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raqdim

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These are Emerald Cut diamonds. Which of these two loose diamonds are the best in quality? Which one you think has the highest brightness and fire? Also which one you think would look bigger once set on a setting?

Thank you in advance for your help.

Carat 1.23
Color H
Clarity VVS2
Graded By: GIA
Cut Good
Depth % 65.8
Table % 65.00
Symmetry Very Good
Polish Very Good
Girdle Medium
Culet None
Fluorescence None
Measurements 7.16x5.55x3.65

AND

Carat Weight: 1.18
Color: F
Clarity: VVS2
Graded By: GIA
Cut Grade: Very Good
Depth: 73.6%
Table: 68%
Girdle: Slightly Thick to Thick
Culet: None
Polish: Excellent
Symmetry: Very Good
Fluorescence: Faint
Measurements: 6.71 x 5.11 x 3.76
Length / Width Ratio: 1.31
 
IS THERE SOMEONE WHO CAN TAKE 2 MN FROM HIS TIME TO ANSWER MY QUESTION? GREAT!! THIS IS MY FIRST POSTING HERE IN THIS FORUM AND NO ONE BOTHERED TO GIVE ME SOME HELP.
HELLO.....IS THERE SOMEONE WHO IS WILLING TO HELP? THANKS YOU VERY MUCH.
 
I think I can TRY to help...

although the first one is bigger the second stone has a faint flor. This could cause the stone to have a blue hint to it. Its not a bad thing at all. Some people, like me actually look for it when they are looking at stones. The girdle on both is good, the second one is a little deep but you wont have a problem with either of them when it comes to chipping, depending on your setting.
 
#1 has better numbers. If you look in the tutorial section under fancy shape diamonds, you will find David Atlas'' cut grade chart for fancy shaped diamonds. I too am looking for an emerald cut and I have been using this chart as a guide. All the stones that have been presented to me as "ideal" cut stones fall within the parameters on that chart. In the end, you have to like what you see. Have you seen these stones?
 
Welcome to the forum! The reason that a lot of people have not replied is that fancy shaped diamonds cannot be judged just from the numbers like a round can. So truthfully, those numbers mean nothing to me and most others here. However, if you post the photos of the two stones, then you''ll get more replies. Do not buy an EC diamond unless you can see the stone or pictures of the stone. But Lady Lulu is right, you can eliminate some by using the cut chart.
 
You need to give thread some time in order to recieve responses. Plus, many here are leery of recommending ECs. Withou pictures/idealscopes, EC are VERY hard to judge only by their numbers. Ask the vendors to get you this other information.

However, I can rule out both for my own preferences for these 2 reasons. H is too low for me to go down in color. It will look a little warm. If you like that, as some here certainly do, fine. I do not. An H in an EC will look quite a bit warmer than in H in an ideal cut round.

The other diamond is way too deep and will face up small. Could still be beautiful, but will look smaller.
 
Thanks guys for your prompt response. Unfortunately, I don''t have any picture of the two pieces. I found them online with no pics. All what I''m looking for is a nice quality diamond that would have enough fire and brightness. Is there a large difference between an F and H color in EC. If there is none, then certainly I would go with 1st item since has good numbers and will look larger than 2nd item ( 7.16x5.55x3.65 vs 6.71x5.11x3.76 ).

Your suggestions?

Thanks much.
 
You need to see an H EC in person to see if you like the color. Yes there will be a difference between an F and an H.

Just because you found them online does not mean there are no pictures or they cannot be gotten for you. I highly recommend you contact the vendor and ask. I would never buy an EC without seeing it first. Your other option is to have them send the diamond to an independent appraiser in your area before you buy so you can see it for yourself. Not all vendors offer this but the best do.
 
Date: 11/7/2006 7:49:13 AM
Author: raqdim
IS THERE SOMEONE WHO CAN TAKE 2 MN FROM HIS TIME TO ANSWER MY QUESTION? GREAT!! THIS IS MY FIRST POSTING HERE IN THIS FORUM AND NO ONE BOTHERED TO GIVE ME SOME HELP.
HELLO.....IS THERE SOMEONE WHO IS WILLING TO HELP? THANKS YOU VERY MUCH.
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As DS says, fancies are a whole different ball game, they really need evaluating with your own two eyes to judge the performance. There are not many people here with real knowledge of EC's, so as this is the case, it is the norm to not get many answers unfortunately. People want to help, but in many cases like this they can't. Use the search tool and you will find lots of info which might help you. I am sorry you felt ignored, but as a veteran PSer I can assure you it wasn't deliberate by any of the regular posters.

The others have given you good advice, I would really want pictures of the various contenders before I pulled the trigger. Don't be fobbed off if this is the case, pictures can be taken even if they are not very good, they will give you some idea of how each diamond looks.
 
You posted way too early for me. At 12am in my neck of the woods this morning, I'm still in snoring in bed! That's probably why there were no replies.
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Fancy cut diamonds (non-round) are more difficult to purchase. Both diamonds you are looking at are possible contenders.

