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Gift celebrating birth of our daughter

I'm dying to see the special stone you've chosen, OP. Don't keep us on the edge of our seats too long! :drool:
 
Just an eye candy, not mine^^

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Enhoerning Jewelry on Instagram: "A true fireball .⁠ .⁠ 3+ ct spessartine garnet in the most desirable "mandarin" orange color. Custom-sourced = sold/not available. ⁠ .⁠ Looking for a special gemstone? ‍♀️⁠ .⁠ .⁠ Enhoerning Jewelry is a concierge je

161 likes, 8 comments - enhoerningjewelry on April 13, 2022: "A true fireball .⁠ .⁠ 3+ ct spessartine garnet in the most desirable "mandarin" orange color. Custom-sourced = sold/not available. ⁠ .⁠ Looking for a special gemstone? ‍♀️⁠ .⁠ .⁠ Enhoerning Jewelry is a concierge jeweler specializing...
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Would love know if it belongs to a PSer, share more pics if you are the lucky owner:)

As for me, I remain at the stone searching stage and nervously waiting. Let me update everyone when there’s breakthrough.

Thx for your help so far!
 
OneKuhlChic said:
Congrats on your upcoming new baby girl!! How exciting for you both!

Precision Gem has exactly what you're looking for and the 10.4mm is perfect for a middle finger ring!!

Oops, the stone on Precision Gem looks like the wrong color.

You can contact Gene to discuss what you're looking for.


Precision Gem - Gemstones for sale

Precision Gem Store - listing of current gemstones custom precision cut.
www.precisiongem.com www.precisiongem.com
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Hey guys, sorry to leave the thread for a while. Have been hoping to come back with happy news, but instead a disappointing update. The spess I wished to get didn't work out...Due to unpredictability of natural gems, it didn't cut as what I have wanted.

I am aware that the quality and spec. I want is somehow scarce. Chrysoberyl that I have been looking for for some time, as well as the spess this time. No luck so far. I may need to rethink about the gift now...
 
Double E said:
Just an eye candy, not mine^^

www.instagram.com

Enhoerning Jewelry on Instagram: "A true fireball .⁠ .⁠ 3+ ct spessartine garnet in the most desirable "mandarin" orange color. Custom-sourced = sold/not available. ⁠ .⁠ Looking for a special gemstone? ‍♀️⁠ .⁠ .⁠ Enhoerning Jewelry is a concierge je

161 likes, 8 comments - enhoerningjewelry on April 13, 2022: "A true fireball .⁠ .⁠ 3+ ct spessartine garnet in the most desirable "mandarin" orange color. Custom-sourced = sold/not available. ⁠ .⁠ Looking for a special gemstone? ‍♀️⁠ .⁠ .⁠ Enhoerning Jewelry is a concierge jeweler specializing...
www.instagram.com www.instagram.com

Would love know if it belongs to a PSer, share more pics if you are the lucky owner:)

As for me, I remain at the stone searching stage and nervously waiting. Let me update everyone when there’s breakthrough.

Thx for your help so far!
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Just saw this! it’s mine. It’s not as clean as @Autumn in New England ’s — with some sugar in it. But more obvious in photo than in real life! Very pretty. Inken sourced for me to put my old setting in use.

Gene from @PrecisionGem should be able to help you.

Though spess with top color and clarity may exceed your budget for the size that you want.
 
Snowbebe said:
Just saw this! it’s mine. It’s not as clean as @Autumn in New England ’s — with some sugar in it. But more obvious in photo than in real life! Very pretty. Inken sourced for me to put my old setting in use.

Gene from @PrecisionGem should be able to help you.

Though spess with top color and clarity may exceed your budget for the size that you want.
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I remember that being your ring, and have always admired it!! It's positively ablaze. :cool2:
 
I am currently considering how should I proceed with the gift plan. A lot of spending for building a family:P

I actually want to dig deeper into the ideal hue of Spess. According to GIA colour gem grading, is that any difference in terms of value in the trade, for O and vslyO, as both hues were found during my search (provided they are both of highest saturation #6).

And origin, notable appearance difference between fine Nigerian and Tanzanian stones?
 
So traditionally the Namibian material was thought to be the finest. It's mostly mined out at this point, but you can certainly find it available through private collectors or vendors with older stock. A more recent strike in Loliondo, Tanzania is producing material now rivaling that of Namibia, because it has the intense pure orange coloration but with higher clarity. In my opinion, the Nigerian material would be 3rd on the list, as it's more difficult to find the purer oranges in vivid saturations (and eye clean). But they exist! Also, I wouldn't worry too much about a color grade of vslyO. Since orange is a secondary hue, and a mix of red and yellow, it's almost always going to favor one or the other to some degree. I would prefer a "very slight" yellow modifier to a red one. =)2
 
Guys, how do you think about asymmetrical cut gemstones? I come across some vendors who constantly cut such kind of stones and sometimes their rough colours amazing?

