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Calling all feminists...what next?

@OboeGal brings up a good point about the Supreme Court. Elections aren’t just about the person at the top, it’s about all the change they can do for your country. Biden may not be your first choice, but as a feminist do you want another conservative Supreme Court judge? The republicans already don’t give a shit about women’s choices, that could be devastating to future generations of women. Far longer lasting than 4-8 years.
 
telephone89 said:
@OboeGal brings up a good point about the Supreme Court. Elections aren’t just about the person at the top, it’s about all the change they can do for your country. Biden may not be your first choice, but as a feminist do you want another conservative Supreme Court judge? The republicans already don’t give a shit about women’s choices, that could be devastating to future generations of women. Far longer lasting than 4-8 years.
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You are advocating cherry-picking sexism/sexual assault. He still needs to face the accusations and be accountable. The same rules apply.
 
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Bonfire said:
You are advocating cherry-picking sexism/sexual assault. He still needs to face the accusations and be accountable. The same rules apply.
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I’m not advocating anything, nor cherry picking anything. I didn’t say anything that Reid shouldn’t have her day in court.

But it is a fact that republicans are trying to strip women’s rights. And it is a fact that a democrat president will get to nominate a democratic SC judge.
 
Bonfire said:
You are advocating cherry-picking sexism/sexual assault. He still needs to face the accusations and be accountable. The same rules apply.
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The Dems play by a different set of rules. I'm not saying Biden is guilty of anything but he should come out and defend himself.
 
I don't think this new development has been posted in this thread ... it strikes me as very harmful to the Biden campaign.

www.npr.org

New Information Emerges Around Biden Sexual Assault Allegation

A former neighbor recalled to NPR that Tara Reade relayed the same detailed accusation against the then-senator many years ago. Many Democratic officials say they believe Biden did not assault Reade.
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kenny said:
I don't think this new development has been posted in this thread ... it strikes me as very harmful to the Biden campaign.

www.npr.org

New Information Emerges Around Biden Sexual Assault Allegation

A former neighbor recalled to NPR that Tara Reade relayed the same detailed accusation against the then-senator many years ago. Many Democratic officials say they believe Biden did not assault Reade.
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Idk how harmful it will be if most of the die hard feminists are willing to look the other way. Where are our Pussy hats now? What happens if he wins? Do we replace pussy hats with finger hats?
 
I think as women, we must face a very painful truth...in the world of powerful men, sexual assault means nothing. I mean, absolutely nothing. They will put on a show to save face, but in the end, there are no consequences and these men will go on to become whatever “their destiny” has predicted.

These powerful men have been assaulting women all along, it just hasn’t been made public. Once Trump proudly proclaimed it and the me too movement occurred, we thought there would be retribution. Let’s face it, times haven’t changed. When it comes to powerful men, we’re still back in the days of Anita Hill.

This should be a wake up call to feminists.

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What is wrong with the DNC? Are they all on crack? Do they intentionally want to lose against Trump? Do they not realize that millennials are a moral bunch who will not vote for Biden? Do they not see that women will not vote for Biden and that Trump has already won the election?

Biden should step down. They should insert a new candidate, if that is even possible. This is a mess. This is why I’m independent, because the DNC has no clue what it is doing.
 
kenny said:
I don't think this new development has been posted in this thread ... it strikes me as very harmful to the Biden campaign.

www.npr.org

New Information Emerges Around Biden Sexual Assault Allegation

A former neighbor recalled to NPR that Tara Reade relayed the same detailed accusation against the then-senator many years ago. Many Democratic officials say they believe Biden did not assault Reade.
www.npr.org www.npr.org
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Wow.


House Cat said:
Biden should step down. They should insert a new candidate, if that is even possible. This is a mess. This is why I’m independent, because the DNC has no clue what it is doing.
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Yes. I don't think it is too late. It isn't too late til the election is over IMO.

These women need their day in court before Biden gets elected and we do need an alternative choice. Unless his VP candidate is a good choice and then she can take over. That might be the best we can hope for. Very upsetting to read this latest allegation and all his alleged victims need their day in court.


