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Shiny_Rock
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But, if you intend to move forward with another vendor, please be aware that stones are grown by nature and won’t come without inclusions.
I literally made this exact point multiple times...
But, if you intend to move forward with another vendor, please be aware that stones are grown by nature and won’t come without inclusions.
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Just wanted to bring my masculine perspective to this thread, since obviously, these silly, petty, emotional females cannot be trusted with anything business related. Honestly, why are you all even posting here? Isn't there something in the kitchen that needs tending to? ...
Oh yes, I forgot about those conflabbed new portable computer things.
Seems I am missing a lot of messages that show up later.
I have truly been nothing but cordial with Ed this whole time. Vividly transparent, honest, and straight forward with what I desired. He said he would do it and took my money. If it was impossible to do, he should have just said no. But Yes, another wholesale gem stone dealer I took it to locally in Austin, TX (if anyone was in this area id prove its truly not loupe clean. Not even eye clean, as ive been saying) and another guy who cuts emeralds and other stones from the rough both say it was not loupe clean and whoever sold it to me, if what I say about loupe clean is true, I was deceived.
Also, the cut is very out of alignment. I saw this and they mentioned it. The wholesale dealer, who is also a one man show, said if it was his stone, he would recut it due to its asymmetrical backside.
I would, and will prove all of this with pictures when I get the chance. I work 6 days a week and at the moment only have a phone to take pics, and that was the best photo I can even get of the sapphire without it being blurry.
I believe what happened with Ed was he got in over his head, mentioning he destroyed many corals in this process and doesn't want to lose so much $. But I can't be responsible for that. We agreed to a certain amount and after the first failed coral he told me about ( I asked him after that if he even wanted to continue... Only Later after he says he found a flawless one does he tell me he destroyed many corals.) But again. I never asked him to destroy them. I only agreed that for a flawless coral I would pay $2000. I was never consulted on any destruction. Told about it Later, yes... And he was in over his head. Probably couldn't find the desired sapphire either so it seems he was like screw it. I have your flawless items. When sadly, they are not.
And I've recently seen and was told by the local seller that yes corals do come cleaner than his. And its chipped.. And that $2000 for a 4ct red coral is way too much.
Here's the thing. I dont care about the price. I'll gladly double pay for the true items we agreed to. But these are not them. And as I told Ed, 'Ed I'm so very sorry to inform you, but I cannot accept these items as they are not what we agreed to"
Then he starts flaming me with insults.
And that is the 1000% truth.
I think this is very sensible advice and I hope it is not discounted (since you seem to be a woman, after all!) I don't think anyone is objecting to the OP taking this course of action.
Personally I find it in poor taste to trash someone's professional reputation without providing photographic evidence of an apparent transactional failure. That's all.
Rutile*. And.. Its gorgeous, but the cut is off for a 7k 3.5 yellow. Prob should habe paid 4k for this
Rutile*. And.. Its gorgeous, but the cut is off for a 7k 3.5 yellow. Prob should habe paid 4k for this
@StarRHnegative -
Can you pls take a photo of the front of the coral? And - I'm sorry to deviate here but...that color is insanely gorgeous! Was the coral not set? If so - how were you able to get this photo?
Just curious....
I cited ruby because that's the gemstone I know how to evaluate the best. Avid ruby lover.You're comparing a ruby.. Which are much more difficult to find clean and large of 1 ct... Vs 25ct..... Hahaha 25 ct... Really? Of course its not linear. A 3 ct emerald clean minor oil might go for 20000 but rockerfellers sexy emerald of 17ct 5.5 mill..
But a 2 ct yellow compared to a 3 ct yellow.. Not much difference.
Hi,
I have never heard of a vendor charging to source a stone. After all, their business always sources new stones. You sell one, you find more to sell. If someone want a custom cut of a type of stone, this is different. A custom order may not be easily re-sold. Thus either a no return policy or a charge to take it back. This appears to be the way most vendors operate. You can contact three or four vendors to look for a stone of certain specks for you. You are not going to pay for their "search".
There are two things that I ask the OP.
1. Why did you pay up-front for gems that were not even in he hands of ED?. I suggest you do not do this again. EVER
2. Why did you not return the gems within the return period. 7days for the yellow sapphire?
If you go to court, make sure you have written analysis of the yellow sapphire from any gemologist you took it to. That's documentation.
I'm an old timer on here. People change and viewpoints change. In the olden days, Ed from Wildfish Gems was not recommended. His prices are way out there. But he is a nice man.
There is a woman who had a 5 ct yellow sapphire for sale of Loupe Troop a while ago. It may be heat treated, but is beautiful. It belongs to Diamond Seeker and was cut by Jeff White. She wanted 6,000 for it. If Lovedogs is not mad at me for my post, perhaps she can pull up the stone for you. I am computer illiterate.
If you did not get what was contracted with ED, contact your creditcard compny. I hope you can resolve this.
Annette
Hi,
I have never heard of a vendor charging to source a stone. After all, their business always sources new stones. You sell one, you find more to sell. If someone want a custom cut of a type of stone, this is different. A custom order may not be easily re-sold. Thus either a no return policy or a charge to take it back. This appears to be the way most vendors operate. You can contact three or four vendors to look for a stone of certain specks for you. You are not going to pay for their "search".
There are two things that I ask the OP.
1. Why did you pay up-front for gems that were not even in he hands of ED?. I suggest you do not do this again. EVER
2. Why did you not return the gems within the return period. 7days for the yellow sapphire?
If you go to court, make sure you have written analysis of the yellow sapphire from any gemologist you took it to. That's documentation.
I'm an old timer on here. People change and viewpoints change. In the olden days, Ed from Wildfish Gems was not recommended. His prices are way out there. But he is a nice man.
