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How do you find your diamond-peace with the beautiful yet less than super-ideal stones in your life?

To me, @Lpsl, it sounds like you are not entirely happy with your diamond. Yes, there are things you like about it, and you feel an attachment to it because it has been with you through the highs and lows of the last several years. But still, you are on this forum asking how to love it, how to make peace with it. I'm not sure that's a good sign.

To me, when I love something, I know in my heart, in my bone marrow, that I love it. That doesn't mean it doesn't have flaws, it just means I love the thing or person anyway. I don't have to ask others how to make peace with it. (It's like what they say about orgasms... if you have to ask if you've had one... you haven't.)

As a female, I was brought up to be a people pleaser -- if I had any desires other than what was good for others, I was labeled as "bad." To this day, my parents think I'm a bad person because I spend some of my disposable income on myself (for sparklies). It has taken me YEARS to finally be able to tell my inner circle that putting together a small but high quality jewelry wardrobe is important to me. I still can't tell my parents or even show them most of my bling.

So when I read your original post, I worry that societal pressure to be a "good" female ("good" females are selfless and don't ask for things for themselves like jewelry or other non-essentials) is making you feel guilty for not really being at peace with your engagement ring. Or you are worried about hurting your husband by telling him your true feelings.

I just don't want that to be the case for you. It's OKAY to want something different if you do (and its OKAY to love the one you have too). You and your family may not be in a position financially to change diamonds right now, but that doesn't mean that will always be the case if that is your wish. We can't always get what we want immediately, but we can down the road if we work hard in that direction.

For me, I was very unhappy with my first engagement ring. My husband took me to look at rings at a place that was very high end. He selected rings for me to try on and I did, selecting an arrangement and setting I liked from the ones he showed me. Months later when he proposed, he did so with a ring absolutely nothing like what I had selected. I didn't say anything because we had so many other things to do and purchase at that time we didn't have the money, time or mental bandwidth to change rings. But I was unhappy for years and years with it. I knew in my core I wanted something different.

Fifteen years in, we upgraded my original ring for the one I have now. It took us that long to be financially secure enough to start buying the type of jewelry I wanted (first we had paid off his student loans, paid down our mortgage, saved for retirement, etc etc). It also took that long for my husband to understand that having a small, high quality jewelry collection meant to me. And the 15 year upgrade only happened because I led the way and made it happen. He is not a gift giver, so to this day, I buy my own jewelry, though now at least it's with his support and encouragement (and that means the world to me).

So, I really think only you can figure out if you love your ring and it's the forever one or not. And life is long (hopefully) and our tastes change and evolve.

Good luck and enjoy your ring -- whether or not it's the forever one there's still a lot of pleasure you can get from it. Take it on a date like someone suggested earlier and see it in different lighting. Take pics of it with different outfits. Enjoy it. If down the road when circumstances allow, you decide you want a different one, that's OKAY!
 
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My answer is simple. After many years of seeing old cuts I Just knew when I saw bubbalah that she was perfect. For me ♥️
And I’m even more in love with her now. Just like how I feel about my dh. Somehow I love him even more today than I could have ever imagined or promised…line from this song



 
My Avatar diamond had too many splintery flashes of light for my eyes. I had it in a three stone with 2 small natural rubies and really disliked it. Having it reset in a bezel (David Klass, natural French cut sapphires and platinum) made me love it. Now I feel good when I wear it and I get so many compliments. For me the setting made all the difference.
 
To this day, my parents think I'm a bad person because I spend some of my disposable income on myself (for sparklies). It


For me, I was very unhappy with my first engagement ring. My husband took me to look at rings at a place that was very high end. He selected rings for me to try on and I did, selecting an arrangement and setting I liked from the ones he showed me. Months later when he proposed, he did so with a ring absolutely nothing like what I had selected. I didn't say anything because we

A comment and a question. How sad that your parents put so little value on your happiness. Why are you to always be last in line?

And I am dying to know what happened with the proposal. What possessed your husband to have you pick something and then propose with something different?
 
reread everything you have written about your diamond. How you got to where you are with it, how it is always complimented, how you don’t want to start over.

