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I think nose studs should follow the same general rule of thumb as regular rings... if it''s wider than the span of your finger (or nostril) it''s probably too big
And as one of the pierced and tattooed youth of America I know how frustrating peoples reactions can be. Trust me, most people still care what others think. I know I just decided not to make decisions based on what other people think, it still hurts when people say rude things or make assumptions about my character based on the number of holes in my ears.
And as one of the pierced and tattooed youth of America I know how frustrating peoples reactions can be. Trust me, most people still care what others think. I know I just decided not to make decisions based on what other people think, it still hurts when people say rude things or make assumptions about my character based on the number of holes in my ears.
Well, I hate to inform you, but many people will not hire someone with obvious tattoos or piercings other than ears. Or they will require you to cover them up. It just doesn't project professionalism. Just like in sales where they highly recommend men not have facial hair. So, you may be expressing yourself, but not everyone sees it the same way. Not to mention some body parts get infected easily when pierced. I know someone whose doctor told her to remove her naval piercing when pregnant because the infection rate is very high and as it gets stretched it could and probably would open up and get infected which could affect the baby as it would probably get into the blood stream. I've had others tell me their doctors told them the same thing about getting their belly button pierced. What I've seen at the beach is a lot of fake belly button piercings which doesnt' look much different and is a lot safer.
BTW, my grandmother got her ears pierced at 75 and my mom at 40 after they saw myself, sisters and cousins all get ours done by 14. When they were growing up, only "cheap" girls did it. I don't think body piercings (other than belly button maybe) will ever be the "norm".
BTW, my grandmother got her ears pierced at 75 and my mom at 40 after they saw myself, sisters and cousins all get ours done by 14. When they were growing up, only "cheap" girls did it. I don't think body piercings (other than belly button maybe) will ever be the "norm".
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Not to offend you momoftwo but are you an older woman?? My guess would be yes. I have worked at professional companies for the past five years and piercings/tattoos have never been a problem. Firstly I have 3 tattoos but I CAN cover them if need be and the great thing about piercings?? Well they come out. And then go back in when you leave work. But honestly that whole attitude of piercings being total devient to mainstream culture and not getting a decent job....come on. Yes jobs where your main function, like sales, is to interact with other people...jobs where your going to the the "face" of the company then yes they will probably NOT hire you. If you are working a job where customers do not need to SEE you.....ie.....pretty much any computer job, it has been my expierience that they don''t care as long as overall you look presentable. I dress VERY nice and presentable to work. People don''t even the notice the piercing or tattoo first, they notice my OVERALL appearance. As far as piercings not being the norm....ok you mentioned the belly button. I have met T O N S of girls from 14 to 53 to have thier belly buttons pierced. I would say next comes the nostril. I have seen super conservative bubble gum looking girls with thier nostril pierced. I would say next comes the eyebrow then it goes on from thier in popularity. I also think it depends on where you live. If you live somewhere in a small town midwest then no I doubt on a daily basis you will see people with piercings. I like 15 mins from a major city. If i''m out walking I see them everywhere. Please don''t even start with the piercing mishap stories. I bet I have more than you 
People do dumb things. But people do dumb things every day. Obviously if you are pregnant you need to take out your belly button ring. That should be fairly obvious. Or if your unsure you should ask someone right away. The problem isn''t the piercing or tatoo....the problem is the PERSON who doesn''t research the facility they are going to or doesn''t take care of it the way they should. And momoftwo I am JUST as passionate about that. I live in MD and when I used to work retail I worked somewhere that sold body jewelry and every year I would have TOO young girls come in with infected belly buttons and they would ask ME what to do. I would ask where they got it and every summer it was "Ocean city" I''d ask them if a clean needle was used, if the jewelry was autoclaved ect ect and they wouldn''t know. They didn''t care they just wanted a shiny ring in thier buttons and the places down there were loving all the money they were getting. They were doing body piercing at the freaking bikii shops, the cheap ones on the boardwalk. They were doing it cheao and selling jewelry cheap, probably metal alloys which can irritate your skin. I jumped for freaking joy when they banned body piercing there.
People do dumb things. But people do dumb things every day. Obviously if you are pregnant you need to take out your belly button ring. That should be fairly obvious. Or if your unsure you should ask someone right away. The problem isn''t the piercing or tatoo....the problem is the PERSON who doesn''t research the facility they are going to or doesn''t take care of it the way they should. And momoftwo I am JUST as passionate about that. I live in MD and when I used to work retail I worked somewhere that sold body jewelry and every year I would have TOO young girls come in with infected belly buttons and they would ask ME what to do. I would ask where they got it and every summer it was "Ocean city" I''d ask them if a clean needle was used, if the jewelry was autoclaved ect ect and they wouldn''t know. They didn''t care they just wanted a shiny ring in thier buttons and the places down there were loving all the money they were getting. They were doing body piercing at the freaking bikii shops, the cheap ones on the boardwalk. They were doing it cheao and selling jewelry cheap, probably metal alloys which can irritate your skin. I jumped for freaking joy when they banned body piercing there.
