has anyone seen an intense orange sapphire?

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I''m looking for a 1.5 to 2. ct round or oval MAX price 2,000.00 for center stone on E-ring. Does anyone have any pics?

Thanks for the help

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[MINE!!]

When Iw as looking for the ''intense orange'' color... I was led to believe that in order to really get an intense orange, it would be a madarin garnet. I looked through many sites and did not see anything close to the color of the mandarin garnet. But perhaps the experts could help you more. Good luck!!!

 

[velouriaL]

First off, congratulations for choosing a colored stone as your centerpiece! You will not be disapointed!

Most of the really intense orange sapphires I''ve seen are Beryllium treated. From what I understand, and maybe some else can chime in here, these are essentially dyed to be that color and are decreased in value. A lot people take issue with this BE treatment and prefer sapphires that have only been heat treated, if at all.

Here''s a BE-treated orange sapphires from concavegems.com:

1.70 cts, 7x6.2mm, $787.50

Here''s some from AJSgems.com that has NOT been BE-treated, only heated:

1.58cts. @ 5.6x7.3x3.9mm, $1,262

If you like that color but want to go with something that''s not treated, I would recommend considering a spessartite garnet. They are spectacular!

Another concave cut gem, 2.53 cts, 8.2x6.8mm, $528.75

And another:

1.99cts. @ 6.2x7.1x4.7mm, $159

As you can see, you have a lot of options in a wide price range. You should be able to find something for under $2,000. Check out:
palagems.com
ajsgems.com
acstones.com
concavegems.com (if you like the look)
Multicolour.com
and many others! Just keep looking around the board!

 

[velouriaL]

I''m glad MINE! posted... I was going to mention to check out her FANTASTIC spessartite ring!

 

[MINE!!]

This one is mine.. The spess is more red than the mandarin garnet. BUt mine turns almost a sunkist orange in natural light (I neeed to get a picture of that)

I do know that the madarin garnets are not entirely clear. They have many inclusions, but they are coveted for their bright orange color. They are from Namibia and are apparently quite rare for anything above 5Cts... THough because fof their color and scarcity.. they are quite popular.

 

[MINE!!]

This is a picture of the namibia mandarin Garnet, you can see that they are not entirely clear (although I am sure that you could possibly find some in the smaller carats, albeit, paying for that priviledge) they are definitely.. ORANGE!!

 

[MINE!!]

BTW... Check out this thread in COlored Cemstones.. they are discussing orange spessarties.

https://www.pricescope.com/community/threads/stone-size-for-a-new-project.29544/

 

[MINE!!]

Ok.. One more... Here is an orange sapphire I found on awesomegems.com.. Not sure about the reputation about them though.. Do a search in the pricescope forums about them.. Or someone that has experience with them may chime in!

Here is a picture of an orange sapphire that SAYS that it is untreated. .74 cts and 6X4 and 1800$. It says that it is a VS Type II clarity.

You can find it on this page..
http://awesomegems.com/sapphire-orange.html

 

[lonewoodminer]

Hi

I agree with Velourial, most of the intense orange sapphire like it sounds like you want would probably be Berillium Heat treated. None the less they do look spectacular.Spessartite would be a great natural alternative.

Cheers Andrew Lane

 

[TKC]

I have one very intense orange sapphire. Here is the picture. The size of the sapphire is 1.85 carats. It has been heated only.

 

[TKC]

Here is another one that I have. This one, the treatment is still unknown (whether heated only or Be heated)

The size is 1.86 carats.

 

[TKC]

My advice is that do not buy any high price orange sapphire without accompanied by a lab. grading report from the respected and trusted lab. because most of orange sapphires on the market today are Beryllium diffusion heated, no matter where they are from.

 

[velouriaL]

TKC- Your stones are always so pretty!

 

[belle]

wow....look what i have been missing over here all day!

what yummy looking stones!

 

[valeria101]

Sure... there is natural sapphire as nicely colored as Be-treated ones but is rare enough to be a curiosity and it may be more expensive than you wish, but not necesarily. The trick is to find one at all !

You might want to try Judi - MJO recommended her shop recently. I see two sapphries that can be called "orange" on her list and there might be more if the color does not match your expectations.

a reddish orange "flame" trilion (link)

and a lighter version (link)

Since "pink" is what most expect from sapphire, a bit of yellow or orange in the color is called by exotic names ("peach", "flame") and discounted believe it or not. These are amazing colors on the red-side of orange. At some point, African sapphire of such reddish-orange tint was recognized as "padparatcha", priced and sold as such. The name did not stick for long. See what happened to this stone, it makes an interesting case, IMO.

Tradeshop shows off several orange stones at rather reasonable prices. There is the 1.1cts square on this page, but it is the long cushion cut top left on this page that made me mention the seller. You might want to ask...


Well, I do understand that orange is not usually thought to be reddish. These are more mainstream:

1.2 cts from Cherrypicked (link)

1.55 cts at Walter Arnstein (link) - search item No. U31, I cannot link direct to the relevant page.

Those are high end shops, Steve Perry Gems is different...