^ This 100%.

Years ago and way before I found PS, I did all kinds of online and in-person "research" and surmised that my wife's e-ring stone -- that I had painstakingly picked out years earlier in the diamond district of a big east-coast city -- must be pretty ordinary. I knew all the GIA stuff on the report back then but there were no reported C and P angles, etc. It looked like a pretty stone and, 4 C's-wise, was "good" and within budget. Anyway, with my new-found expertise, I said that we should upgrade her diamond. She looked at me like I was nuts and said "I love my diamond -- I'm never replacing it." She explained that this was the actual diamond I proposed with -- and she loves it (in truth it is completely non-embarrassing). I was kinda stunned but that was the end of that.

Now he can always buy you something else with a truly killer diamond -- no one has forbidden me from pursuing that angle. :cool2:
 
I think the perspective you have when purchasing a stone or piece of jewelry plays into things. I love vintage and antique items, and those tend to be a little wonky and to have some imperfections as part of the charm. But it’s true, when purchasing a new stone it’s easy to obsess about finding perfection. But it gets to a point where it’s splitting hairs and a lot of stones will still be very pleasing to the eye without being in the super ideal stratosphere. If it’s not in the budget right now, I’d consider taking a break from PS if it’s making you stress out. Otherwise start a separate account where you put aside a little $ every month and pick a milestone anniversary where you’d like to plan an upgrade. There’s nothing wrong with eventually wanting your dream ring, and it’s also very responsible to know that it’s not the right time now.
 
So, I found this forum after my first ering. Then, I became obsessed with diamonds. At first, I upgraded for size. When I had hit the 2 carat mark, I started to upgrade for cut. And let me tell you, I never went with a super ideal vendor bc I was tied to my jeweler for upgrades. I used to spend countless hours obsessing over super ideal—and I hadn’t even seen one in real life yet!
My previous 2.5 diamond actually fell within the ideal proportions but I hated the tint and clarity and even the cut did not persuade me to keep it. My current 2.9 is not ideal, but it is a Gia E and si 1 super eye clean stone triple excellent (which many call steep deep but is borderline ideal bc of rounding numbers—check my threads) And when I set it next to my sister’s ACA I 2 carat, I do not discern a noticeable sparkle/shine/brightness difference! That was the shocker bc at some point, I considered a recut to see what I was missing. Bc if i did do the recut, I would prob lose little carat weight and have an E!! If I priced an ACA E at even 2.8, it would cost double what I paid!!
And yet, I don’t want to. In part, bc I don’t see the difference. But also, bc now that ideal cut lab growns have become so ubiquitous, I have zero interest in supporting the diamond industry. But mostly, bc the thrill and sense of accomplishment in the quest for a perfect diamond is now gone for me. I am done with diamonds. I have more than enough as it is that I purchased estate. So my advice to you is: love what you have, stop obsessing OR realize that you can get a lab grown for so cheap, stick your natural in the bank vault and carry on. The natural diamond industry needs to stabilize before you sink any more money into it.
 
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I felt this way also but with my earrings. My current e-ring is vintage and I love vintage stones so the cut factor is a bit different in terms of cut for MRB. But I bought my earrings shortly before discovering this forum and really wish I could’ve gone back in a time machine and gotten ACAs because at the time I could’ve gotten lower color ACAs for almost the same price. I got to the point where I wanted to try and sell my current earrings even at a loss. So I ordered an ACA diamond so I could compare. And you know, I could see a difference, but it wasn’t for me a knock your socks off difference. Not enough to sell the current earrings at a loss and then spend more to get ACA… my advice would be to try to see an ACA in person to decide whether or not you might want to work toward a super ideal or keep your own. It might surprise you! I actually wrote an entire thread about it, and have footage of the ACA next to my MRB. I realize that earrings are a completely different sentiment than the importance of an engagement ring and engagement ring is going to be a more important item. But even so you might want just try to look at one of the ACA cuts in person and that might give you the peace that you need.
 