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devientdrow I think you and your husband are beautiful and I didn''t even notice your nose stud until I looked for it.
From where I went to college though, tongue piercings were really common as compared to nose piercings. I HAD 7 piercings in my ears (now I just wear 2 regular ones), a belly button ring (which I took out) and a tongue ring (which I also took out). What is weird is that my mother didn''t care about my ear piercings even the two on the cartilage. But she sure as heck did care when I got my belly button done and freaked out when I got my tongue pierced. She just thought it was gross, unprofessional etc etc. But IMO and I definitely agree with you here devient, piercings/tattoos don''t make one unprofessional, gross, etc etc I think its the person''s overall appearance and demeanor.
As a side note and I find this very amusing, my mother still loves to point out the fact that I have ''disfigured'' myself by pointing to the slight mark in my tongue where the piercing used to be.
No one notices but her.
From where I went to college though, tongue piercings were really common as compared to nose piercings. I HAD 7 piercings in my ears (now I just wear 2 regular ones), a belly button ring (which I took out) and a tongue ring (which I also took out). What is weird is that my mother didn''t care about my ear piercings even the two on the cartilage. But she sure as heck did care when I got my belly button done and freaked out when I got my tongue pierced. She just thought it was gross, unprofessional etc etc. But IMO and I definitely agree with you here devient, piercings/tattoos don''t make one unprofessional, gross, etc etc I think its the person''s overall appearance and demeanor.
As a side note and I find this very amusing, my mother still loves to point out the fact that I have ''disfigured'' myself by pointing to the slight mark in my tongue where the piercing used to be.
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There are a lot of things about appearance that will keep you from getting hired, I am 22 and at the moment hyper aware of this. Piercings, tattoos that are anywhere visible, fake nails, un-natural colors of hair (like purple or green not a brunette becoming a blonde), unnatural looking makeup, or having a manner of speaking which makes the potential employee sound unprofessional, something this can even be the way your voice sounds. These are things that are looked at and considered but not mentioned.
The things they will openly mentioned but not always thought of by the candidates; are weight, because it can effect your health and their insurance costs if you are obese and how long you have lived there and are you originally from that area, if they are looking for someone to be there for the long haul this could affect decisions as well but not as often and only in certain fields, I have heard some places will ask if you are married to see if you are a family person but never worked anywhere like that myself.
The better the job the more important your appearance becomes as you are a representative of the company, even when you are not at work.
The things they will openly mentioned but not always thought of by the candidates; are weight, because it can effect your health and their insurance costs if you are obese and how long you have lived there and are you originally from that area, if they are looking for someone to be there for the long haul this could affect decisions as well but not as often and only in certain fields, I have heard some places will ask if you are married to see if you are a family person but never worked anywhere like that myself.
The better the job the more important your appearance becomes as you are a representative of the company, even when you are not at work.
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Older as in older than you, yes obviously. But, very far from old. We'll see how you feel when you have some experience and children. I know several people who own their own businesses as well as many hiring managers and I stand by what I said. It affects how you are viewed by customers and peers. I wasn't talking to you about the job situation but I was referring to Rhapsody and the reference about what others think (that some do care). I live in Northern Virginia and grew up going and still go to OC. Regardless, for someone who "doesn't care" you are extremely defensive.
BTW, I still think it's gross no matter who you are and I would tell my friends and family that if any of them ever do it. My opinion and others who also don't like nose piercings is not going to change no matter who the person is. My sister has a small tattoo, but I don't particularly care for it and she knows it, but it doesn't affect our relationship because it's hers, not mine. Just because she has one doesn't make me suddenly like them. Just like because you have a nose piercing is not going to make me not think they're gross.
I think you've missed the whole point which is that nose piercings are perceived differently by different people.
Matatora, it's illegal for anyone hiring to ask if you're married.
BTW, I still think it's gross no matter who you are and I would tell my friends and family that if any of them ever do it. My opinion and others who also don't like nose piercings is not going to change no matter who the person is. My sister has a small tattoo, but I don't particularly care for it and she knows it, but it doesn't affect our relationship because it's hers, not mine. Just because she has one doesn't make me suddenly like them. Just like because you have a nose piercing is not going to make me not think they're gross.
I think you've missed the whole point which is that nose piercings are perceived differently by different people.
