How rare is a MRB O?

[Gypsy]

Would you consider a Old euro? Honestly they looks so lovely in O-P range. This one is probably lower on the GIA scale than L: http://www.oldworlddiamonds.com/detail.php?ID=641&SHAPE=EU

 

[Gypsy]

Never mind.... LOVE LOVE LOVE: http://www.ebay.com/itm/1-07ct-L-VVS2-OLD-EUROPEAN-CUT-VINTAGE-ROUND-OEC-LOOSE-DIAMOND-TRANSITIONAL-RARE-/151000502593?pt=Loose_Diamonds&hash=item232854d141

 

[CharmyPoo]

Glad to see you posting again. I missed your ebay finds.

 

[iheartscience]

I would check with Infinity Diamonds and Brian Gavin Diamonds. I have a 2 carat L/SI1 BGD Blue and it's gorgeous. It actually faces up white though-if you go for a super ideal cut they're going to face up pretty white even in lower colors.

 

[motownmama]

I love that eBay one Gypsy posted. Also, mydiamondzone is very easy and comfortable to work with.

 

[LibbyLA]

Just a comment about DZ. I have had one good experience with them and three not as good. My first purchase, a 3/4 ct. OEC, was great.

Can't remember which came first after that, but I returned an antique wedding band. They failed to disclose that one side was badly worn (and the photos didn't show it) and it was a style with stepped-down sides so the fact that two levels were worn off made the ring very asymmetrical.

Then I ordered an antique engraved eternity ring that was supposed to be 1 ct. of OECs (only reason I ordered it) and it was .66 ct. of MRBs. It also had a bunch of damaged areas where the channel had been pinched together to keep the diamonds in. I kept it because it was worth more than I paid for it, it's comfortable, it's pretty, and my size.

I have just gotten an OMC engagement ring. I like it, but once again, they overstated the quality. It was sold as I-J, my jeweler says at least L, possibly M. Clarity was supposedly SI1-SI2. My jeweler says I1 at best, possibly I2. It has a couple of big feathers near the edge. It's eye clean and it really sparkles, although it's a seriously wonky cut. I'm trying to decide whether to send it back or keep it. I like it, but keeping it rewards them (again) for misstating what they are selling.

liz

 

[Gypsy]

Glad to see you posting again. I missed your ebay finds.

Thank you honey.

 

[mercoledi]

I would check with Infinity Diamonds and Brian Gavin Diamonds. I have a 2 carat L/SI1 BGD Blue and it's gorgeous. It actually faces up white though-if you go for a super ideal cut they're going to face up pretty white even in lower colors.

Ditto, Infinity often has low color stones in their ideal cut selection. The lowest I recall seeing was an R. They don't have anything that low listed in your budget now, but it might be worth the email to Wink.

 

[Niel]

WHAT ARE YOUR LADIES THOUGHTS ON THIS, ARE THE ANGLES THAT BAD?
http://www.diamondselections.com/GetCertificate.aspx?DiamondID=37422671

eta: manufacturing remnant

 

[yssie]

WHAT ARE YOUR LADIES THOUGHTS ON THIS, ARE THE ANGLES THAT BAD?
http://www.diamondselections.com/GetCertificate.aspx?DiamondID=37422671

eta: manufacturing remnant

IIRC you like to see lots of coloured light, right?
If so it's not a great choice for you - shallow crown + steeper pav + longer LGF (thinner mains = skinny arrows) + larger table (it's not *large* but a bit larger than some would prefer for lots of coloured light return).

 

[Dreamer_D]

I think you need to go lower than O if you want the diamond to look noticably "not white". I would aim for ST or UV.

 

[iheartscience]

I think you need to go lower than O if you want the diamond to look noticably "not white". I would aim for ST or UV.

Ditto, my Q OEC faces up pretty white most of the time. It only looks tinted in certain lighting.

 

[-Bella-]

I have to say i do love a warm coloured diamond!

Cant wait to see what you create !!

Can i ask though are excel diamonds a reputable place to buy loose diamonds from? I really like the round 2ct (or thereabouts) N that was linked too on the first page

 

[Niel]

I have to say i do love a warm coloured diamond!

Cant wait to see what you create !!