House Cat said:
These powerful men have been assaulting women all along, it just hasn’t been made public. Once Trump proudly proclaimed it and the me too movement occurred, we thought there would be retribution. Let’s face it, times haven’t changed. When it comes to powerful men, we’re still back in the days of Anita Hill.

This should be a wake up call to feminists.
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Agreed. It's a very dark time for many reasons. And my arms are tired from holding up the signs we were holding up in the sixties. C'mon already. This is not OK. :x2
 
As a woman in my 6th decade, it disheartens me that this is still where we are today. @House Cat I agree with what you are saying. To allow Biden a pass because Trump is so much worse and to say the Republicans wage war on women therefore this can be ignored or down played. Democrats are pro women’s rights so in the bigger picture we’ll tolerate a little sexual assault from a Democrat, because Republicans are worse, is not a true feminist. Stop making excuses for ANY man in power who sexually assaults women.
 
Another person's perspective: https://www.usatoday.com/story/opin...CBNa1R3UufYM5p5b25xCSX2QX0X2lHfH4myKS8VCbe0xE

And a little more - read the link in the updates - https://medium.com/@eddiekrassenste...assault-allegations-of-joe-biden-e4cb3ee38460

Now, I'm not saying the assault didn't happen. But the inconsistencies of her story do bother me, including her brother's statements, and also the accusations of theft from the non-profit. Accusations of theft does not mean she was not assaulted, of course, but she doesn't seem particularly stable to me, and I'm not ready just yet to believe this particular woman.
 
@missy ...from where the above link stopped (I just paid for a subscription to the Daily Beast just for you so I could get the entire article. Send me Bubbalah to show your gratitude :bigsmile:)


But that’s no reason to ignore Tara Reade. It could be that Reade’s initial accusation wasn’t backed by much evidence beyond her word, but as more reporting on her story emerges, that defense doesn’t hold water anymore. Or it could be that partisans of all stripes have a difficult time applying the same moral standards to people on both sides of the aisle. Or some combination of the three.

A year ago, Reade alleged that her former boss subjected her to an atmosphere of harassment and unwanted touching that made her uncomfortable enough to file a complaint. More recently, Reade appeared on a podcast and said that Biden sexually assaulted her during that time, and that when she complained, she was fired. Although she said she told people about both allegations, corroboration of the second part of her story was pretty thin.

But this week, a former neighbor of Reade’s came forward to say that Reade had told her about the alleged sexual assault in the mid-1990s. And then there’s the old Larry King Live footage of a caller who sounds a lot like Tara Reade’s late mother discussing her daughter’s problems working for a senator, which apparently confirms Reade’s account that she told her mother about the harassment.
Allegations as serious as sexual assault should be taken seriously enough to be investigated, but not so credulously that the accusations themselves stand as proof enough that what the accuser says happened actually happened. False accusations can and have been weaponized (recall during Alabama’s 2017 Senate election, when an activist group tried and failed to plant a fake sexual-assault story in The Washington Post in order to discredit the paper). But Reade’s allegations against Biden are being vetted by journalists as we speak, and during the #MeToo era we have treated much thinner allegations against other men with much more seriousness. Biden should not get let off the hook.

There is enough information here for me to confidently conclude that Tara Reade believes—and believed 27 years ago—that Biden’s office was a hostile place for her to work. I cannot say confidently that I believe Joe Biden sexually assaulted Tara Reade. But I cannot say confidently that I believe he did not. The Biden camp’s talking points are that Reade is lying.

This whole situation is, to use a technical term, “a real shit sandwich.”

Even without Reade’s allegations, we knew Biden had some cleaning up to do when it comes to women. Biden’s still-unresolved treatment of Anita Hill still leaves a sour taste in some feminists’ mouths, and his waffling on the Hyde amendment is troublesome. And, Christ, the opportunity costs! Democrats had other candidates to pick from. Bernie Sanders, Elizabeth Warren, Mayor Pete, Cory Booker, Julian Castro, Kamala Harris—all of them had weaknesses, but none of their weaknesses were a reputation for being “weird with the ladies.” We could have picked one of them.