I felt this way also but with my earrings. My current e-ring is vintage and I love vintage stones so the cut factor is a bit different in terms of cut for MRB. But I bought my earrings shortly before discovering this forum and really wish I could’ve gone back in a time machine and gotten ACAs because at the time I could’ve gotten lower color ACAs for almost the same price. I got to the point where I wanted to try and sell my current earrings even at a loss. So I ordered an ACA diamond so I could compare. And you know, I could see a difference, but it wasn’t for me a knock your socks off difference. Not enough to sell the current earrings at a loss and then spend more to get ACA… my advice would be to try to see an ACA in person to decide whether or not you might want to work toward a super ideal or keep your own. It might surprise you! I actually wrote an entire thread about it, and have footage of the ACA next to my MRB. I realize that earrings are a completely different sentiment than the importance of an engagement ring and engagement ring is going to be a more important item. But even so you might want just try to look at one of the ACA cuts in person and that might give you the peace that you need.

This is so very helpful- thank you! I’ve always assumed there would be something otherworldly and magical about a super-ideal, and several comments here have helped to put that into perspective. Sure they’re great, yet nothing is all things to all eyes.

I find my stone blindingly beautiful under so many different lighting conditions- I’m mesmerized -to distraction- by it. As I am with my husband: in all our imperfections, we are all that to each other, and nothing else matters ♥️

If that’s not loving it, I’m not sure what is.
 
So, I found this forum after my first ering. Then, I became obsessed with diamonds. At first, I upgraded for size. When I had hit the 2 carat mark, I started to upgrade for cut. And let me tell you, I never went with a super ideal vendor bc I was tied to my jeweler for upgrades. I used to spend countless hours obsessing over super ideal—and I hadn’t even seen one in real life yet!
My previous 2.5 diamond actually fell within the ideal proportions but I hated the tint and clarity and even the cut did not persuade me to keep it. My current 2.9 is not ideal, but it is a Gia E and si 1 super eye clean stone triple excellent (which many call steep deep but is borderline ideal bc of rounding numbers—check my threads) And when I set it next to my sister’s ACA I 2 carat, I do not discern a noticeable sparkle/shine/brightness difference! That was the shocker bc at some point, I considered a recut to see what I was missing. Bc if i did do the recut, I would prob lose little carat weight and have an E!! If I priced an ACA E at even 2.8, it would cost double what I paid!!
And yet, I don’t want to. In part, bc I don’t see the difference. But also, bc now that ideal cut lab growns have become so ubiquitous, I have zero interest in supporting the diamond industry. But mostly, bc the thrill and sense of accomplishment in the quest for a perfect diamond is now gone for me. I am done with diamonds. I have more than enough as it is that I purchased estate. So my advice to you is: love what you have, stop obsessing OR realize that you can get a lab grown for so cheap, stick your natural in the bank vault and carry on. The natural diamond industry needs to stabilize before you sink any more money into it.

Thank you for this! Indeed I have not ever seen a duper ideal IRL- at least not to my knowledge. I do love what I have- and want to wear and enjoy her (appropriately insured). She will enjoy the light of day and sparkle on. Thank you for sharing this reality check!
 
^ This 100%.

Years ago and way before I found PS, I did all kinds of online and in-person "research" and surmised that my wife's e-ring stone -- that I had painstakingly picked out years earlier in the diamond district of a big east-coast city -- must be pretty ordinary. I knew all the GIA stuff on the report back then but there were no reported C and P angles, etc. It looked like a pretty stone and, 4 C's-wise, was "good" and within budget. Anyway, with my new-found expertise, I said that we should upgrade her diamond. She looked at me like I was nuts and said "I love my diamond -- I'm never replacing it." She explained that this was the actual diamond I proposed with -- and she loves it (in truth it is completely non-embarrassing). I was kinda stunned but that was the end of that.

