and have them verify whether the specifics on the certificate match.

2. You mention that you signed an insurance with Gubelin. Thing is, insurance contracts are signed with insurance companies, not gem labs. I further find it hard to understand how you were both

and

So I'm not sure what it is you paid 700$ to and on the grounds of what contract.

In any case, if you've paid 700$ for insurance fees and have the documentation to prove it before the court and authorities, I can only suggest you seek out help from a local attorney who can assist you.

3. Here's my theory on what happened, though.

To start, you don't mention how this very expensive ruby came into your possession. Such stones very very rarely fly under the radar, if at all. The people who own them know what they are and what they are worth. If memory serves me right, you identified yourself as someone in the trade. So my natural assumption is that you purchased the stone. However, if you paid a 6-figure sum for that stone, I find it hard to believe you did so without any certification or proof what the gem actually is.

So would I be right to guess someone sold you the stone as a natural, super expensive ruby but for an excellent cheap price?

Would I also be right to guess you sent the gem to a lab and it came back as lab ruby (or other synthetic)? Now, if at this point you believe the seller was honest with you about selling you a natural gem, you would also assume the gem lab stole your super expensive ruby and gave you a cheap lab made one instead of it.

You obviously raised this issue with the lab. Judging by the way you write on this forum board, you were probably pretty intense and insisting with them, too. And in their field of business it's easier to offer you a refund on the services you paid for in an attempt to appease to you.

If my above guesses are mostly correct, I would advise you to consider the possibility you were defrauded by the seller of this gem and not by the lab. Correctly identifying the problem is the first step towards seeking legal remedies and getting compensated for your losses successfully .

I feel like this breakdown pretty much says it all.

It's certainly a curious case. My best wishes to OP for some satisfaction, whatever the circumstances may be.

 

[time0998]

I feel like this breakdown pretty much says it all.

It's certainly a curious case. My best wishes to OP for some satisfaction, whatever the circumstances may be.

I have filed complaints against Gübelin with Chinese and Swiss law enforcement agencies. I also complained to the Swiss media about Gübelin. I will start by talking about the performance of the Swiss media to show you the power of Gübelin Switzerland.
I wrote to all the Swiss media, complaining about Gübelin, and I got in touch with an investigative reporter from one of Switzerland's largest media groups. Below is one of my emails to the reporter.
"I received today a notification from Gübelin Shanghai branch that they have decided to refund the insurance fee charged to me by the agency insurance company. And let me get my "gem" back as soon as possible (of course, the appraisal fee is still charged).
Since I suspect my gems are missing, I ask them to call the police, or notify the insurance company. If neither of these two requirements are met, I ask them to at least give me the insurance company's contract and let me notify the insurance company myself.

The first time I heard of consumers claiming from insurance companies, and the reason the insurance company refused to pay is that the insurance company only needs to refund the premium paid by the consumer, and then the insurance company can refuse to pay.

I have never encountered such a "brute" company. I don't think Gübelin could have been so shameless without the protection of the Gübelin by the Swiss government.

I know that you are a man who pursues justice. But I also understand that because Gübelin has too much political power in Switzerland, even if you want to do justice, you can't do it. If you really can't get the Swiss government to enforce the law impartially, I understand the situation you're in. I'm not going to force you to do things you can't do, but could you allow me to ask you for a helping hand? Can you help me negotiate with Gübelin? My request is for Gübelin to provide my gem with a certificate and to return my gem safely. I can sign a non-disclosure agreement with them, and I promise to keep all their nasty information confidential.

Looking forward to your reply and suggestions.

Best regards,"
The focus of my initial conflict with Gübelin was my suspicion that my gems had been stolen. So I asked Gübelin to post some pictures of my gems, and I found out that none of them were mine (for example, one of the pictures had the cracks in the opposite direction). I asked Gübelin to send me more pictures, but they refused. So I posted some pictures of the microscopes I took and I had them take them in the same location, and if it was my gem, there must be a picture of the same inclusions in the same location. However, this request was rejected. (This process is very complicated, and I will slowly disclose it later)
So I asked them to notify the insurance company or give me the insurance company's contract. Also rejected. At this time, Gübelin Shanghai Branch took the initiative to request a refund of the insurance premiums that had been collected. Gübelin's actions would panic any ordinary consumer. I have to admit that I am complaining about Gübelin not for the justice of the world, but for the preservation of my gem. So my appeal has always been "My request is for Gübelin to provide my gem with a certificate and to return my gem safely."
I would be very grateful if Autumn in New England could help me negotiate with Gübelin.