But we didn’t. And here we are: If you care about women, there is no choice but to treat Tara Reade’s allegations seriously. And if you care about women, there is no candidate to vote for in November but Joe Biden.

The situation we find ourselves in now is miles from ideal. But I’m certainly not going to vote for Donald Trump, a pussy-grabbing, teen beauty-pageant changing-room interloper who has been accused of sexual assault—up to and including rape—by 25 women and whose policies make life worse for pretty much everybody who isn’t a billionaire or in Trump’s immediate family. And I’m not going to cross my arms and stay home, like that’ll accomplish anything at all except giving myself something insufferable to brag about at parties as Trump spends another four years throwing babies in cages, publicly getting into spats with powerful black women as a way to score political points with his knuckle-dragging base, and drilling for oil in national parks.

I could vote for a third party, I suppose, or I could just go into my office and yell MEDICARE FOR ALL! into my designated screaming pillow; both moves will be equally effective in preventing Donald Trump from appointing the next four years’ worth of federal judges who will decide whether people have more of a right to their gun collection than women have a right to their own bodies.

Sexual-assault allegations should be disqualifying for a political candidate under normal circumstances. But nothing has been normal since Trump rode down that escalator and into the presidential race in 2015. And anybody who claims otherwise is, to paraphrase Tarana Burke, using sexual assault as “a political football.”
Which is to say: If you claim, with a straight face, that Reade’s accusations (if they are true) should disqualify Biden in a race against Trump, you don’t actually care about sexual assault at all. You care about Joe Biden losing.

https://www.pricescope.com/community/javascript:void(0)
 
“Which is to say: If you claim, with a straight face, that Reade’s accusations (if they are true) should disqualify Biden in a race against Trump, you don’t actually care about sexual assault at all. You care about Joe Biden losing.“


Not a disqualifier but not swept away.
 
@Bonfire I'm confused by your posts in this thread. You clearly object to nominating Biden because of this accusation, but you did not have the same feelings about Kavanaugh or Trump and supported both of them. Why the sudden change of heart?
 
I am no expert in this election process. I started this thread with a couple of suggestions. Clear his name or replace him. Is it impossible to replace him? Is it impossible for him to step down? I find it hard to believe that it is impossible, so what legal or political BS is leading many of us liberal feminists to not demand a candidate that represents our ideals better? I’m not asking to be divisive. I really don’t know the answer to this.
 
telephone89 said:
@Bonfire I'm confused by your posts in this thread. You clearly object to nominating Biden because of this accusation, but you did not have the same feelings about Kavanaugh or Trump and supported both of them. Why the sudden change of heart?
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Incorrect, I did NOT support either of them.
Yes I wanted a different candidate as the nominee. However, I’m not advocating using Reade’s accusation to be rid of Biden, just not willing to overlook one male’s ‘transgressions‘ due to party affiliation.
 
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Bonfire said:
Incorrect, I did NOT support either of them.
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I withdraw my comment on Kavanaugh, as I do see previous posts about that. Apologies for thinking that, I don't want to make false statements!
 
telephone89 said:
I withdraw my comment on Kavanaugh, as I do see previous posts about that. Apologies for thinking that, I don't want to make false statements!
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Apology excepted.
 
nala said:
I am no expert in this election process. I started this thread with a couple of suggestions. Clear his name or replace him. Is it impossible to replace him? Is it impossible for him to step down? I find it hard to believe that it is impossible, so what legal or political BS is leading many of us liberal feminists to not demand a candidate that represents our ideals better? I’m not asking to be divisive. I really don’t know the answer to this.
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The DNC can nominate anyone they want if the delegates agree. Even someone who didn't win the primaries. I suspect there is a a huge democratic contingent who is pushing for Andrew Cuomo to step up to be the Presidential candidate. Andrew Cuomo doesn't appear to be interested. But who knows what is going on behind the scenes. Without a doubt he does have Presidential aspirations.

In any case I hope the DNC is working furiously to find a (more) suitable candidate.