There is a woman who had a 5 ct yellow sapphire for sale of Loupe Troop a while ago. It may be heat treated, but is beautiful. It belongs to Diamond Seeker and was cut by Jeff White. She wanted 6,000 for it. If Lovedogs is not mad at me for my post, perhaps she can pull up the stone for you. I am computer illiterate.
If you did not get what was contracted with ED, contact your creditcard compny. I hope you can resolve this.
Annette
Is this the stone you were thinking of? This is the one that came to my mind as well.
https://loupetroop.com/listings/loo...f-white-vibrant-yellow-asscher-sapphire;25131
Looks like it is definitely loupe-clean, but it is heated. I'm pretty sure the OP is adamant about it being unheated for some sort of healing properties. Apparently heated stones lose all of the healing powers. Or do the heated stones heal RH+ people (aka the monkeys), while unheated stones heal RH- people (aka the superior alien beings)? I'm still confused.
It's not my stone, but yes, it was already suggested to op on a different thread and op was not interested.Hi,
I have never heard of a vendor charging to source a stone. After all, their business always sources new stones. You sell one, you find more to sell. If someone want a custom cut of a type of stone, this is different. A custom order may not be easily re-sold. Thus either a no return policy or a charge to take it back. This appears to be the way most vendors operate. You can contact three or four vendors to look for a stone of certain specks for you. You are not going to pay for their "search".
There are two things that I ask the OP.
1. Why did you pay up-front for gems that were not even in he hands of ED?. I suggest you do not do this again. EVER
2. Why did you not return the gems within the return period. 7days for the yellow sapphire?
If you go to court, make sure you have written analysis of the yellow sapphire from any gemologist you took it to. That's documentation.
I'm an old timer on here. People change and viewpoints change. In the olden days, Ed from Wildfish Gems was not recommended. His prices are way out there. But he is a nice man.
There is a woman who had a 5 ct yellow sapphire for sale of Loupe Troop a while ago. It may be heat treated, but is beautiful. It belongs to Diamond Seeker and was cut by Jeff White. She wanted 6,000 for it. If Lovedogs is not mad at me for my post, perhaps she can pull up the stone for you. I am computer illiterate.
If you did not get what was contracted with ED, contact your creditcard compny. I hope you can resolve this.
Annette
But how does it work if someone comes from the superior Aryan Rh- bloodline but is also a Jew? Asking for a friend...*
*It's me.
I believe the OP had said he already checked into it and could sue in Texas even with all the other factors. However, I'm not sure if that's correct.
Apparently, disputes over internet sales from different states are even difficult, let alone different countries. A list of the usual criteria in determining it is listed here:
https://www.nolo.com/legal-encyclopedia/free-books/small-claims-book/chapter21-7.html
And then apparently even if you do win, it can be very difficult to collect anyway:
"If a judgment is entered in your favor, the court does not collect the judgment for you, nor can it force the party to pay the judgment. It is very difficult to collect a money judgment in Texas. Only non-exempt property of the judgment debtor may be seized to satisfy the judgment. Most judgment debtors do not have non-exempt property; in other words, most people have only exempt property. It is likely that it will be difficult to recover any money. Please consider this before you take the time and expense of filing a lawsuit..."
https://www.traviscountytx.gov/justices-of-peace/jp3/filing-lawsuit
Even if everything the OP has said is the truth and the whole story, I think I'd either keep the stones, take the 2/3 refund offered, or look to the credit card company or PayPal for recourse. However, if he paid 3 payments over an extended period of time in the past, that's a whole new set of rules to look up.
I’m also still confused, because I have O+ blood so I guess I’m a monkey, but I’m also a Clair and an angel on earth, so how does that work?
I believe the OP had said he already checked into it and could sue in Texas even with all the other factors. However, I'm not sure if that's correct.
Apparently, disputes over internet sales from different states are even difficult, let alone different countries. A list of the usual criteria in determining it is listed here:
https://www.nolo.com/legal-encyclopedia/free-books/small-claims-book/chapter21-7.html
And then apparently even if you do win, it can be very difficult to collect anyway:
"If a judgment is entered in your favor, the court does not collect the judgment for you, nor can it force the party to pay the judgment. It is very difficult to collect a money judgment in Texas. Only non-exempt property of the judgment debtor may be seized to satisfy the judgment. Most judgment debtors do not have non-exempt property; in other words, most people have only exempt property. It is likely that it will be difficult to recover any money. Please consider this before you take the time and expense of filing a lawsuit..."
https://www.traviscountytx.gov/justices-of-peace/jp3/filing-lawsuit
Even if everything the OP has said is the truth and the whole story, I think I'd either keep the stones, take the 2/3 refund offered, or look to the credit card company or PayPal for recourse. However, if he paid 3 payments over an extended period of time in the past, that's a whole new set of rules to look up.
Totally off topic but this thread is bananas anyway so...Did you ever write about being Clair anywhere? Like get into detail? I find that very intriguing. I’ve always wished I was more of a sensitive type.
I may have mentioned it once or twice before. It’s Clair cognizance ( clear knowing, I just know certain things), and I tried to turn it off because I ain’t got time for that. Lol. It’s very easy to take on other people’s energies and problems, and often (like even with parties I throw at my house), I have to go to my room, turn off the lights and take a 10 minute break to calm down.
Other Clairs recognize me, which is always strange and interesting and usually happens in the strangest of places (like once in a horse barn at a race track).
Basically, I don’t know how to “work it” and so far in my life I haven’t wanted to learn.
That’s really neat but I can imagine how draining that could be for you. As a total introvert, I can’t even imagine how much more exhausting social functions would become.
O-, Saggitarius sun sign, Saggitarius Ascendant.0-. Congrats. My fellow alien