Can i ask though are excel diamonds a reputable place to buy loose diamonds from? I really like the round 2ct (or thereabouts) N that was linked too on the first page

Well I don't know much about them but the little ice interacted with them they are great! I asked them about the o from there and they said they reviewed it and the cavity inclusion was something to avoid. I appreciate a company that will steer me from a disaster. That's a huge stone for the budget if you like warm too its soooo. Worth getting a look

 

[Karl_K]

WHAT ARE YOUR LADIES THOUGHTS ON THIS, ARE THE ANGLES THAT BAD?
http://www.diamondselections.com/GetCertificate.aspx?DiamondID=37422671

eta: manufacturing remnant

si2 with "Clarity grade is based on clouds that are not shown." is a pretty solid indication to stay away.
It would have to be evaluated by an expert to know for sure but frankly I would not bother and drop it from consideration.

 

[Karl_K]

eta: manufacturing remnant

Burn marks or tracks from laser cutting
http://www.nationaljeweler.com/nj/diamonds/a/~19652-GIA-updates-reports-on-lasermanufacturing
Which could possibly indicate the diamond has strain and was not suitable for traditional cutting.
Strain can effect the durability of the stone.
Again something that needs an expert to check.

 

[Rockdiamond]

Great answers Karl!

Here's my take on the original question:
how rare is a MRB O?

Pretty rare, especially if we're talking about a stone that would be acceptable to the high standards that people generally seek when reading PS.
Part of the reason is low demand.
It makes a lot of sense to cut that rough into other shapes that will look a lot more yellow.
Not that anyone is "wrong" to desire an MRB of this color- personally I love them too. But the market for them is very small.

The other demographic is that far too many cutters ( IMO) trade upon consumer ignorance, so a stone GIA will grade O-P instead becomes a K color with an non GIA report.

Put these two things together and the number of precision cut ( IOW, intended to cut to GIA EX) O-P color stones is quite low.

 

[madelise]

The other demographic is that far too many cutters ( IMO) trade upon consumer ignorance, so a stone GIA will grade O-P instead becomes a K color with an non GIA report.

So basically all the true O MRBs are being sent to random graders across America, and packaged as J's and K's.. maybe even H and I's!! and sold in your local maul jewelry stores

 

[Niel]

Great answers Karl!

Here's my take on the original question:
how rare is a MRB O?

Pretty rare, especially if we're talking about a stone that would be acceptable to the high standards that people generally seek when reading PS.
Part of the reason is low demand.
It makes a lot of sense to cut that rough into other shapes that will look a lot more yellow.
Not that anyone is "wrong" to desire an MRB of this color- personally I love them too. But the market for them is very small.

The other demographic is that far too many cutters ( IMO) trade upon consumer ignorance, so a stone GIA will grade O-P instead becomes a K color with an non GIA report.

Put these two things together and the number of precision cut ( IOW, intended to cut to GIA EX) O-P color stones is quite low.

Thank you! I always love your posts. I was hoping you mighty stroll along, i had a feeling you would be a good person to answer my original question.

 

[Niel]

WHAT ARE YOUR LADIES THOUGHTS ON THIS, ARE THE ANGLES THAT BAD?
http://www.diamondselections.com/GetCertificate.aspx?DiamondID=37422671

eta: manufacturing remnant

si2 with "Clarity grade is based on clouds that are not shown." is a pretty solid indication to stay away.
It would have to be evaluated by an expert to know for sure but frankly I would not bother and drop it from consideration.

they say its eye clean but they wont provide a picture. they said that would "review" it but to be able to i have to pay for it first. Not really my cup of tea, so doesnt seem worth it

 

[Karl_K]

The other demographic is that far too many cutters ( IMO) trade upon consumer ignorance, so a stone GIA will grade O-P instead becomes a K color with an non GIA report.

So basically all the true O MRBs are being sent to random graders across America, and packaged as J's and K's.. maybe even H and I's!! and sold in your local maul jewelry stores

Yes, but not random graders, carefully selected ones.
The biggest are:
IGI USA and egl Israel, It happens every day.