Here's the reporter's response to me:

“”Thanks for your message. First of all: I am still a woman, and I pursue justice, that's right. What I can't agree with is our opinion of Gübelins political power in Switzerland. At least this would not affect my work, journalists in Switzerland are really free in doing research. So let me understand. Gübelin will pay you the insurance of 435'000 Swiss francs back, is that right? But the fee of 1'700 Swiss francs not? When they promise to give your gem back, on what way should you get it back?

I would really like to help you and I have already invested many hours to get after this. But at the moment, I have to wait until Gübelin returns the gem stone or not. I understand that you don't trust the promises. But I doubt that they can return it that quick. Or what makes you so sure you will not get your stone back?

Kind regards,""

When I saw the reporter's message, I was very moved. I think Switzerland is indeed a democratic country with justice. However, a few weeks later, under my questioning, the reporter replied: "She had to stop the investigation because of the war between Russia and Ukraine."
I will not disclose the name of the reporter and the name of the media here because I believe the reporter was sincere and well-meaning at first. As for her subsequent behavior, it is not within her control. My email conversation above is absolutely true, if the moderator wants, I can provide the reporter's contact information or I provide the moderator with the password of my email, which the moderator can see in my email.
So far, I can speak normally. This makes me grateful, and it makes me sigh with emotion, and it shows that justice on this planet depends on the United States and the American people.

 

[lovedogs]

No one can help you "negotiate" with Gubelin. Especially a fellow consumer from this forum. You need a lawyer if you want to persue some kind of legal action.

 

[Ionysis]

I’ve still no idea what actually happened. Did you get your stone back? If not, why not just get it back from them? Thoroughly confused by your communication - and I imagine the staff at Gubelin are as well!!

 

[AnastasiaBeaverhausen]

So far, I can speak normally. This makes me grateful, and it makes me sigh with emotion, and it shows that justice on this planet depends on the United States and the American people.

Wait. Where'd this come from? How does you corresponding with the Swiss press have anything to do with "the American people"? You do know that PS has members from all over the world, right?

This seals it for me. It seems to me you're really just pursuing some kind of political agenda, using a story about gems as your "in."

 

[yssie]

Deleted.

 

[seaurchin]

From what I can put together from of all these incoherent posts, it sounds to me more likely that you were cheated by whoever sold you the stone than cheated by the gem lab.

 

[Roselina]

I would like to hear the other side of the story as well in this case. Very confusing. If you believe you have been wronged you need to contact a lawyer and have her or him correspond with Gübelin. No Swiss reporter and certainly no American PSer can help you with that. Contact a lawyer, get your facts together and then, if you still feel wronged, officially have your lawyer contact Gübelin. PS: you most certainly overestimate Gübelins “political power”, whatever you mean by this.

 

[Autumn in New England]

I’ve still no idea what actually happened. Did you get your stone back? If not, why not just get it back from them? Thoroughly confused by your communication - and I imagine the staff at Gubelin are as well!!

This is my question now as well.

OP, how long has Gubelin had your gem?

I am also confused about the insurance process. I have never sent in a gem worth nearly as much as what OP is claiming, but I have sent in a ruby valued at $79k. While I did, of course, have to insure the stone in transit, I did not have to insure the gem while at the lab. Major institutions such as Gubelin, GIA, AGL, etc. all have policies in place for the gems they intake (which is why submission forms always ask the value of stones submitted). So I'm thoroughly perplexed as to why OP not only had to purchase a separate policy, but why the coverage would be bound, and premium paid, through Gubelin and not a private insurer.