Matatora, it's illegal for anyone hiring to ask if you're married.
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I am not disagreeing with you, but when one is interviewing it is not very politic to point out to the interviewer that some of his questions are illegal! I was married for a long time before my daughter was born and whenever I interviewed for a job (or so it seemed) I was asked if I were planning to start a family.
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Huh? Excuse me? Where did I say to say that to anyone in an interview? Why did you feel the need to point out it's not very polite (I assume you meant polite)? You lost me there. I was referring to her statement about employers possibly asking that question. It's still against the law to ask both those questions. Period! Someone can actually sue if they don't get the job so I would hope a person hiring would know the law. I've had several jobs in my life and have never been asked either the marriage or children question.
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Of course people get defensive when their personal choices are questioned. No one here said they didn''t care what people think. We all know that we have to play the game if we want to get ahead, which often means covering up who you are. We care because it affects our lives. I do care what other people think, but at the end of the day I wouldnt feel good about myself if I let peoples opinions of me guide my choices in life. I do what I do because I feel it is the right thing, not because its the "norm" or I''m afraid of what other people will say.
And I know all too well how appearances can affect your ability to find employment. I have lost jobs to people who were less qualified than me because they looked more "conservative". If you lost a job to someone less qualified than you because the other person was considered more attractive or beautiful you would be furious. I think this is along the same lines. Ugly, fat, pierced or just different, they''re all at a disadvantage.
Bottom line is that physical appearance is being weighed more heavily than skills, talent or qulaifications and I find that really sad and depressing. Granted when your job is to make people comfortable (as in sales) than appearance does impact ability to do the job, and if you want the job you have to make yourself fit the position. I work in scientific research, and my tattoo certainly does not impair my ability to run a PCR reaction or screen bacteria.
I think what AGBF was saying is that an interviewer would not respond well if you told them "You can''t ask me that, it''s illegal".
And I know all too well how appearances can affect your ability to find employment. I have lost jobs to people who were less qualified than me because they looked more "conservative". If you lost a job to someone less qualified than you because the other person was considered more attractive or beautiful you would be furious. I think this is along the same lines. Ugly, fat, pierced or just different, they''re all at a disadvantage.
Bottom line is that physical appearance is being weighed more heavily than skills, talent or qulaifications and I find that really sad and depressing. Granted when your job is to make people comfortable (as in sales) than appearance does impact ability to do the job, and if you want the job you have to make yourself fit the position. I work in scientific research, and my tattoo certainly does not impair my ability to run a PCR reaction or screen bacteria.
I think what AGBF was saying is that an interviewer would not respond well if you told them "You can''t ask me that, it''s illegal".
Except I never said to say that to an interviewer did I? the fact is it's illegal and never should be asked of anyone and all you independent "modern" young women should be offended by that question. I did not question anyones choices, what I did was state my own opinion and what I know from years of work experience.
Physical appearance can be genetic or by choice. If you choose to alter your appearance, you need to be able to deal with the consequences whatever they are. That's the point about being hired or not. What's sad is blaming the person who thinks it's not appropriate for the work place instead of taking responsibility for the consequences of actions. And get used to it, playing by others rules is the way the game of life is played. Laws are rules we live by and work place rules are what we work by.
Physical appearance can be genetic or by choice. If you choose to alter your appearance, you need to be able to deal with the consequences whatever they are. That's the point about being hired or not. What's sad is blaming the person who thinks it's not appropriate for the work place instead of taking responsibility for the consequences of actions. And get used to it, playing by others rules is the way the game of life is played. Laws are rules we live by and work place rules are what we work by.
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Jeez Mo2...no one ever SAID that you said that in your post, it was just an offhand comment re: if someone DID point that out to an interviewer...recently someone said that you were confrontational or combative in every post you make (I can't recall but that's the jist)...I had actually been thinking privately for some time that I got that from your posts as well and this topic just solidifies that same thought for me. Sometimes it really is about the 'delivery'.
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My thoughts exactly.Date: 1/8/2006 5:29:47 PM
Author: Mara
Jeez Mo2...no one ever SAID that you said that in your post, it was just an offhand comment re: if someone DID point that out to an interviewer...recently someone said that you were confrontational or combative in every post you make (I can''t recall but that''s the jist)...I had actually been thinking privately for some time that I got that from your posts as well and this topic just solidifies that same thought for me. Sometimes it really is about the ''delivery''.
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Yeah.....maybe then she'll be qualified to have an opinion!
Sorry - time and having borne children are NOT the be-all, end-all criteria to having a valid POV. By your definition, I guess we should go ask the mid-40s crack addict with 3 kids what *she* thinks, then, since she's "qualified".