Just my thoughts on this. There is no reason Biden cannot be replaced at this stage as far as I know.
 
missy said:
The DNC can nominate anyone they want if the delegates agree. Even someone who didn't win the primaries. I suspect there is a a huge democratic contingent who is pushing for Andrew Cuomo to step up to be the Presidential candidate. Andrew Cuomo doesn't appear to be interested. But who knows what is going on behind the scenes. Without a doubt he does have Presidential aspirations.

In any case I hope the DNC is working furiously to find a (more) suitable candidate.

Just my thoughts on this. There is no reason Biden cannot be replaced at this stage as far as I know.
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Thank you Missy! Your words give me hope!!!
 
If Biden should be disqualified due to this allegation so should Trump due to the many allegations against him; otherwise any discussion about hypocrisy in this thread is hypocritical.

Perfect is the enemy of the good.
 
For those who feel all hope is lost if Biden stays:

It takes a little time sometimes
To get your feet back on the ground
It takes a little time sometimes
To get the Titanic turned back around
It takes a little time sometimes
But baby, you're not goin' down
It takes more than you got right now
Give it, give it time
What's this walkin' through my door?
I know I've seen the look before
Sometimes in faces on the street
Sometimes in the mirror looking back at me
You can't fix this pain with money
You can't rush a weary soul
You can't sweep it under the rug, now honey
It don't take a lot to know
It takes a little time sometimes
To get your feet back on the ground
It takes a little time sometimes
To get the Titanic turned back around
It takes a little time sometimes
But baby, you're not goin' down
It takes more than you got right now
Give it, give it time
Yeah, give it time
Well, it may not be over by morning
Rome wasn't built in a day
You can name that thing a thousand times
And it won't make it go away
Let me put my arms around you
And hold you while you weep
We've been talkin'
And you know what, I'm sick of this talk
And it's nothin' that won't keep
It takes a little time sometimes
To get your feet back on the ground
It takes a little time sometimes
To turn the Titanic around
It takes a little time sometimes
But baby, you're not going down
It takes more than you got right now
Give it, give it time
It takes a little more time, more time
(Turn the Titanic around) turn it around, around, around
(Baby, you're not goin' down) takes a little time sometimes
You can't fix this pain with money
You can't rush a weary soul
You can't sweep it under the rug now, honey
It don't take a lot to know (know)
It takes a little time sometimes
To get your feet back on the ground
It takes a little time sometimes
To turn the Titanic around
It takes a little time sometimes
But baby, you're not goin' down
You got things to think of now
So give it, give it time
Give it, give it time
It takes a little time sometimes, yeah
It takes a little time sometimes
It takes a little time
To get your feet back on the ground
Baby, you're not goin' down

Source: LyricFind
Songwriters: Amy Grant / Wayne Kirkpatrick
 
Matata said:
If Biden should be disqualified due to this allegation so should Trump due to the many allegations against him; otherwise any discussion about hypocrisy in this thread is hypocritical.

Perfect is the enemy of the good.
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Then we need to stop using the sexual predator card against Trump and throw away our pussy hats bc like you said, these are just allegations....or we are just that, hypocrites.
 
nala said:
Then we need to stop using the sexual predator card against Trump and throw away our pussy hats
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No we don't. That's cutting off noses to spite faces. We need to keep using the sexual predator card against Trump because that is what he is but we need to consistently use it against all other sexual predators and keep wearing those hats.
 
Matata said:
No we don't. That's cutting off noses to spite faces. We need to keep using the sexual predator card against Trump because that is what he is but we need to consistently use it against all other sexual predators and keep wearing those hats.
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Alleged. He is an alleged sexual predator.
 
Hi,

I am trying to figure out how a man can penetrate a woman digitally without a big tussle going on. It is inconceivable to me that a woman would not report something like that. Rape by Penis seems different somehow. Women think they are to blame often and don't report it, but this seems so icky. Did he pull her panties down. I can't get my mind behind this yet. I get Trump, he tries to kiss them, and grope them but this I just think it would be reported. When I read this, I believed her less. I think its disgusting. I might not have reported harassment or maybe even a rape, but I would have reported this.

I have had many conflicts in my mind during my life. I really don't care if I am called a hypocrite. Most of us are not consistent all the time. I will still vote for Biden.

Annette
 
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