French scientist denied US entry after critical phone messages found

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@Rockdiamond somewhat tongue in cheek spoke about people with parking violations getting deported

Parking violations.
That is definitely a crime!!!
Don’t respect that meter????
YOURE A CRIMINAL- GET OUT.
( but first let’s lock you up for a few months)

but 4 hours ago our Vice President literally said this in a tweet about Abrego Garcia who was deported to El Salvador (bold emphasis in quote below is mine). In 2019 he was granted withholding of removal to El Salvador in 2019, legally protecting him from deportation to that country. Yet that is exactly where he was sent when deported. It is also reported that he has no criminal convictions in either the US or El Salvador.

"In 2019, an Immigration Judge (under the first Trump administration) determined that the deported man was, in fact, a member of the MS-13 gang. He also apparently had multiple traffic violations for which he failed to appear in court. A real winner."

 

[LightBright]

Regarding parking violations, I know a person who was unconventional looking, a free spirit, long hair, for example. He was stopped by the police on his way home from work for a broken tail light on his truck. They discovered several unpaid tickets (I think it was turning without signaling or it might have been unpaid parking).

They arrested him and put him in the county jail. He was held for three days, they dressed him in women’s uniforms making fun of his hair. They wouldn’t let people call him, etc.

So that experience made me realize some arrests and incarceration could be based on things that could be handled not so punitively. You are helpless if you aren’t supported by a lawyer (money) and people on the outside who have resources.

I fear if there’s a slippery slope, with our govt not clearly defining what is getting approved Green Card holders targetted, then ejected, we will be looking at “he looked at me wrong” next.

OTOH, I think American Freedoms only work to benefit innocent people when evil hasn’t been allowed to be free. Once you have people taking advantage of our freedoms, you have a problem on your hands. It takes only a small number of people to do immense damage. I see both sides. It’s not an easy fix.

 

[missy]

Our humanity has been the greatest strength of America.

I will never feel compassion for child rapists and murderers and those who are so evil they inflict unimaginable pain on others and are full of glee when doing so

Organizing and protesting are the essence of the first amendment.

I repeat Mahmoud’s arrest was not about free speech and antisemitism.
His actions could have/had a “potentially serious adverse impact on foreign policy and related to national security
But due process is critical and may the whole truth come out because some of you post half truths

Land of the Free. Home of the Brave.

Ironic because those you are defending are the ones who want to make this the land of the not free.
Can you see that? They are quite open about their goals. Or do you just not believe what they are saying?

I support deporting anyone who poses a national security threat to the USA

I strongly believe our diversity and freedom of speech protect us.

How do you feel about the quotas being put on limiting jews at the higher institutions? Speaking about diversity, 0.2% of the population yet so many want us gone

Freedom of speech as long as we agree with everything the democrats/left say. Is that how it works?

Of course I am for freedom of speech and always have been. But there is a difference between freedom of speech and inciting violence
Nazism which which ended as a major political factor in Europe in 1945 has enjoyed a robust afterlife in the Muslim brotherhood and its offshoots including Hezbollah and Hamas. How long will it take the world to recognize this?

"The world will not be destroyed by evil but by those who watch them without doing anything"

 

[missy]

OTOH, I think American Freedoms only work to benefit innocent people when evil hasn’t been allowed to be free. Once you have people taking advantage of our freedoms, you have a problem on your hands. It takes only a small number of people to do immense damage. I see both sides. It’s not an easy fix.

Agree completely. There are many who are taking advantage and who do want to inflict evil upon our country. We must not let them.

 

[canuk-gal]

Agree completely. There are many who are taking advantage and who do want to inflict evil upon our country. We must not let them.

And in Canada also.

 

[missy]

And in Canada also.

100% yes. It’s heartbreaking what is happening

 

[Lookinagain]

I find this part of the article disturbing as well.

That includes Fabian Schmidt, a New Hampshire man originally from Germany who was detained, possibly because of a decade-old misdemeanor charge for marijuana possession in California that was later dismissed.

If a charge is dismissed, you are deemed not guilty. And it sounds like they can't figure out why he is being detained if it isn't for that reason.

 

[Rockdiamond]

Ironic because those you are defending are the ones who want to make this the land of the not free.
Can you see that? They are quite open about their goals. Or do you just not believe what they are saying?