 

[Karl_K]

WHAT ARE YOUR LADIES THOUGHTS ON THIS, ARE THE ANGLES THAT BAD?
http://www.diamondselections.com/GetCertificate.aspx?DiamondID=37422671

eta: manufacturing remnant

si2 with "Clarity grade is based on clouds that are not shown." is a pretty solid indication to stay away.
It would have to be evaluated by an expert to know for sure but frankly I would not bother and drop it from consideration.

they say its eye clean but they wont provide a picture. they said that would "review" it but to be able to i have to pay for it first. Not really my cup of tea, so doesnt seem worth it

They can be eye clean meaning you don't see a dark blob in it but still effect the light return of the stone in a negative manner.

 

[Rockdiamond]

Great answers Karl!

Here's my take on the original question:
how rare is a MRB O?

Pretty rare, especially if we're talking about a stone that would be acceptable to the high standards that people generally seek when reading PS.
Part of the reason is low demand.
It makes a lot of sense to cut that rough into other shapes that will look a lot more yellow.
Not that anyone is "wrong" to desire an MRB of this color- personally I love them too. But the market for them is very small.

The other demographic is that far too many cutters ( IMO) trade upon consumer ignorance, so a stone GIA will grade O-P instead becomes a K color with an non GIA report.

Put these two things together and the number of precision cut ( IOW, intended to cut to GIA EX) O-P color stones is quite low.

Thank you! I always love your posts. I was hoping you mighty stroll along, i had a feeling you would be a good person to answer my original question.

Aw shucks...thank you! The feeling is mutual!

 

[TC1987]

...

A while back, Jon had a gorgeous low color honker that he was considering to recut. I can't remember what happened to it. There was also a really pretty huge low color one he was selling .. but that was an old cut.

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This one? http://www.goodoldgold.com/diamond/1702/
He recut it, I believe. It became an M IF AVR. I considered buying it in 2006 or 2007 when it was still O IF H&A, but opted for something whiter instead. I think I might have a couple of pictures of it on my old computer.
[URL='https://www.pricescope.com/community/threads/who-bought-it-gog-1-74-o-if.115712/']https://www.pricescope.com/community/threads/who-bought-it-gog-1-74-o-if.115712/[/URL]

 

[Niel]

...

A while back, Jon had a gorgeous low color honker that he was considering to recut. I can't remember what happened to it. There was also a really pretty huge low color one he was selling .. but that was an old cut.

...

This one? http://www.goodoldgold.com/diamond/1702/
He recut it, I believe. It became an M IF AVR. I considered buying it in 2006 or 2007 when it was still O IF H&A, but opted for something whiter instead. I think I might have a couple of pictures of it on my old computer.
[URL='https://www.pricescope.com/community/threads/who-bought-it-gog-1-74-o-if.115712/']https://www.pricescope.com/community/threads/who-bought-it-gog-1-74-o-if.115712/[/URL]

Oh my golly i love that!

 

[motownmama]

Who's got it on hold??????????

 

[TC1987]

It was recut in to an AVR. Sometimes GOG marked diamonds on "hold" but they were subsequently sold. The two that I bought still say "on hold."

 

[Niel]

I contacted excel, who i will be honest is fast becoming my favorite PS vendor, and I told them what i was looking for and they fast responded with this. Is this a good aset? I feel like no but in the same token i went over to look at GOG and they seemed similar
http://www.exceldiamonds.com/Diamonds-1/GIA-Graded-Emerald-Diamond-1-15-Carat-Z-Color-VS1-Clarity-239823.html

 

[TC1987]

These aren't that GOG stone. They are some other ring that I also considered (a few years ago) that was said to be O color. It's an older cut. like maybe a European Cut RB. (Not OEC.)

 

[04diamond<3]

I contacted excel, who i will be honest is fast becoming my favorite PS vendor, and I told them what i was looking for and they fast responded with this. Is this a good aset? I feel like no but in the same token i went over to look at GOG and they seemed similar
http://www.exceldiamonds.com/Diamonds-1/GIA-Graded-Emerald-Diamond-1-15-Carat-Z-Color-VS1-Clarity-239823.html

Do you realize this is an emerald cut? Are you looking for step cuts now? Excel is great and their prices are awesome!! Let me know if you do end up buying from them. We're considering them for my upgrade (hopefully next year some time)...