However, performance wise, would it be more prone to windows and other issues?
 
Double E said:
Guys, how do you think about asymmetrical cut gemstones? I come across some vendors who constantly cut such kind of stones and sometimes their rough colours amazing?

However, performance wise, would it be more prone to windows and other issues?
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This is a great question. So, RBC's were originally invented, and perfected, to make the most out of a diamond's brilliance and fire. And RBC's don't hold color as well as other cuts, which is what we want in white diamonds. Eventually, other cuts were introduced, and their proportions and facet numbers and angles were tweaked to maximize light performance. Some of these diamond cutting standards and mathematical formulas were extended to include colored stones (which have varying RI's and dispersion). However, most CS, especially rarer and more valuable ones, have native cuts applied, where the aim is to save weight as opposed to maximize light play. Precision cuts pay less attention to weight retention and focus a bit more on performance (which is why they carry a premium, aside from specialized labor costs). That being said, if the asymmetrical cut in question is precision faceted, it can be quite intriguing! If done properly, it should still be free from as much windowing and extinction as possible. Might the stone have performed better in a perfectly fashioned round brilliant or radiant cut? Probably. But sometimes a creative, fancy, or fantasy cut can really add personality to a gem. In short, depending on the stone, I am a fan!
 
Autumn in New England said:
This is a great question. So, RBC's were originally invented, and perfected, to make the most out of a diamond's brilliance and fire. And RBC's don't hold color as well as other cuts, which is what we want in white diamonds. Eventually, other cuts were introduced, and their proportions and facet numbers and angles were tweaked to maximize light performance. Some of these diamond cutting standards and mathematical formulas were extended to include colored stones (which have varying RI's and dispersion). However, most CS, especially rarer and more valuable ones, have native cuts applied, where the aim is to save weight as opposed to maximize light play. Precision cuts pay less attention to weight retention and focus a bit more on performance (which is why they carry a premium, aside from specialized labor costs). That being said, if the asymmetrical cut in question is precision faceted, it can be quite intriguing! If done properly, it should still be free from as much windowing and extinction as possible. Might the stone have performed better in a perfectly fashioned round brilliant or radiant cut? Probably. But sometimes a creative, fancy, or fantasy cut can really add personality to a gem. In short, depending on the stone, I am a fan!
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Your thought?

*The little window or open cutlet is purposefully crafted. It’s the cutting style of this vendor and I believe it’s also due to the flatness of the rough.
 
Double E said:
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Your thought?

*The little window or open cutlet is purposefully crafted. It’s the cutting style of this vendor and I believe it’s also due to the flatness of the rough.
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I have to say I adore the colour, it’s like molten lava, though I don’t know how accurately shown the colour is.
 
Double E said:
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Your thought?

*The little window or open cutlet is purposefully crafted. It’s the cutting style of this vendor and I believe it’s also due to the flatness of the rough.
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The color looks phenomenal! The window is minor to moderate. They bother some more than others. But I like the shape. I still think you can find material of this apparent color and clarity quality in the exact size and cut you want (within your budget). Don't give up!

In any case, here are some examples of what I would call well-cut asymmetrical gems.

Tourmalines

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Amethyst

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Spinel

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Avondale said:
I was reading through the latest posts and remembered I saw something yesterday: https://www.instagram.com/p/CeGRJeFuCQL/

The video isn't very high quality, but here are a couple of screenshots:

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I'm posting the second one because it shows the window clearly.

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I’ve turned on notification for this vendor and saw the post^^ As what you pointed out about their Spess post, the cut doesn’t look good enough… While I believe they are kind of hot vendors for some of us here, I however found that it may not suit me as I prefer someone I can ask more in depth questions about their gems.

Further more, going back to the Spess in the post and their another live story recently (which was an even bigger stone), they are all from Burma. I honestly have no idea how Burma Spess compare to other origins, although I have nothing against getting a stone with equal quality but without the origin premium~
 
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Autumn in New England said:
The color looks phenomenal! The window is minor to moderate. They bother some more than others. But I like the shape. I still think you can find material of this apparent color and clarity quality in the exact size and cut you want (within your budget). Don't give up!

In any case, here are some examples of what I would call well-cut asymmetrical gems.