Is what you're saying that, because of the high value, Gubelin required you to take out extra insurance through their underwriter, for which you paid a premium directly to the lab in the amount of $700? Then they held onto the gem and refunded you the premium, once you requested the gem be returned? How long had they been in possession of your gem before you demanded it back? Why did you demand it be returned before they completed the appraisal? And now you are convinced the gem has been lost or stolen, because it has not yet been returned to you?

Again, I'm interested to know how long they've been in possession of your gem. If a high-value stone has truly been lost or stolen while in their care, it would seem they'd still be responsible to compensate you for the loss. Or am I missing some sort of stipulation where gems over a certain amount of money require insurance paid by the submitter? In that case, you did just that, so you should still be covered. Any decision to refund your premium wouldn't unilaterally void the policy.

I agree with @lovedogs... at this point, I think you need to contact an attorney. They can at least communicate with Gubelin's headquarters to elicit a response in a way you may not. Good luck.

 

[time0998]

This is my question now as well.

OP, how long has Gubelin had your gem?

I am also confused about the insurance process. I have never sent in a gem worth nearly as much as what OP is claiming, but I have sent in a ruby valued at $79k. While I did, of course, have to insure the stone in transit, I did not have to insure the gem while at the lab. Major institutions such as Gubelin, GIA, AGL, etc. all have policies in place for the gems they intake (which is why submission forms always ask the value of stones submitted). So I'm thoroughly perplexed as to why OP not only had to purchase a separate policy, but why the coverage would be bound, and premium paid, through Gubelin and not a private insurer.

Is what you're saying that, because of the high value, Gubelin required you to take out extra insurance through their underwriter, for which you paid a premium directly to the lab in the amount of $700? Then they held onto the gem and refunded you the premium, once you requested the gem be returned? How long had they been in possession of your gem before you demanded it back? Why did you demand it be returned before they completed the appraisal? And now you are convinced the gem has been lost or stolen, because it has not yet been returned to you?

Again, I'm interested to know how long they've been in possession of your gem. If a high-value stone has truly been lost or stolen while in their care, it would seem they'd still be responsible to compensate you for the loss. Or am I missing some sort of stipulation where gems over a certain amount of money require insurance paid by the submitter? In that case, you did just that, so you should still be covered. Any decision to refund your premium wouldn't unilaterally void the policy.

I agree with @lovedogs... at this point, I think you need to contact an attorney. They can at least communicate with Gubelin's headquarters to elicit a response in a way you may not. Good luck.

Autumn in New England, my gem is still in Gübelin Shanghai branch. Things are far more complex and eye-catching than you might think. If this forum allows me to continue speaking, I will slowly present the facts to you. It's too late, we'll talk about it tomorrow.

 

[yssie]

Deleted. Correction further down the thread.

 

[AnastasiaBeaverhausen]

Gubelin doesn’t have a Shanghai branch.
Neither laboratory nor academy.

Unless you’re going to suggest that their website is lying about their locations.
https://www.gubelingemlab.com/en/location-finder

Perhaps the issue is simply that you didn’t actually submit your gem to Gubelin at all, as you think you did.

Tbf, there does seem to be a transpo/depot station in Shanghai. Perhaps the reason the Shanghai location can't provide more info is because they...don't...have...any?

 

[lovedogs]

Autumn in New England, my gem is still in Gübelin Shanghai branch. Things are far more complex and eye-catching than you might think. If this forum allows me to continue speaking, I will slowly present the facts to you. It's too late, we'll talk about it tomorrow.

There is no reason to "slowly present" facts to us. We cannot do anything to help you. I will say again--GET A LAWYER if you think a crime has been committed. However, seeing that Gubelin doesn't have a Shanghai branch AND you have yet to show any coherent evidence of anything, this seems pointless.

 

[seaurchin]

Autumn in New England, my gem is still in Gübelin Shanghai branch. Things are far more complex and eye-catching than you might think. If this forum allows me to continue speaking, I will slowly present the facts to you. It's too late, we'll talk about it tomorrow.

This coy approach about stating whatever the hell your actual issue is is really just annoying. People are spending their time reading your many long, windy, loony posts and still no one knows what you're even talking about. Fortunately, you're going to get banned soon anyway for repeatedly ignoring the rules and our moderator with this BS though so I guess it doesn't matter.