Now he can always buy you something else with a truly killer diamond -- no one has forbidden me from pursuing that angle. :cool2:

This is wonderful, thank you. Yeah, we could have gotten more for our money: heck, we bought at the most recent price peak for natural mined stones in 2021! Yet we made the best choice for us at the time we needed to make it. This is our stone, along for the ride on our journey, and yeah… would not change it for anything, yes, there may be room for a new piece or pieces, yet this one will remain our first and forever stone. ♥️
 
My answer is simple. After many years of seeing old cuts I Just knew when I saw bubbalah that she was perfect. For me ♥️
And I’m even more in love with her now. Just like how I feel about my dh. Somehow I love him even more today than I could have ever imagined or promised…line from this song




This, yes. THIS.♥️
 
Runningwithscissors : “Good luck and enjoy your ring -- whether or not it's the forever one there's still a lot of pleasure you can get from it. Take it on a date like someone suggested earlier and see it in different lighting. Take pics of it with different outfits. Enjoy it. If down the road when circumstances allow, you decide you want a different one, that's OKAY!”

Yes, yes, yes. Have been doing exactly this, and loving it ♥️
 
This is so very helpful- thank you! I’ve always assumed there would be something otherworldly and magical about a super-ideal, and several comments here have helped to put that into perspective. Sure they’re great, yet nothing is all things to all eyes.

I find my stone blindingly beautiful under so many different lighting conditions- I’m mesmerized -to distraction- by it. As I am with my husband: in all our imperfections, we are all that to each other, and nothing else matters ♥️

If that’s not loving it, I’m not sure what is.

Here is my IG link that shows GIA next to ACA


And my thread about it

 
Oh, I forgot to mention.
I also bought a perfectly-cut MRB that's D IF.
Maybe I'll get it set into a solo earring some day.

It's only 22 points, but hey, that MOFO is a real fireball.

I thought they closed the MOFO mine.

This isn't going away. We want to see it.
 
Here is my IG link that shows GIA next to ACA


And my thread about it


Thank you for sharing. Going back to read your thread. And the side-by-side is fabulous, exactly what I needed to see…
 
I find my stone blindingly beautiful under so many different lighting conditions- I’m mesmerized -to distraction- by it. As I am with my husband: in all our imperfections, we are all that to each other, and nothing else matters ♥️

If that’s not loving it, I’m not sure what is.

Seems to me you’ve answered your own conundrum here.
You’ve figured it out, love and embrace the uniqueness of your jewelry and your story <3
 
I have a large-ish mined diamond that has a yellowish streak, which I didn't mind at first in an upgraded e- ring. It seemed to me camoflauged in the yellow gold setting. It was also the reason the price was within my reach (this was before lab diamonds became popular or I probably would have gone with a lab diamond instead). But then I changed my mind and did mind the streak. I also decided I didn't like wearing a large-ish diamond ring after all.

So I had it re-made into a bracelet. The yellowish streak is not noticeable to me that way and I enjoy wearing my diamond again. (I also feel less self-conscious about its size that way and less like a potential target for robbery, because people don't seem to know it's a diamond when it's set in the bangle bracelet).

I know it also seems strange to buy a large-ish diamond then want to disguise it lol but that's just how it worked out for me in the end. Point being, I think you just can't know everything until you wear a piece for a while. And what we like can also change over time.

So anyway, one idea is to consider having the diamond remade into something else. Flaws, low color etc. seem to me most noticeable in a ring, especially an e-ring. But they might be just fine to you in a bracelet or a pendant, or maybe even in a right-hand ring.

Now I don't have a diamond e-ring but I don't care, for now anyway. I have several other rings I wear instead, cubic zirconia, plain band, etc. I might get a smaller, more perfect lab diamond e-ring sometime or not, IDK. In my mind, I already have a large-ish mined diamond and one is enough for me, whether it's in an e-ring or elsewhere.

Personally, the only option I decided against was re-selling any (mined) diamonds. Once I have one, I will either re-fashion the piece or pass it down. It seems to me you just take too much of a loss by selling but jmo.

I would love to see that diamond!
 
"Point being, I think you just can't know everything until you wear a piece for a while. And what we like can also change over time."
I love this. Every diamond I have has followed this path.
 
