Bezel Ring Wearers: Does this look normal?

[Rfisher]

The latest detail is that the bezels will leave an imprint on the tip of my finger if I use even the very slightest pressure. None of the heads on my other rings will do this. They're pretty smooth. I did a comparison today.

are you meaning your fingertip touching the top of the ring (bezels) that you see upon normal viewing when worn, or are you talking about your fingertip touching the inside of the ring that sits against your finger?

If you are meaning the metal you see when looking top down at the ring being worn,
Is it an observation (in comparison to your other bezels you’ve mentioned) or is it something you also wish to be changed?



If you are wishing for bezels to be more like the bottom -
(No right/wrong here, just preferences. I think your current ones are very lovely)
definitely express those wishes to DK at the same time as paring down the shank to a rounder shape, and addressing the bottom of the gallery that sits against your finger.

Just thinking better off to speak on all aspects that are not working for you all up front.

Just throwing this out there-
Reworking a few areas may make budget sense. Adding a third aspect/ area to rework may not, and may point to re-casting instead.
He’ll be your guide on that, though.

 

[Lookinagain]

David did 9 of his own CAD's; plus sent me 3 different models. That's why getting things "just right" took so much time.

I think several of us have asked to see the CAD's. If there are 9, could we please see the last one. I agree, there is nothing negative to say about DK. He and Amy have made many, many rings for me. I'm not laying blame here, I, and I think some others, would just like to see the CAD that the ring was based on. Maybe we can figure something out from it. So far, we've only seen the computer model posted in your other thread that you seemed to be happy with after getting the wax from that jeweler. Maybe we can pinpoint the difference if we can see DK's CAD as well.

 

[Ionysis]

It really does look too small to me I’m afraid. The ring is imprinting on your finger, I can’t see how that could happen if it wasn’t squeezing your flesh.

 

[lissyflo]

Have you tried wearing the ring on a smaller finger to see if you experience the same issue? It looks like the same markings I get if my finger swells and makes a ring too tight. Moving it to another finger for a day might tell you whether it’s purely an allergy/roughness, or whether it’s the sizing that’s causing or exacerbating the problems.

(I think people’s issue with the lack of photos is that 95% of people nowadays spend 95% of their time with a mobile phone in hand, so photos are generally an instant turnaround type of affair. If you’re a non-camera phone user, maybe just explain that?)

 

[dk168]

I have not read all the posts, however, here is my own personal experience with my rings that are mostly bezel set.

My chubby fingers are fleshy and my rings do not need to be tight to make marks similar to the one as seen in the original post.

They need to be sufficiently tight to stay on the fingers as the fleshiest parts are bigger in circumference than the knuckles.

DK

 

[caolsen]

are you sure it isn't too small? It looks tight to me.

Ditto - that’s a ring that is too small for my money.

All this sharp angle discussion feels like a red herring. I have a PLT ring from David with a very similar, non comfort band, sharp, 90 degree whatever you want to call it build and have never experienced anything like that. The OP has said DKJ will adjust the ring, which is great. But that’s an aesthetic issue.

I have a ring that is too small and the exact same thing happens. Those are pressure mark….

Folks have to understand that if they design a ring with lots of small surface are contact points, like all those thin, fine detailed bezels you have to size it as to NOT apply pressure on those small edges. If you have finger swelling and the under gallery is open, the flesh will swell into the gap. Just like if you If you wear a cigar band too small, the flesh swells on the edges like a sausage.

We all have varying amounts of subcutaneous fat under our skin, we can’t all have long, bony fingers that never change size. And if you use your dominant hand at work that hand is going to easily be a size different from your nondom hand.

It’s PHYSICS, not some jewelry design conspiracy or poor craftsmanship.

If the OP ices the hand and they go away, it’s pressure marking. Custom rings take a while to make and the OP said this one took a good long while. Our hand sizes can change in that time.

I have a simple rule, forever rings ALWAYS get made a half to 3/4 size up I apply sizing beads for the size ‘now’ if that bump is too much. My knuckles and hands are only going to get bigger - thats my genetics and having broken my dominant hand more than a few times.

 

[elizat]

I think it looks too small.

A ring will always leave some mark just from using your hand even when it's properly fit.

I would smooth out the inside parts that are flat or sharp and size up!

 

[rainydaze]

starbrite I hear you when you say this ring was made larger than your others and I believe you. That said, the ring in my avatar is a bezel that is sized up to a half size larger than my 'real size' and occasionally it has left marks similar to yours. My finger fluctuates pretty widely, and can swell moderately to quite a bit when it gets a mind to. Sometimes it goes through all three modes in one day (slender, somewhat puffy, puffolicious). Sometimes it is loosey-goosey and hangs all crooked and off to the side. Sometimes it fits just right. Every now and then, my fingers swell and I get that mark from it, although I don't recall it feeling itchy or aggravating me in any way.