I am NOT defending the individuals- rather the US Constitution.
About "what people are saying"....I'm far more fearful of what people in power are saying, daily. A lot of people now fear the US government..... worldwide. Unimaginable just a few months ago. Things like the First Amendment are designed to keep the government in check

I support deporting anyone who poses a national security threat to the USA

If a person is against the current administration, it's no stretch at all for this administration to declare them "A national Security threat"

How do you feel about the quotas being put on limiting jews at the higher institutions? Speaking about diversity, 0.2% of the population yet so many want us gone

We see this differently.
Maybe it's because I am born and bred in "New York City"...where it seems everyone is jewish....
I've experienced anti semitism- never in NYC.
I don't feel like the "general population" is so "anti Jewish"
Of course, stereotypes exist for us- and all ethnic groups.
But that doesn't mean "they want us gone"...to me, anyway.
As far as college admissions, and quotas....very tough to tackle that one
It's an impossible balancing act.
I have not heard about any sort of quota based on religion- and it would seem to be blatantly unconstitutional if there was one....

I certainly don't lump all people together based on their politics...wow, as I wrote that, I realized I do, at this point.
From my perspective, the left wing media shoots itself in the foot constantly. They point out a lot of errors people on the left make.
It seems that most right side media is in lockstep- very rare that they criticize right wing people.
Perspective I guess

 

[Sunrises Sunsets]

This is not about the first amendment. This is about coming to this country and organizing protests for terrorist groups that want to destroy our way of life here.




And you’re projecting your humanity and your values on those who want to kill you

Remember this wise quote

""Whoever is merciful to the cruel, in the end is cruel to the merciful."

Trying to get background of the current situation and read this information from *ADL 2023-2024. https://www.adl.org/resources/report/anti-israel-activism-us-campuses-2023-2024

All I'll say is I wouldn't want to be a Jewish student in an America college with the apathy of many toward the treatment of Jewish students by those disguised as protestors that are far more than sign waving.

After what was witnessed in Germany in 1933-1945, who would have thought the rise in antisemitism and the unprovoked attack on Israel in October 7, 2023 would be interpreted as Israel's aggression. Working to insure they are never so vulnerable again from that hideous attack makes Israel the villain.

*Anti-Defamation League

 

[Calliecake]

A Maryland father who was granted protected status was sent to the El Salvador prison. The current administration has admitted it was an administrative error. He has no criminal record, he has no criminal arrests, yet the man is still in that prison. This is what happens when there is no due process. Our government is saying since the man is in El Salvador there is nothing we can do about it. This should scare all of us.

 

[telephone89]

The US Secretary of State is quoted as saying he will revoke visas and or green cards of “Hamas supporters in America, so they can be deported”
What is a “supporter”? Kind of wide open.
And leaving it in the hands of one man?
There was a time when JDL was considered a terrorist group. Anyone going after KKK supporters?
Selecting one specific group to target. Many of us feel that should bother every one of us. Even if we despise the group.
The First Amendment is designed to protect free speech. This is the antithesis of that.

It's funny, he refused to disown the proud boys - an actual terrorist organization - but as soon as it's a non-white person they buy that he's some sort of saviour against terrorists. You'd think if people actually cared about terrorists or terrorist sympathizers they'd have a ton more places to look rather than targeting colleges and scientists.

 

[telephone89]

A Maryland father who was granted protected status was sent to the El Salvador prison. The current administration has admitted it was an administrative error. He has no criminal record, he has no criminal arrests, yet the man is still in that prison. This is what happens when there is no due process. Our government is saying since the man is in El Salvador there is nothing we can do about it. This should scare all of us.

And they refuse to bring him back! "Welp, he's el salvadors problem now". Scary!

Canada, Denmark, Finland, France, Germany and the UK have all now issued travel advisories about going to the US.

Eta - Callie, I'm not sure why your last post was deleted, but EXACTLY. An entire terrorist organization on US soil, rabidly antisemitic, but held in high regards to the administration. Do people only care about antisemitism if it comes from coloured folk?

 

[Calliecake]

@telephone89 I’m always afraid I’m crossing a line, so I end up deleting what I wrote. There was nothing but a sea of angry white supremacist men that day in Charlottsville. Someone calls them very fine people and apparently now they aren’t a problem.
SMH. It’s sickening isn’t it?

 

[telephone89]

Missy, now you’re just spewing hatred against another religion, on a thread completely unrelated. This one is about the French scientist getting denied entry, but somehow you turn it into another Islam/palestine bashing rant.

But it sounds like you’re a bit (lot) uninformed about the propaganda you’re parroting. There are sharia courts, but they are not legally binding. There are also orthodox Jewish “courts” and catholic “courts”, which provide the same services. I hope you have the same consternation about them too

 

[Sunrises Sunsets]

Missy, now you’re just spewing hatred against another religion, on a thread completely unrelated. This one is about the French scientist getting denied entry, but somehow you turn it into another Islam/palestine bashing rant.

