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Apparently it traveled through a blood vessel, landed in his heart & the guy has now suffered a mild heart attack.

Geez, I wonder if a Pres or VP ever killed anyone in more modern times? His condition isn''t so good anymore.
 
Date: 2/14/2006 3:32:19 PM
Author: fire&ice
Apparently it traveled through a blood vessel, landed in his heart & the guy has now suffered a mild heart attack.

"The account given yesterday by doctors caring for the Texas lawyer accidentally shot by Vice President Dick Cheney last weekend raises serious questions about how and when a pellet entered his heart and what tests were done to establish where the pellet was lodged, doctors not connected with his case said.

Although the public was told for the first time yesterday that a shotgun pellet from a hunting accident had lodged in the lawyer''s heart, one of his doctors said that "we knew that he had some birdshot very close to the heart from the get-go," but not its precise location.

Such evidence would have come from standard chest X-rays and a CT scan if one was performed shortly after his admission to a hospital in Corpus Christi, Tex.

Earlier accounts described as minor the pellet wounds that the lawyer, Harry M. Whittington, suffered in the face, neck, chest and ribs.

Mr. Cheney sprayed Mr. Whittington, 78, with 6 to 200 pieces of birdshot, the doctors said yesterday. One pellet apparently moved to damage his heart, causing two problems: an abnormal heart rhythm, atrial fibrillation, and a minor heart attack that were detected early yesterday morning, the doctors said in a news conference at Christus Spohn Hospital in Corpus Christi.

Their account left open the source of the birdshot that migrated to the heart and how it got there.

Dr. O. Wayne Isom, the chairman of heart and chest surgery at Weill Cornell Medical College, said it was unlikely that a pellet would migrate to the heart through the bloodstream, as some have assumed from the account of the Texas doctors.

The reason, Dr. Isom said, is that the pellet would have to enter a vein, travel to and through the lung vessels that go to the heart, and then lodge in heart tissue, not in one of its chambers. The pellets were approximately five millimeters, about the size of a BB, and larger than most blood vessels, said Dr. David Blanchard, director of emergency services at the hospital.

A more likely explanation, Dr. Isom said, is that the pellet lodged in or touched the heart when Mr. Whittington was shot."


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makes more sense.
 
Date: 2/15/2006 6:56:59 AM
Author: AGBF



Date: 2/14/2006 3:32:19 PM

Author: fire&ice

Apparently it traveled through a blood vessel, landed in his heart & the guy has now suffered a mild heart attack.


''The account given yesterday by doctors caring for the Texas lawyer accidentally shot by Vice President Dick Cheney last weekend raises serious questions about how and when a pellet entered his heart and what tests were done to establish where the pellet was lodged, doctors not connected with his case said.


Although the public was told for the first time yesterday that a shotgun pellet from a hunting accident had lodged in the lawyer''s heart, one of his doctors said that ''we knew that he had some birdshot very close to the heart from the get-go,'' but not its precise location.


Such evidence would have come from standard chest X-rays and a CT scan if one was performed shortly after his admission to a hospital in Corpus Christi, Tex.


Earlier accounts described as minor the pellet wounds that the lawyer, Harry M. Whittington, suffered in the face, neck, chest and ribs.


Mr. Cheney sprayed Mr. Whittington, 78, with 6 to 200 pieces of birdshot, the doctors said yesterday. One pellet apparently moved to damage his heart, causing two problems: an abnormal heart rhythm, atrial fibrillation, and a minor heart attack that were detected early yesterday morning, the doctors said in a news conference at Christus Spohn Hospital in Corpus Christi.


Their account left open the source of the birdshot that migrated to the heart and how it got there.


Dr. O. Wayne Isom, the chairman of heart and chest surgery at Weill Cornell Medical College, said it was unlikely that a pellet would migrate to the heart through the bloodstream, as some have assumed from the account of the Texas doctors.


The reason, Dr. Isom said, is that the pellet would have to enter a vein, travel to and through the lung vessels that go to the heart, and then lodge in heart tissue, not in one of its chambers. The pellets were approximately five millimeters, about the size of a BB, and larger than most blood vessels, said Dr. David Blanchard, director of emergency services at the hospital.


A more likely explanation, Dr. Isom said, is that the pellet lodged in or touched the heart when Mr. Whittington was shot.''



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They would not be 5mm someone dont now what they are talking about.
There have been cases of bigger things than them traveling thru veins.
What happened almost has to be exackly that it traveled thru a vein.
The texas docs knew what they were talking about.
It is why people with even minor shotgun wounds with birdshot are kept in the hospital 2-3 days for observation.
They dont always show up on ct and xrays.
bird shot even at close range doesnt have the energy to penatrate that far.
 
btw 5mm would have been buckshot and at 30 yards would have killed him instantly.
Birdshot is much much smaller.
 