Reconciling perfection: perfect vs perfect-for-us…l



How do you all reconcile the endless availability of diamond perfection (and perhaps perfectionism) with the beautiful-yet perhaps not supermodel-perfect diamonds in your life?



I mean- there are supermodels, and there are endless depths of unique, non-super ideal beauty in the world. The human part of this is easy- most of us are not nor do we care about or strive to be supermodels. Unique and humane and good and kind are goals.



I am struggling a bit when it comes to diamonds. We *can* have perfection if we want it and know how to find it- at pretty much any price point. Perfection is accessible to those in the know.



How do you find your peace with your [diamond] piece(s) - in their uniquely beautiful and special-to-you imperfection?



I love love love the community here- transparency, respect, generous (selfless?) sharing of wit, wonder, and wisdom, guiding us all toward the best diamond value for our hard-earned dollars.



Like many here, I found PriceScope too late to inform the big purchase of our natural mined stone and engagement ring.



Like many here, we naively thought GIA ideal meant ideal - and that the playing field (shopping field) was level. We knew nothing of steep deeps, fluorescence, sub-optimal proportions, or how to judge the nuances of light performance.



We knew nothing of ASET scopes or other light performance images. The Whiteflash website was so over the top - disturbingly flashy and overwhelming to newbies, compared to the more approachable BN and JA.



Our first diamond was a dog. In trying to figure out why, I learned *a little bit* after stumbling on DiamDB… enough to understand that our ‘ideal’ cut D-color VVS1 diamond was a steep-deep with fluorescence that did make it very milky in natural sunlight.



We exchanged for a different stone, which we have to this day. I used some proportion ranges in selection this time, yet still knew nothing off the sweet spots for table percentage, crown angle or pavilion angle alone, let alone the importance of different combinations of these. We knew nothing of super-ideals —- I mean wasn’t ideal supposed to be exactly that?



My husband is an engineer who -had he known- would have wound up with WF ACA or Jann Paul Decagon- the most perfect of perfect within our budget.



Yet we didn’t know. I have learned more and opted against tormenting him with this info. We are past the engagement, new diamond, and newlywed stage (well, relatively: our second anniversary is coming up this winter). We’ve moved way past thinking about diamonds…. eixcept for the time I spend here- reading more, learning more, gaping at all the super-ideal and/or antique beauty of PSers jewels.



We all understand that there will always be a bigger better, more perfect stone. My question for folks in this forum is… how do you stop the madness for yourselves and love what you have?



My stone is 1.51, GIA Ideal/ Ex/Ex. Color I, VVS2. She is a sparkler that draws attention wherever we go. She falls within GIA Excellent and AGS 0 range in that color-coded overlap grid on HCA. She does not have ideal proportions- she’s HCA 3.7 and “probably sparkles and looks a good size for her carat weight” [ she does, on both counts], with very good light return and very good spread.



She has been with us through a COVID romance and marriage, transcontinental relocation, new homes and old and new friends, and an amazing life we could not have imagined before March 2020.



I stare at her often and am finding my peace in loving our uniquely beautiful yet imperfect stone.



[fair warning, I am also a longtime TPFer, which is where I discovered PriceScope. There’s more than a little overlap between these communities.]



I am interested in your stories and your journeys! How do you all find your peace?

Can I just thank you for writing this post? It is just so relatable. I am in the middle of trying to change out my upgrade after learning so much on here, and even with all of the knowledge it is still so hard and overwhelming! Stones that I may like in person get downvoted here. Yesterday a jeweler was relating to me on just how hard it is to find beautiful diamonds, and mentioned that she wears none herself because she would always be looking with a critical eye. But then she reminded me to try and step back for a moment, because getting too technical can drown out the "life" of a stone and the way it "speaks" to you - it may be imperfect in technical terms, but it is true that they have a feel to them, and that is what should matter most afterall! Most people walking around have not even .00001% of the knowledge we have gained here, and I guarantee 80% of diamond rings sparkle and shine with the best of them without any of this agonizing comparison. I'm right here with you though, it feels like a constant journey!
 