But it sounds like you’re a bit (lot) uninformed about the propaganda you’re parroting. There are sharia courts, but they are not legally binding. There are also orthodox Jewish “courts” and catholic “courts”, which provide the same services. I hope you have the same consternation about them too

So this is a positive that we should all embrace?
AI Overview:

The primary negative concerns surrounding Sharia councils in the UK revolve around the potential for discrimination against women, particularly in areas like divorce and inheritance, and the lack of legal standing or enforcement power of their rulings, which can create a "parallel legal system" undermining the principle of one law for all.

Here's a more detailed breakdown of the concerns:

• Discrimination Against Women:
  • Sharia councils, while not courts, make decisions based on religious principles, and their rulings are not legally binding.
    
    
  • Critics argue that these rulings can discriminate against women in matters like divorce and inheritance, potentially leading to unfair outcomes.
    
    
  • For example, some argue that Sharia councils can pressure women to return to abusive husbands or interfere with child custody and financial matters.
    
    
  • The lack of legal standing means that women are not protected by the Human Rights Act in the same way as they are in national courts.

 

[missy]

So this is a positive that we should all embrace?
AI Overview:

The primary negative concerns surrounding Sharia councils in the UK revolve around the potential for discrimination against women, particularly in areas like divorce and inheritance, and the lack of legal standing or enforcement power of their rulings, which can create a "parallel legal system" undermining the principle of one law for all.

Here's a more detailed breakdown of the concerns:

• Discrimination Against Women:
  • Sharia councils, while not courts, make decisions based on religious principles, and their rulings are not legally binding.
    
    
  • Critics argue that these rulings can discriminate against women in matters like divorce and inheritance, potentially leading to unfair outcomes.
    
    
  • For example, some argue that Sharia councils can pressure women to return to abusive husbands or interfere with child custody and financial matters.
    
    
  • The lack of legal standing means that women are not protected by the Human Rights Act in the same way as they are in national courts.

Absolutely. Sharia courts are anything but innocuous. But by all means let them keep spreading and increasing in number. Let’s see how all freedom loving people enjoy that

 

[telephone89]

I stand by all I wrote @telephone89 and @GK2

I won’t resort to the name calling you have as I don’t need to and the facts stand for themselves
Anyone who truly wants to learn the facts can easily search

@telephone89 you are the last person I would ever take advice from or listen to as a knowledgeable person regarding middle east issues
You have shown your true colors many times. Here is but one example
From well over 10 years ago. I saw the truth clearly. Many of us did. Many did not want to see the truth




Do you still agree with this or is there hope for you yet?
The only thing Hamas wants and has ever wanted is the destruction of Israel and all the Jewish people

I can safely say that in the last 11 years, my views have evolved, as have the issues. I do not agree with Hamas, but I also don't think that every palestinian wants jews dead, as you so wrote in another post. I don't think israel is playing fair either. I don't consider dropping a flyer to tell people that you're going to bomb their house (or hopsital or school or the other places israel has targeted), as appropriate "notice".

Why do you continue to derail threads that aren't even about this conflict?

 

[telephone89]

So this is a positive that we should all embrace?
AI Overview:

The primary negative concerns surrounding Sharia councils in the UK revolve around the potential for discrimination against women, particularly in areas like divorce and inheritance, and the lack of legal standing or enforcement power of their rulings, which can create a "parallel legal system" undermining the principle of one law for all.

Here's a more detailed breakdown of the concerns:

• Discrimination Against Women:
  • Sharia councils, while not courts, make decisions based on religious principles, and their rulings are not legally binding.
    
    
  • Critics argue that these rulings can discriminate against women in matters like divorce and inheritance, potentially leading to unfair outcomes.
    
    
  • For example, some argue that Sharia councils can pressure women to return to abusive husbands or interfere with child custody and financial matters.
    
    
  • The lack of legal standing means that women are not protected by the Human Rights Act in the same way as they are in national courts.

I bolded the only thing important. They are not legally binding. They are voluntary. I'm quite sure catholic and orthodox courts would also be unfair to women. Most religions are.

 

[Sunrises Sunsets]

I can safely say that in the last 11 years, my views have evolved, as have the issues. I do not agree with Hamas, but I also don't think that every palestinian wants jews dead, as you so wrote in another post. I don't think israel is playing fair either. I don't consider dropping a flyer to tell people that you're going to bomb their house (or hopsital or school or the other places israel has targeted), as appropriate "notice".

Why do you continue to derail threads that aren't even about this conflict?

I missed the derail, would you please advice me of where that is? All I saw was an earlier conversation outlined and another poster's outline of their interpretations of the discussion. What else might I have missed?

 

[telephone89]

I missed the derail, would you please advice me of where that is? All I saw was an earlier conversation outlined and another poster's outline of their interpretations of the discussion. What else might I have missed?

Bolded indeed! You are being purposely obtuse. This thread is not about the israel/palestine conflict, nor about jewish students on campus. No wonder ella had to ban politics, some people just cant stop themselves from salivating to derail any thread and post their hate.

