Do you have friends, relatives, neighbors, or acquaintances preparing for deportation?

[kenny]

We do.
They're freaking out, especially the ones who are undocumented parents of kids who can stay here because the kids are US citizens by being born here.

What happens to all these children who are suddenly parentless?
Not all have adult relatives here legally who can raise them here.

I find this heartbreaking, especially since this demographic statistically has more kids than most other demographics in the US.

 

[Avondale]

I think you are more alarmed than many of their friends, family, and neighbors.

I recently watched a clip from a tv news broadcast (MSNBC, just checked) where one such family was being interviewed. They're citizens now, but came to the US illegally back in the day. They have undocumented family members that they weren't all that worried about. In their view, deportation will only happen to criminals, whereas honest working people won't be affected, regardless of their legal status. (I am paraphrasing from memory, also account for news editing and words being taken a bit out of context, their views might be more moderate in reality.)

Can't post a link, though, because the interview was framed in the context of the election, and most of it is quite political.

 

[missy]

Nope

 

[Matata]

Yes.

I've heard stories similar to Avondale's and all I can say is: SURPRISE, because there won't be distinctions made between "bad" and "good" undocumented people so choose more wisely in 2028.

 

[autumngems]

No, I will leave it at that as I don't wish to be banned.

 

[ShinyPink]

Everyone thinks illegal immigrants are a certain type. All but one of the ones I've known have been white, non-working. Don't get me started on this.

I drove my daughter to the San Diego airport this morning. Didn't see any herds of people running across the freeway.

 

[MissGotRocks]

There was an estimate of 11k to deport one person. Included finding them, detaining them, advising their country of their return, and paying to transport them to said country. If that estimate is anywhere close to being true, how many can be deported before we go broke?

 

[Lookinagain]

There was an estimate of 11k to deport one person. Included finding them, detaining them, advising their country of their return, and paying to transport them to said country. If that estimate is anywhere close to being true, how many can be deported before we go broke?

I believe their country must also agree to take them back and send paperwork.

 

[Lookinagain]

We do.
They're freaking out, especially the ones who are undocumented parents of kids who can stay here because the kids are US citizens by being born here.

What happens to all these children who are suddenly parentless?
Not all have adult relatives here legally who can raise them here.

I find this heartbreaking, especially since this demographic statistically has more kids than most other demographics in the US.

Not that I'm aware of.

 

[Snowdrop13]

There was an estimate of 11k to deport one person. Included finding them, detaining them, advising their country of their return, and paying to transport them to said country. If that estimate is anywhere close to being true, how many can be deported before we go broke?

Google says 10 million undocumented so you’re into the billions of dollars.

 

[Avondale]

Google says 10 million undocumented so you’re into the billions of dollars.

More precisely, 1/8th of the US defense budget for 2024. If that doesn't put things into perspective, money-wise, I don't know what will...

 

[Slickk]

I do not to my knowledge, however, I’m sure some of my students fall into that category. As far as the cost to deport, there’s an incredible cost in allowing them to stay as well. Between food/housing, education (huge cost I see on the daily), healthcare, safety …
I also don’t think it’s fair to those who wait years and spend thousands to come legally. They broke our laws by coming in illegally in the first place.
Of course, if you’re a productive member of society and contribute to our nation, then I am all for legal immigration.
JMHO

ETA some of the students we receive aren’t even educated in their own language…it’s very difficult and takes a lot of support/time out of instruction for everyone else.

 

[Austina]

It cost us over $11,000 to come here legally.

 

[Snowdrop13]

It’s an uncomfortable fact that most Western nations with their ageing populations and extremely low birth rates will need many immigrants to support them. Kind of ironic that they’re all about to get chucked out.

 

[missy]

It’s an uncomfortable fact that most Western nations with their ageing populations and extremely low birth rates will need many immigrants to support them. Kind of ironic that they’re all about to get chucked out.

We already have a rational and generous immigration policy. Sending back the 7-10 million who got here illegally will not adversely affect our demographics

 

[missy]

Google says 10 million undocumented so you’re into the billions of dollars.

Are we putting a price on national security?
They came here illegally. They broke federal laws.

 

[Avondale]

Are we putting a price on national security?

National security already has a price. Just as in any other country, and just as anything else. I see it more as about being informed of what that price is in a somewhat comprehensible number.

 

[missy]

National security already has a price. Just as in any other country, and just as anything else. I see it more as about being informed of what that price is in a somewhat comprehensible number.

I agree. Knowledge is power.
This is worth it. IMO
Not to mention it’s a pipeline for human trafficking

 

[Ella]

Folks I’ve removed some posts that cross the boundaries into talking about politics. Please keep the space about human rights and not discussing candidates or specific political parties or posts will be removed or the threadclosed.

 

[kenny]

Thanks @Ella

When I noticed this thread starting to go south I tried to report it, but it had already been reported.

This topic is extremely important to our country.
Good bad right or wrong, change is in the air.
I'm thankful we can discuss it here in our PS community, that is if we behave.

 

[MissGotRocks]

Google says 10 million undocumented so you’re into the billions of dollars.

And that was what the article said! The author of the article went on to say that the most prudent thing to do was to target criminal types and leave the rest alone. This country could not afford those estimates nor the loss of workforce. Doesn’t even touch the humane portion of it!

 

[Slickk]

I agree. Knowledge is power.
This is worth it. IMO
Not to mention it’s a pipeline for human trafficking

To me, this is the tragedy of this issue. So many children are unaccounted for and some have been returned to people even after abuse has been confirmed. They are the victims we cannot forget or forsake.

 

[yssie]

In their view, deportation will only happen to criminals, whereas honest working people won't be affected, regardless of their legal status.

Oh that's adorable.


It's expensive to immigrate legally. My parents went through it; I was along for the ride and benefitted.

So I don't have much sympathy for those who are here illegally.

But the thing is... It won't matter. Only thing that'll matter in practice is whether you're white or brown, and maybe whether you were born here or had to be naturalized.

And the reality is that most of those who haven't earned the legal right to be here do pay taxes, and yet won't ever be able to take advantage of the federal safety nets that the rest of us take for granted. Noone's signing up on the dole without #Papers.

And my god there are much bigger problems to solve right now.

 

[Matata]

How long have we kicked this can down the road. Decades. We should have been adequately staffing the border, increasing resources to process immigrants faster, and prosecuting all employers who hire illegal immigrants years ago for starters.

 

[nala]

My students certainly think it is a possibility.

 

[autumngems]

Came here illegally, they need to go back
Look at what we are paying to keep them here, I can't even...