I hope no one gives this guy their email address. Not sure what he's up to but this is weird AF.

 

[yssie]

Tbf, there does seem to be a transpo/depot station in Shanghai. Perhaps the reason the Shanghai location can't provide more info is because they...don't...have...any?

Collection centre in Shanghai - Overview

In cooperation with professional service provider CGG, the Gübelin Gem Lab has opened a gemstone collection centre in Shanghai, to facilitate a convenient, fast and secure shuttle service between Shanghai and the Gübelin Gem Lab.

www.gubelingemlab.com

You’re right. There’s some sort of collection facility there. Thanks for the correction!

I will delete my original post so as not to confuse other readers.

 

[AnastasiaBeaverhausen]

This coy approach about stating whatever the hell your actual issue is is really just annoying. People are spending their time reading your many long, windy, loony posts and still no one knows what you're even talking about. Fortunately, you're going to get banned soon anyway for repeatedly ignoring the rules and our moderator with this BS though so I guess it doesn't matter.

I hope no one gives this guy their email address. Not sure what he's up to but this is weird AF.

I'm even more concerned how the OP is now directly all their attention to one particular PS member, asking for their email, etc. etc.

(Btw, I'm absolutely not suggesting that you feel the same way, @Autumn in New England! You sound like you have a great heart and might not be bothered at all by this poster. It's totally my own personal feelings regarding how squicky this whole situation looks.)

 

[seaurchin]

I'm even more concerned how the OP is now directly all their attention to one particular PS member, asking for their email, etc. etc.

(Btw, I'm absolutely not suggesting that you feel the same way, @Autumn in New England! You sound like you have a great heart and might not be bothered at all by this poster. It's totally my own personal feelings regarding how squicky this whole situation looks.)

I thought the same thing. It's like he's looking for a sympathetic target to lure off the public forum.

 

[AnastasiaBeaverhausen]

I thought the same thing. It's like he's looking for a sympathetic target to lure off the public forum.

Yes thank you! You've put into words exactly how I was feeling.

 

[Autumn in New England]

I appreciate that OP shared what he/she believes to be a potential concern with Gubelin Shanghai. But as everyone has so aptly pointed out, there's simply nothing we can do to assist. I'm curious by nature (and, yes, distrusting of powerful corporations and governmental bodies). So this story has intrigued me. But, at best, OP is wasting his/her time and energy imploring us to intercede, when he/she should be engaging an attorney. At worst, there is something more troubling going on here. Either way, while we can perhaps commiserate with OP, we can't cross certain boundaries here, even if we wanted to.

 

[Autumn in New England]

I'm even more concerned how the OP is now directly all their attention to one particular PS member, asking for their email, etc. etc.

(Btw, I'm absolutely not suggesting that you feel the same way, @Autumn in New England! You sound like you have a great heart and might not be bothered at all by this poster. It's totally my own personal feelings regarding how squicky this whole situation looks.)

I thought the same thing. It's like he's looking for a sympathetic target to lure off the public forum.

I totally understand where you're both coming from, and I appreciate that you're looking out for me. In fact, that's one of the things I love most about this forum... how protective veteran posters are of one another. But fear not, I would never share personal info with someone I am unfamiliar with. Hopefully I haven't irked fellow members by engaging OP. As I said, I'm just naturally inquisitive. Whatever seems to be happening with OP, if legitimate, I do hope he/she finds some relief or satisfaction.

 

[AnastasiaBeaverhausen]

I totally understand where you're both coming from, and I appreciate that you're looking out for me. In fact, that's one of the things I love most about this forum... how protective veteran posters are of one another. But fear not, I would never share personal info with someone I am unfamiliar with. Hopefully I haven't irked other members by engaging OP. As I said, I'm just naturally inquisitive. Whatever seems to be happening with OP, if legitimate, I do hope he/she finds some relief or satisfaction.

Two things:

1) I would never fault someone for being supportive (as long as they're not fanning the flames so to speak); and

2) Holy beans, am I a veteran PSer now? [Checks history] OMG I really could be. Lol, somehow this makes me feel oldz.