Oh. and just so we're clear.....I'm FIRMLY middle-aged.
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Momoftwo:
I was just reading this comment myself. I do not understand why you feel it necessary to jump down Deborah''s throat. She clearly stated she was not disagreeing with you, and quite correctly pointed out that your interview will be SO over if you start citing "the law" to the interviewer.
My perception.
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I am not at all sure what I said that got you worked up. I meant what I said, "politic". Not, "polite". Politic...as in prudent.
I have been asked if I planned to start a family-an illegal question-and I did not feel it would be prudent to tell my prospective employer that he was asking an illegal question.
If I did not get the job (because I made him angry), he could very well say that he had better candidates applying for the job. He could also say he never asked such a question.
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Oh, of course....I totally agree with that, Widget. In fact, it's very *likely* to change one's POV....but it's not a given, and it's certainly not a litmus test of validity of ones's opinion, either.
There are tons of people in the word who've borne children but who aren't "parents"....if you know what I'm saying.
And there are tons of childless people who have amazing perspective and insight.....both young AND old.
Honestly, my point wasn't to generate a renewed debate about childless vs. parents. It was really to say that it's quite presumptuous and needlessly dismissive to make a statement that's equivalent to "well, honey, just wait until you KNOW something." Very rude, very condescending, and--apparently--not well received, even by some who ARE a bit older and DO have children.
Oh.......I feel the same way about the tattoo thing for myself. I don't think I've ever felt so passionately about something to have it emblazoned on my person for eternity! But, for those that do......well, I rest easy in the knowledge that it's going to be their problem 10 or 20 years from now. Thankfully.....not mine.
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I am firmly middle aged; and I also confess to being alittle mystified about the allure of tattoos and piercings. Anything that has to do with needles makes me hperventilate, literally. I even planned to have my kids before I was 35, so I would avoid the big needle in my stomach--amneo.
However, if someone else chooses to have piercings, its their business, not mine. The only time it becomes my business is if it has to do with my teen-aged kids. Thankfully, my kids have not gone there--yet.
I work for a small marketing communications agency in the Washington, DC area. If a job candidate makes it past the first interview, then the person interviews with the entire office in a group setting. We then write a review and send it to the President/Owner.
I look for professional expertise, and personality--how the person will work and function as part of our TEAM. I have learned over the years, quirky dress and tatoos doen''t necessarily mean a bad hire.
We once hired a designer who was a skin head--piercings, tatoos, really terrifying at first glance. He was one of the sweetest guys ever and really talented.
Piercings and tatoos are OK -- as long as they don''t make me do it.
However, if someone else chooses to have piercings, its their business, not mine. The only time it becomes my business is if it has to do with my teen-aged kids. Thankfully, my kids have not gone there--yet.
I work for a small marketing communications agency in the Washington, DC area. If a job candidate makes it past the first interview, then the person interviews with the entire office in a group setting. We then write a review and send it to the President/Owner.
I look for professional expertise, and personality--how the person will work and function as part of our TEAM. I have learned over the years, quirky dress and tatoos doen''t necessarily mean a bad hire.
We once hired a designer who was a skin head--piercings, tatoos, really terrifying at first glance. He was one of the sweetest guys ever and really talented.
Piercings and tatoos are OK -- as long as they don''t make me do it.
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I was about 23(?) when I got my first tattoo. I'm 35 now and I'm not feeling sorry yet(like i said earlier, there is some religious guilt but that's another story) yet. RE: Human approval, It hasn't been a problem.
Also, I think that motivation would make a difference..if you got the tattoo/pierce because it was trendy or 'cool', you're probably more likely to regret it later.
If you're already sort of odd(my case) it's not not likely to haunt or 'ruin' you. If I didn't have the 'body modifications' there'd surely be other reasons for folx to be put off.
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I do sometimes wonder what I''ll think of my tattoos in 20 years. I try to head off the immediate remorse with a 5 year rule... if I still want it 5 years after the idea comes to me then I can get it. And even if I am a different person in 20 years who I was will always be part of who I am and I have no fear of remembering where I''ve been.
I''m also aware that the other things I want for my life, a good job and respect from my professional peers might be hindered by visible piercings and tattoos, so I keep them all in easily covered places. Life is a balancing act between what you want and what the world expects of you.
I''m also aware that the other things I want for my life, a good job and respect from my professional peers might be hindered by visible piercings and tattoos, so I keep them all in easily covered places. Life is a balancing act between what you want and what the world expects of you.
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"grill: 1. One''s personal business 2. One''s teeth/smile..."
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the best def. is "gold/diamond plate that is molded for your teeth. It is decorated with diamonds and/or gold."
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