I say all of this in support to talking with David about it, and if he suggests sizing up another 1/4 size (or more?) it may be worth considering despite having already sized it larger.

I process things with emotion first. And I have trouble sorting through obstacles without emotion, which I have found complicates matters more. I am sensing the same may be true for you. It's who I am, and I can't feel badly about it, but I have realized the value in learning how to approach problems more pragmatically when called for and I do find it works out better. I understand wanting to get a handle on the potential cause before approaching David, however I would encourage you to view him as an ally who can use his experience to sort through your issue and find a solution. Lean on him; this is his job, his craft, and his body of knowledge. If you are not finding that what he has to offer feels right, or it's not feeling like he's working with you or hearing your concerns, then come here and ask for additional input. My advice, for whatever it's worth. I hope you are able to find a solution and wear your ring as intended!

(PS, I have also had to let go of the notion that something is forever and I have to get exactly-perfectly right the first time; sometimes that works out, sometimes it does not. This doesn't mean it's the end of the road. Just means you take a detour; if you are patient and open-minded and willing to embrace some twist and turns, you will still arrive at the destination.)

 

[donnabrsd]

@starbrite I have a friend that does not have a bezel set ring but does get irritation and indents similar to your original photo.

Her ring is not too tight, but after washing her hands she must remove her ring and dry her finger and ring. If not, her finger gets swollen, red and irritated under her ring. Due to the swelling, she also gets the indents making her ring appear that it's too tight.

I hope you find a resolution to the irritation so that you can enjoy wearing your lovely ring.

 

[yssie]

Ditto - that’s a ring that is too small for my money.

All this sharp angle discussion feels like a red herring. I have a PLT ring from David with a very similar, non comfort band, sharp, 90 degree whatever you want to call it build and have never experienced anything like that. The OP has said DKJ will adjust the ring, which is great. But that’s an aesthetic issue.

I have a ring that is too small and the exact same thing happens. Those are pressure mark….

Folks have to understand that if they design a ring with lots of small surface are contact points, like all those thin, fine detailed bezels you have to size it as to NOT apply pressure on those small edges. If you have finger swelling and the under gallery is open, the flesh will swell into the gap. Just like if you If you wear a cigar band too small, the flesh swells on the edges like a sausage.

We all have varying amounts of subcutaneous fat under our skin, we can’t all have long, bony fingers that never change size. And if you use your dominant hand at work that hand is going to easily be a size different from your nondom hand.

It’s PHYSICS, not some jewelry design conspiracy or poor craftsmanship.

If the OP ices the hand and they go away, it’s pressure marking. Custom rings take a while to make and the OP said this one took a good long while. Our hand sizes can change in that time.

I have a simple rule, forever rings ALWAYS get made a half to 3/4 size up I apply sizing beads for the size ‘now’ if that bump is too much. My knuckles and hands are only going to get bigger - thats my genetics and having broken my dominant hand more than a few times.

If edge sharpness was merely an aesthetic conversation “comfort fit” wouldn’t exist.

I have bands with sharp interior edges. Vintage pieces. All 1/2-3/4 over my normal size because I, like you, dislike tight rings. The edges on these bands irritate my finger, which is why I sandwich them between more comfortable bands. Simply sizing up doesn’t prevent this form of irritation for me, unfortunately, and may not for OP. Irritated skin swells, making any “just right” or “slightly too tight” rings fit even more tightly.
If a modern manufacturer gave me a ring with edges like my bands - I would consider it a defect and have them round them out. This has actually happened and the vendor (not Klass) was in agreement and happily did so. No conspiracies

Edit:
Sizing is a double-edged sword. With my bands, I made a choice to size up because I knew that
1. The interior edges couldn’t be rounded out without destroying the azures, and
2. Experience had taught me that the only way I can wear sharp-edged bands is by sandwiching them, so I needed to size for stacking.
If I didn’t sandwich these sharp edged bands, though, sizing up would have made my problem worse: A ring that spins and flops and twists is moving on the finger, and every shear just increases the irritation. A sharper-edged band that stays in place is less irritating to me than a sharp-edged band that moves.

 

[adlgel]

I haven't yet been able to figure out from the pictures if the marks on the skin are indentations (which would come from pressure) or a reaction on the skin itself or I guess perhaps both. @starbrite are you able to discern what the marks actually are?