 

[missy]

I can safely say that in the last 11 years, my views have evolved, as have the issues. I do not agree with Hamas, but I also don't think that every palestinian wants jews dead, as you so wrote in another post. I don't think israel is playing fair either. I don't consider dropping a flyer to tell people that you're going to bomb their house (or hopsital or school or the other places israel has targeted), as appropriate "notice".

Why do you continue to derail threads that aren't even about this conflict?

Glad to hear your views are evolving. I strive to be open and I am. But these are my views now. I used to have hope for a two state solution. Now I know that will never be

As for Israel they never purposefully murder civilians unlike Hamas. What would you want Israel to do? Lay died and die? No. They will fight back and have every right. Too bad you and others don’t like it. Did you see that Hamas numbers of murdered Palestinians were grossly inflated? You (not you specifically) choose to remain silent when you can’t manipulate facts to fit your narrative. I am not speaking about you personally I’m using rhe general you.

I am happy to discuss civilly but many here don’t want anyone disagreeing with them

I was answering another’s post so don’t feel I derailed anything
This is a fluid conversation or because you don’t like what I’m saying you want to silence me?
I’ll leave it there.

But will add this regarding sharia courts

With 85 Sharia courts, UK becomes western capital for Islamic rulings

Britain Sharia Law: Britain is now home to 85 sharia courts that rule on family matters of marriage and divorce. With Muslims from North America and Europe coming to appeal to these Islamic councils, Britain is emerging as the "western capital" for sharia courts. Organisations are expressing...

www.indiatoday.in

 

[Rockdiamond]

**edited by moderator to remove a deleted post quote**

The wildly ironic aspect to this is that many of us find the actions being taken to deport people without due process as examples of how the USA is following the path of Germany in the 1930s. Fact- everything you wrote is going on. Right now. Right here. Fact.
Military, media, legal profession, academia- all taken over by extremists. Fact.

 

[Sunrises Sunsets]

I bolded the only thing important. They are not legally binding. They are voluntary. I'm quite sure catholic and orthodox courts would also be unfair to women. Most religions are.

Not at all, those other faiths don't pressure women to return to abusive husbands, interfere with child custody and financial matters. And the parents are not instructed in "honor killing" of their children.

 

[telephone89]

Glad to hear your views are evolving. I strive to be open and I am. But these are my views now. I used to have hope for a two state solution. Now I know that will never be

As for Israel they never purposefully murder civilians unlike Hamas. What would you w@ng Israel to do? Lay died and die? No. They will fight back and have every right. Too bad you and others don’t like it. Did you see that Hamas numbers of murdered Palestinians were grossly inflated?

I was answering another’s post so don’t feel I derailed anything
This is a fluid conversation or because you don’t like what I’m saying you want to silence me?
I’ll leave it there.

But will add this regarding sharia courts

With 85 Sharia courts, UK becomes western capital for Islamic rulings

Britain Sharia Law: Britain is now home to 85 sharia courts that rule on family matters of marriage and divorce. With Muslims from North America and Europe coming to appeal to these Islamic councils, Britain is emerging as the "western capital" for sharia courts. Organisations are expressing...

www.indiatoday.in

So what's your specific issue with the sharia courts? Are you reading the articles you are posting? I see only one thing actually problematic, and it's in the very last sentence. Which really has little to do with the sharia court, and seen all over the world in every religion unfortunately.

 

[missy]

So what's your specific issue with the sharia courts? Are you reading the articles you are posting? I see only one thing actually problematic, and it's in the very last sentence. Which really has little to do with the sharia court, and seen all over the world in every religion unfortunately.

They’re anti women. Anti rights

 

[Ella]

Folks, stay on topic and off politics. This applies to the whole world, not just the US.

 

[telephone89]

Not at all, those other faiths don't pressure women to return to abusive husbands, interfere with child custody and financial matters.

Uh, they absolutely do. Catholics are encouraged to stay with abusive husbands all the time. Divorce is shameful and difficult for women in many religions.

 

[telephone89]

They’re anti women. Anti rights

So are other religions? If you hate religion because of their oppression to women, I'd agree with you. Singling ONE out, not so much.

 

[missy]

**edited by moderator to remove a deleted post quote**

The wildly ironic aspect to this is that many of us find the actions being taken to deport people without due process as examples of how the USA is following the path of Germany in the 1930s. Fact- everything you wrote is going on. Right now. Right here. Fact.
Military, media, legal profession, academia- all taken over by extremists. Fact.

I see it very differently David.

 

[missy]

So are other religions? If you hate religion because of their oppression to women, I'd agree with you. Singling ONE out, not so much.

No. Not like this. It’s to the extreme