Diamond #1
Excellent numbers that have good potential to be a very pretty EC. Can't tell for sure.

Diamond #2
The numbers also show good potential to be a very pretty EC but is pretty deep at 73.6%, thus will also appear smaller.

Colour
You WILL see a difference between a H and a F in an EC. I previously had a G which is pretty white but now have an E which is icy cold white. Even though not side by side, the colour difference is visible.

Clarity
If you want to open up your options, vs1 is perfectly fine in ECs.

Pictures
Extremely important. Do request an Idealscope picture or even a "live" photograph. It will help verify if the EC is truly a performer as its numbers suggests. ECs are more than just the few numbers on the GIA report. Even 2 ECs with identical numbers can look very different. What you are looking for in the pictures are the look of the steps which will help determine the fire, brightness and scintillation. Ask for a top down view and a side view. The top down view is to gauge the steps (potential for bright/white light return and scintallation) and the side view is to check the crown height (potential for lots of fire/coloured light return). Until then, nobody can make any recommendation as to which stone will be the better EC.
 
I found these 2 diamonds at www.diamond.com . I contacted the vendor to send me pictures and he mentioned to me that he can''t (does it smell fishy?..... I don''t think so. I think that he does not have the items in stock and that he is getting them from a wholesaler). could you please let me know what do you think?
 
I just wanted to add that Tacori E-ring on this forum has a 1.7 ct. emerald cut diamond in I color set in platinum, and I have seen it in person, and it looks beautiful...definitely not warm! So I would really not discourage someone from looking at H. Here is a picture of her ring:

(ETA: the lighting in that picture is not the greatest, but I just happened to have that picture saved on my computer. There are others posted on this site that show the whiteness of the stone better.0

Tacoriering2.jpg
 
It means that he doesn''t own the stones, he goes through a broker. Have him have the broker take pictures of the stones, or better yet, can he send them to an independent appraiser that is near you? If he can''t, I would prefer to deal with a vendor who DOES have the stone in hand. Which is why I prefer certain online vendors for fancy cuts like ECs than others, because either they have the stone in their store or can easily take pictures, Sarin and Idealscope which would make the decision to pick the best EC so much easier.

My recommendation, in no particular order, would be Mark @ Engagement Rings Direct, Whiteflash, Jon @ Good Old Gold and James Allen/DCD. I have worked with all of them before but I am sure there are other vendors who could do just as swell a job with excellent service.
 
I was able to get this picture for the following stone. What do you think guys? I don''t know if I''ll be able to get a pic for the 2 loose diamond to compare with. YOUR THOUGHTS guys?

Carat Weight: 1.18
Color: F
Clarity: VVS2
Graded By: GIA
Cut Grade: Very Good
Depth: 73.6%
Table: 68%
Girdle: Slightly Thick to Thick
Culet: None
Polish: Excellent
Symmetry: Very Good
Fluorescence: Faint
Measurements: 6.71 x 5.11 x 3.76
Length / Width Ratio: 1.31

 
I''m sorry to say all I got was a box with a red X. Maybe it''s just me?
 
Pic doesn''t work...
 
My bad here you go. Find attached the picture.

I was able to get this picture for the following stone. What do you think guys? I don''t know if I''ll be able to get a pic for the 2 loose diamond to compare with. YOUR THOUGHTS guys?

Carat Weight: 1.18
Color: F
Clarity: VVS2
Graded By: GIA
Cut Grade: Very Good
Depth: 73.6%
Table: 68%
Girdle: Slightly Thick to Thick
Culet: None
Polish: Excellent
Symmetry: Very Good
Fluorescence: Faint
Measurements: 6.71 x 5.11 x 3.76
Length / Width Ratio: 1.31

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I am not sure if it is the angle of the diamond or maybe it is dirty but it doesn't "speak" to me. It looks rather dull and glassy.

Here are some pictures of what I would consider very attractive ECs with great performance.
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Magnified to check for inclusion(s) or lack of.
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imagescope1.JPG

Idealscope picture to show the excellent light performance
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sideemer.JPG

Actual photograph that shows the gorgeous steps.

DI40X_GIA13399417.jpg

Another "live" photograph showing the evenness of the steps, no glaring dark steps, and super deep look.

IS_GIA13399417.jpg

ETA: Added idealscope picture of the above diamond.
 
what is the color - clarity of the stones above.
 
I''ll have to check on them. They are someone else''s diamonds that I''m just posting for reference. Colour and clarity has very little bearing on the stone''s performance. Cut is what determines how sparkly and fiery the EC will look.
 
the link to the stone i referenced is directly under the picture.
it's f/vvs1
 
The second EC I posted belongs to Laozx who purchased it in August 2004 from Whiteflash.

1.37ct EC
GIA cert
F vvs2
Depth 65.1%
Table 62%
Girdle Medium
Culet None
Polish Excellent
Symmetry VG
Fl Faint
Dimension 7.24mm x 5.65mm x 3.68

ETA
Crown 13.6%
Pavilon 49.2%

I can't seem to find any information on the first EC I posted.
 
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