 

[Cerulean]

I didn't post photos because I had no photos other than a couple of quick shots of the skin irritation. Those first two photos were totally impulse images done while I was actually shooting a work assignment. The ring annoyance that day reminded me that I had an ongoing problem and needed some advice.

However, beyond the initial image, I pretty much only had words at that time to explain the situation. I apologize to all for being a bother... I suppose I shouldn't initiated a vague thread that was originally meant to help me understand if my problem was truly a problem or if it was instead something relatively common with this type of multi bezel ring.

Maybe I should have originally also posted the other random photo I had taken with the ring on; which somewhat shows how bezel irritation can also extend up my finger as the ring moves up and down. Irritation was worse underneath the ring. Taken later after the ring had been off for a while, that's what I posted.

Merely looking at my ring's interior photos (sent yesterday) that shows detail, I still really only see a pretty ring. However, Yssie has been helpful in pointing out more to explain what I've been feeling. It makes sense.

Yes, this entire "once-in-a-lifetime" journey of custom making last year's anniversary ring has been challenging. Unfortunately, it's not over yet. It won't be over until I have a ring I can wear.

At the rate things are going, I'll probably be wearing my new ring, now being made for this year's anniversary, before last year's anniversary ring. Knock on wood, that ring will be problem free. I expect it will be.

I've been very lucky in the past where I've had several custom rings designed & made without even a hint of any sort of problems. No outside opinions needed. Just me, my husband, and the jeweler. That was what I had originally had expected again. Of course, my previous experiences were in a face to face, real life situation; not a remote or cyber world. Etc, etc, etc.

Anyhow, being a member for only 9 months, the ins & outs of Pricescope has been relatively new territory for me. I provide photos when I have them. If I need additional photos for others to understand more, I will try to take them... as soon as I can. In this case, it took me 48 hours. When I first had my initial question about experiencing skin irritation from a bezel ring, I really didn't realize that I would need to show photos of the interior of the ring. So I had none. My bad.

A profile photo (non glamour) will come as soon as I can find the time to shoot one.

This photo (a very ugly one of a beautiful ring) shows additional marks from the bezels above the bezels as the ring moves on my finger. It was taken before the original image at the beginning of the post that showed directly under the head of the ring as you see it sitting here. I had had the ring off for a while before I shot that under-the-band image.

I’m not admonishing you at all. It’s just that people told you what you needed to share to help, it felt like in the time you spent writing posts snapping a few quick photos would have been a cinch. Anyways...no point in me going on about it.

I know this has been an emotional journey - trust me, many of us understand, myself included. After cancelling my wedding and honeymoon this year, I had my e-ring redone to make up for it. Well, the fully custom ring had a design flaw that left painful red marks on my finger, not unlike your problem but for different reasons. So I had it remade, new design, new designer. Was it stressful and expensive and all around horrible? Of course it was.

Why do I mention this? The point is, you can carry the emotional baggage of the stressful experience and keep rehashing over and over how you missed your expected deadline, or you can let it go with two hands and focus on how you’re going to solve the problem and sit back and attend to the advice people here are giving you instead of digging in your heels into how bad the journey was. I just feel like if you keep carrying the negativity about what went wrong it’s never going to get better.

You have gorgeous diamonds, a beautiful design, and now you need to figure out how to practically make it better. Stop wearing it, as it looks very painful. I’m sorry this has been hard, but chin up because it’s resolvable I’m sure.

 

[starbrite]

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Can you please post a profile pic? Is it possible that the angle of the top arch is causing the donuts to dig into your finger?

Does this photo help? Although the not best quality photo, I have the ring on the finger on which I would normally wear it.

 

[jaaron]

Hi Starbrite. I'm sorry you're having this issue. Looking at the picture on the previous page, it looks like the diamonds sort of curve over the sides of your finger against the sides of the fingers on either side. If the ring isn't too small, but is actually sort of loose, I'm wondering if the fingers on either side are ending up moving the band around? I would think a constantly moving, heavy ring could definitely cause swelling and irritation. Hope you figure it out!

 

[icy_jade]

I didn't post photos because I had no photos other than a couple of quick shots of the skin irritation. Those first two photos were totally impulse images done while I was actually shooting a work assignment. The ring annoyance that day reminded me that I had an ongoing problem and needed some advice.

However, beyond the initial image, I pretty much only had words at that time to explain the situation. I apologize to all for being a bother... I suppose I shouldn't initiated a vague thread that was originally meant to help me understand if my problem was truly a problem or if it was instead something relatively common with this type of multi bezel ring.