Funny what happens with sapphire prices on the other side of orange - the yellowish ones are quite a bit less expensive. Take a look at Africagems's quotes.

from $150/ct to $800/ct


Please excuse the rambling... perhaps the one line moral of the loose-end story is that any sapphire that can get lost in a crayon box is rare enough that each shop can charge thier own creative price for it.

Of the whole list, the long cushion at Tradeshop would make my day, and then perfection would have a certain sunkist color like that small .88 piece at Steve's. And the one TKC posted is very, very nice.

 

[valeria101]

Is this orange ? For those who want spinel to be pure red, it is...

1.67 cts spinel at Palagems # 6986

2.2 cts spinel at AJSgems

1.5 cts at AJSgems

Well... it is the last one that made me post this. I could not have hoped to see this color any time soon, but it just so happened.

 

[leggs]

I don''t know how to rate a stone very well but this nice sunset orange sapphire is presently being offered in ebay. Looks good to me and the seller sounds sincere..who knows.anyways here''s the link

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=10262&item=4999699284&rd=1

 

[belle]

here is the link to ebay stone leggs is referring to.

and a pic....

 

[valeria101]

Hm... "sunset sapphire", 3.5 carats... $1 & no reserve

The picture shows what the seller says: a spready stone with a small window and uncertain color. That the seller did not mind giving it away for $1 is a bit puzzling.

 

[Sasori]

At last view, its at $109 with another 9 hrs left. I''m quite sure the bid will close at something near its worth.

My general view on ebay items is that there are occasionaly good bargains on semi-precious stones, if one looks hard and be patient.Not everything is fishy and bad

 

[belle]

starting an auction with $1 no reserve is not so unusual....if it wasn't working, the sellers would certainly use another method..
what concerns me is the great color variation with the stone...of course there can be no true representation on a computer monitor, but the 2 photos of the same stone show very different......

 

[al88]

palagems: ??????? we ask for the GIA certifcate for one of their offer and silent .......

 

[Sasori]

I dont like the cutting of that orange sapphire. Do agree with Belle, the color differs greatly for 2 pics, cannot use differing pc as an excuse in this case haha...

 

[valeria101]

Date: 6/7/2005 11:50:22 AM
Author: al88
palagems: ??????? we ask for the GIA certifcate for one of their offer and silent .......

Was it one of the pieces they post prices for ? Otherwise they do not sell retail.

GIA reports are unusual for colored gems... but still, perhaps they should have replied with this very bit of info anyway.

 

[valeria101]

Date: 6/7/2005 11:41:05 AM
Author: belle
starting an auction with $1 no reserve is not so unusual....if it wasn't working, the sellers would certainly use another method..
what concerns me is the great color variation with the stone...of course there can be no true representation on a computer monitor, but the 2 photos of the same stone show very different......

Perhaps I am way old fashioned thinking this way, but the open bit still conveys seller's belief in the item's value to me. Just like the estimate at an auction. Aside that, there isn't much beyond doubt about the vast majority of eBay listings: sellers unknown, no lab reports and barely any means to determine if return policy works. It is allot easier to understand why would a shop make a "loss leader" out of small citrines than a large sapphire. I wish I knew how those no reserve auctions work.

Oh well... those pictures remind those of the Martian landscape that distorted color so much that blue became orange !

These comments (and the former) have nothing to do with eBay the large virtual marketplace - just the way this particular auction is presented. This is just my way of reading the information this seller has put forth, if their intention was very different from that conveyed of the vast majority of readers see it differently is way beyond my imagination

 

[MJO]

Date: 6/7/2005 12:51:49 PM
Author: valeria101

Date: 6/7/2005 11:41:05 AM
Author: belle
starting an auction with $1 no reserve is not so unusual....if it wasn''t working, the sellers would certainly use another method..
what concerns me is the great color variation with the stone...of course there can be no true representation on a computer monitor, but the 2 photos of the same stone show very different......

Perhaps I am way old fashioned thinking this way, but the open bit still conveys seller''s belief in the item''s value to me. Just like the estimate at an auction. Aside that, there isn''t much beyond doubt about the vast majority of eBay listings: sellers unknown, no lab reports and barely any means to determine if return policy works. It is allot easier to understand why would a shop make a ''loss leader'' out of small citrines than a large sapphire. I wish I knew how those no reserve auctions work.

Oh well... those pictures remind those of the Martian landscape that distorted color so much that blue became orange !

These comments (and the former) have nothing to do with eBay the large virtual marketplace - just the way this particular auction is presented. This is just my way of reading the information this seller has put forth, if their intention was very different from that conveyed of the vast majority of readers see it differently is way beyond my imagination

Hi Ana,

Most of the no reserve auctions are from Thai cutters. They buy alot of rough and pay nothing to have it cut. If they loose money on a particular stone it doesn''t matter because there are many others that people pay way to much for. Most people don''t have good brick and morter stores near them that know much about color stones. When these people bid they think they are getting a bargin so they too are happy with the results so the feedback is good.

Some great deals are out there though for cutters. I happen to know of one very famous cutter that bought a nice mandarin garnet dirt cheap on ebay.

 

[MINE!!]

OOOHHHH I LOVE THIS THREAD>.. all the pretty little oranges.. la la la

 

[TKC]

Thanks VelouriaL for your praise