Tourmalines

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Amethyst

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Spinel

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I like the shape of the Spess in the posted pic too. I like it looks more of a irregular rock that resembles the raw shape of a rough， it’s quite special and I believe it could look nice in a pendant. However I just just can’t stop relating it to a flat stone which I guess it’s likely what similar finished gem comes from…

Btw, my search continues as I’ve told my jeweller who gonna make the pendant what I am looking for, and she’s attending a gem show next week. It’s said to be one of the biggest trade show in the year, is it the JCK show? I don’t know much about it. Let’s see how it goes.

And to make accurate progress update, I’ve actually raised my budget to around 1.8k when I was trying my luck with the previous spess of around 3ct. I am now setting the budget at somewhere like 2k, not sure if it allows me to find something I want. Thoughts welcomed!
 
Double E said:
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Your thought?

*The little window or open cutlet is purposefully crafted. It’s the cutting style of this vendor and I believe it’s also due to the flatness of the rough.
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I love that stone. I've seen CvB use them in some of her jewelry.
As a lover of wonky and color, I'd freak out over that spess! :love:
 
Yes, it's JCK! Literally the entire industry attends. If you have someone on the lookout for you there, they are bound to find a stone for you!! And I think your budget is very much on par. Good luck!!
 
Hey guys~ I’ve got a question about clarify. What’s the level of clarify does “eye clean” mean for Spess? I’ve learnt that such variety is usually with “sugar” inclusions, but does the presence of sugar simply disqualify it from the eye clean category? Or could it still be eye clean while there’s mild sugar?

This affects my expectations.
 
Another question would be about oval cut. While this is not my preference, I will need to prepare in case there’s no round or squarish options available.

How would oval perform normally? As I’ve learnt some comment that oval or elongated cut often performs not as well as round or more chubby cuts, that there may be a “half dead zone” one can see from the stone. Is this the case? Or will over brilliant or oval barion works obviously better?

And actually how to classify “barion” cut?
 
Double E said:
Hey guys~ I’ve got a question about clarify. What’s the level of clarify does “eye clean” mean for Spess? I’ve learnt that such variety is usually with “sugar” inclusions, but does the presence of sugar simply disqualify it from the eye clean category? Or could it still be eye clean while there’s mild sugar?

This affects my expectations.
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Spessartine is a Type II clarity gemstone. So that means the material typically grows with some minor eye visible inclusions. One would expect to see more (and larger) eye visible inclusions in Type III clarity stones, such as emerald. And we would expect a completely eye clean stone for Type I gems, such as tanzanite.

We had a discussion about the definition of eye clean in the trade not too long ago, as a popular PS vendor recently described it as meaning no visible inclusions with a stone held 18-24" from the eye. That is absurd in my opinion, but it does go to show that the terms mean different things to different people. Naturally, buyers will hold it to a stricter standard, and it behooves sellers to interpret it more loosely.

That being said, some minor sugar inclusions wouldn't put me off a perfectly colored spess. Depending on the amount, size, and location of said inclusions, the stone may still qualify as eye clean. Personally, I am very strict about what I consider eye clean when I'm selling (and even more so when I'm buying). If I can see any inclusions with my naked eye from any distance, I immediately bump the gem down to at least VVS. Others feel differently. Hope this helps!
 
P.S. I am familiar with barion cuts (and love them), but I have never owed any, so I will defer to other PSers to answer that question! With regard to oval cuts and extinction, it's really going to depend on the quality of the cut itself. But, yes, generally speaking, with native or imprecise oval cuts, you will often see a shadow on one half of the gem at certain times. And you are correct that the effect is exaggerated in elongated ovals. But my precision cut oval spess from The Rare Gemstone Company shows zero, and I mean ZERO, extinction. (It's a wee bit chubby though!)
 
Autumn in New England said:
P.S. I am familiar with barion cuts (and love them), but I have never owed any, so I will defer to other PSers to answer that question! With regard to oval cuts and extinction, it's really going to depend on the quality of the cut itself. But, yes, generally speaking, with native or imprecise oval cuts, you will often see a shadow on one half of the gem at certain times. And you are correct that the effect is exaggerated in elongated ovals. But my precision cut oval spess from The Rare Gemstone Company shows zero, and I mean ZERO, extinction. (It's a wee bit chubby though!)
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Your Spess speaks to me. I wish it’s yours being listed in their inventory, while the current ones look ever slightly more elongated~
 
What do you think of this guy? Slightly chubby (8.64 x 7.19mm) and squarely within your budget. (Antony also regularly gives 15% discounts.) The cutting looks fabulous...

Spessartite Mandarin Garnet Oval 2.55 Carat - Rare Gemstone Company

They don't come better. Flawless, top cutting and the finest color possible in this gem type. Mandarins of this pedigree are rare.
www.theraregemstonecompany.com www.theraregemstonecompany.com
 
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