Can I just thank you for writing this post? It is just so relatable. I am in the middle of trying to change out my upgrade after learning so much on here, and even with all of the knowledge it is still so hard and overwhelming! Stones that I may like in person get downvoted here. Yesterday a jeweler was relating to me on just how hard it is to find beautiful diamonds, and mentioned that she wears none herself because she would always be looking with a critical eye. But then she reminded me to try and step back for a moment, because getting too technical can drown out the "life" of a stone and the way it "speaks" to you - it may be imperfect in technical terms, but it is true that they have a feel to them, and that is what should matter most afterall! Most people walking around have not even .00001% of the knowledge we have gained here, and I guarantee 80% of diamond rings sparkle and shine with the best of them without any of this agonizing comparison. I'm right here with you though, it feels like a constant journey!

Thank you so much for responding! What you describe is exactly what motivated my original post. Right here with you, too!
 
I dont require perfection but if there is a flaw that interferes with my enjoyment of a pice of jewelry then I replace it assuming it is worth the hassle. So for example I have an OEC that is SI1 but I can’t see the inclusion and I’m fine with that. I had a VS2 MRB that I could only see the flaw with a loupe and even then it was only a grey smudge. But the flaw was black and on the table and it looked bad under 40x so it bugged me psychologically. I replaced it with something that cost twice as much. The funny thing is, that MRB was a really pretty diamond and the inclusion did not affect appearance at all. I would totally recommend it to someone else, especially with the cost savings due to the inclusion.
 
So, I found this forum after my first ering. Then, I became obsessed with diamonds. At first, I upgraded for size. When I had hit the 2 carat mark, I started to upgrade for cut. And let me tell you, I never went with a super ideal vendor bc I was tied to my jeweler for upgrades. I used to spend countless hours obsessing over super ideal—and I hadn’t even seen one in real life yet!
My previous 2.5 diamond actually fell within the ideal proportions but I hated the tint and clarity and even the cut did not persuade me to keep it. My current 2.9 is not ideal, but it is a Gia E and si 1 super eye clean stone triple excellent (which many call steep deep but is borderline ideal bc of rounding numbers—check my threads) And when I set it next to my sister’s ACA I 2 carat, I do not discern a noticeable sparkle/shine/brightness difference! That was the shocker bc at some point, I considered a recut to see what I was missing. Bc if i did do the recut, I would prob lose little carat weight and have an E!! If I priced an ACA E at even 2.8, it would cost double what I paid!!
And yet, I don’t want to. In part, bc I don’t see the difference. But also, bc now that ideal cut lab growns have become so ubiquitous, I have zero interest in supporting the diamond industry. But mostly, bc the thrill and sense of accomplishment in the quest for a perfect diamond is now gone for me. I am done with diamonds. I have more than enough as it is that I purchased estate. So my advice to you is: love what you have, stop obsessing OR realize that you can get a lab grown for so cheap, stick your natural in the bank vault and carry on. The natural diamond industry needs to stabilize before you sink any more money into it.

I'm very sorry for threadjacking but i would like to ask @nala the following question: Considering the fact that nowadays somebody can get a lab grown diamond in ideal cut, clarity and color and in a significant size for a fraction of the price of a similar earth grown diamond, would you consider selling your earth grown diamond ring, using the funds elsewhere and replace it with a lab grown diamond?
 
I'm very sorry for threadjacking but i would like to ask @nala the following question: Considering the fact that nowadays somebody can get a lab grown diamond in ideal cut, clarity and color and in a significant size for a fraction of the price of a similar earth grown diamond, would you consider selling your earth grown diamond ring, using the funds elsewhere and replace it with a lab grown diamond?

If I actually sold my diamond, I would never buy another natural or buy a lab. I would simply rotate all my natural right hand rings! I have sooo many of them! I would rotate the following: 1.5 omc, 1 carat oec in art deco, .65 brown pink halo, .65 oec in art deco, .65 trans in art deco, .91 asscher in art deco, .91 hexagon. I might even rotate with some of my favorite colored stones! Sooo. Ty for your brilliant idea!
 
nala, we want to see ALL those right hand rings. What a great post!
 

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