Maybe I should have originally also posted the other random photo I had taken with the ring on; which somewhat shows how bezel irritation can also extend up my finger as the ring moves up and down. Irritation was worse underneath the ring. Taken later after the ring had been off for a while, that's what I posted.

Merely looking at my ring's interior photos (sent yesterday) that shows detail, I still really only see a pretty ring. However, Yssie has been helpful in pointing out more to explain what I've been feeling. It makes sense.

Yes, this entire "once-in-a-lifetime" journey of custom making last year's anniversary ring has been challenging. Unfortunately, it's not over yet. It won't be over until I have a ring I can wear.

At the rate things are going, I'll probably be wearing my new ring, now being made for this year's anniversary, before last year's anniversary ring. Knock on wood, that ring will be problem free. I expect it will be.

I've been very lucky in the past where I've had several custom rings designed & made without even a hint of any sort of problems. No outside opinions needed. Just me, my husband, and the jeweler. That was what I had originally had expected again. Of course, my previous experiences were in a face to face, real life situation; not a remote or cyber world. Etc, etc, etc.

Anyhow, being a member for only 9 months, the ins & outs of Pricescope has been relatively new territory for me. I provide photos when I have them. If I need additional photos for others to understand more, I will try to take them... as soon as I can. In this case, it took me 48 hours. When I first had my initial question about experiencing skin irritation from a bezel ring, I really didn't realize that I would need to show photos of the interior of the ring. So I had none. My bad.

A profile photo (non glamour) will come as soon as I can find the time to shoot one.

This photo (a very ugly one of a beautiful ring) shows additional marks from the bezels above the bezels as the ring moves on my finger. It was taken before the original image at the beginning of the post that showed directly under the head of the ring as you see it sitting here. I had had the ring off for a while before I shot that under-the-band image.

The skin looks red and irritated? Could it be some allergy to whatever is in the metal mix? Maybe not the platinum but the gold decorative scroll part?

 

[starbrite]

are you meaning your fingertip touching the top of the ring (bezels) that you see upon normal viewing when worn, or are you talking about your fingertip touching the inside of the ring that sits against your finger?

If you are meaning the metal you see when looking top down at the ring being worn,
Is it an observation (in comparison to your other bezels you’ve mentioned) or is it something you also wish to be changed?



If you are wishing for bezels to be more like the bottom -
(No right/wrong here, just preferences. I think your current ones are very lovely)
definitely express those wishes to DK at the same time as paring down the shank to a rounder shape, and addressing the bottom of the gallery that sits against your finger.

Just thinking better off to speak on all aspects that are not working for you all up front.

Just throwing this out there-
Reworking a few areas may make budget sense. Adding a third aspect/ area to rework may not, and may point to re-casting instead.
He’ll be your guide on that, though.

I mean the inside of the bezels. See attachment with all the marks. However, if at all possible, I’m hoping to keep the general design the same as it is now. However as you said, as soon as I can a little better understand the problem to be able to explain it, DK will then decide what is the best solution to solve it.

 

[starbrite]

I think several of us have asked to see the CAD's. If there are 9, could we please see the last one. I agree, there is nothing negative to say about DK. He and Amy have made many, many rings for me. I'm not laying blame here, I, and I think some others, would just like to see the CAD that the ring was based on. Maybe we can figure something out from it. So far, we've only seen the computer model posted in your other thread that you seemed to be happy with after getting the wax from that jeweler. Maybe we can pinpoint the difference if we can see DK's CAD as well.

Yes, I really did like the bezels and filigree on that CAD. However, the shank was always a major problem with the original jeweler’s design. She never did get it right. She was supposed to again change the shank, but as you know, I took my White Flash diamonds and moved on first.

Although David used that image as an inspiration photo, he put his own spin on the design. He made several changes with different CAD’s over 4 ½ months. Getting the design “just right” was a slow process, but I never felt stressed with him like I did with the original jeweler. He’s very easy to work with. A 3rd model from him was made after his last CAD (with changes) and then, another change to the shank was supposed to be made in the actual finished ring. So I’m afraid that an old CAD would not be as insightful as the photos of the finished ring.

 

[starbrite]

Hi Starbrite. I'm sorry you're having this issue. Looking at the picture on the previous page, it looks like the diamonds sort of curve over the sides of your finger against the sides of the fingers on either side. If the ring isn't too small, but is actually sort of loose, I'm wondering if the fingers on either side are ending up moving the band around? I would think a constantly moving, heavy ring could definitely cause swelling and irritation. Hope you figure it out!

Good point.

 

[Fabulous50]

Hi @starbrite - I was wondering if you found a solution for this gorgeous band, to fit you without discomfort?