7½ .100" (2.41 mm)
Thats how big it would be.
There accounts of 22lr bullets traveling in veins and they are about 5.5mm


BBB .190" (4.83 mm) would be the closest to 5mm and there are only 45 of them in a typical load so they arent used for upland game hunting.
 
Date: 2/15/2006 10:47:23 AM
Author: strmrdr
btw 5mm would have been buckshot and at 30 yards would have killed him instantly.

Birdshot is much much smaller.

You never cease to amaze me. You are a font of information about guns and their accoutrements and you aren''t so bad with EMT information, either!

Deb
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Date: 2/15/2006 6:15:51 PM
Author: AGBF



Date: 2/15/2006 10:47:23 AM

Author: strmrdr

btw 5mm would have been buckshot and at 30 yards would have killed him instantly.


Birdshot is much much smaller.


You never cease to amaze me. You are a font of information about guns and their accoutrements and you aren't so bad with EMT information, either!


Deb

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can do a nice emergency airway too.
find soft spot, cut , tube, and tape :}
I don't like blood so never followed up on it.
Have never ran into the need to do one for real either.
Back in my day they taught you how to do em as well as gunshot treatment in ROTC in high school then the scouts had less gruesome training.
Did have to treat a boken arm in the woods and transport out to medical help once.
Luckily it wasnt compound and it stayed that way.
Duct tape and wood makes a good splint.
 
Date: 2/15/2006 9:33:43 PM
Author: strmrdr

Back in my day they taught you how to do em as well as gunshot treatment in ROTC in high school then the scouts had less gruesome training.

Did have to treat a boken arm in the woods and transport out to medical help once.

Luckily it wasnt compound and it stayed that way.

Duct tape and wood makes a good splint.

You remind me of the boyfriend I had who had been a deer hunter. He could do anyhing physical. There is no one with whom I would rather be stranded on a desert island! He had been in the Coast Guard and around boats all his life, so he was into boating safety as well as being a lifeguard, a Boy Scout leader, etcetera. He had a hand gun (I went with him when he renewed his permit) which he called a "side arm" and always carried a knife. He said one never knew when one would have to cut a seat belt (or whatever). Once, during a swim race, he used it to get a swimmer whose bathing suit had gotten caught on a motorboat's propeller, free. He cut the swimsuit away from the guy's body! I don't know why it took me until now to realize you and he had a lot in common. Maybe because he isn't political or religious and here on a board where one uses the written word, ideas are more dominant than physical attributes.


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Date: 2/17/2006 3:59:01 AM
Author: AGBF


Date: 2/15/2006 9:33:43 PM

Author: strmrdr


Back in my day they taught you how to do em as well as gunshot treatment in ROTC in high school then the scouts had less gruesome training.


Did have to treat a boken arm in the woods and transport out to medical help once.


Luckily it wasnt compound and it stayed that way.


Duct tape and wood makes a good splint.


You remind me of the boyfriend I had who had been a deer hunter. He could do anyhing physical. There is no one with whom I would rather be stranded on a desert island! He had been in the Coast Guard and around boats all his life, so he was into boating safety as well as being a lifeguard, a Boy Scout leader, etcetera. He had a hand gun (I went with him when he renewed his permit) which he called a ''side arm'' and always carried a knife. He said one never knew when one would have to cut a seat belt (or whatever). Once, during a swim race, he used it to get a swimmer whose bathing suit had gotten caught on a motorboat''s propeller, free. He cut the swimsuit away from the guy''s body! I don''t know why it took me until now to realize you and he had a lot in common. Maybe because he isn''t political or religious and here on a board where one uses the written word, ideas are more dominant than physical attributes.



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sounds like a kewl guy.
Im too beat up now days to do much of it but 15 years and 75lbs ago I used to go out into the woods by myself with just some fishing line and hooks, cig lighter, knife or 3, water purifier and a space blanket and stay out for a week.
Cant do that now days but still know how :{
Adult onset asthma and 2 dvt takes a lot out of a person........ :{
now im bummed out :{
I want to do a week in the woods again.
 
Hey Storm, what kind of survival things could you do with a diamond? And would it have to be ideal cut?
 
Date: 2/17/2006 5:21:02 PM
Author: glitterata
Hey Storm, what kind of survival things could you do with a diamond? And would it have to be ideal cut?

hehehehehehehe
it would make a pretty good fishing lure.
Some of them actualy use cz diamond cuts just for that.
 
Date: 2/17/2006 5:38:09 PM
Author: strmrdr

Date: 2/17/2006 5:21:02 PM
Author: glitterata
Hey Storm, what kind of survival things could you do with a diamond? And would it have to be ideal cut?

hehehehehehehe
it would make a pretty good fishing lure.
Some of them actualy use cz diamond cuts just for that.
How ''McGyver'' of you
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