I need help~ Which one is Better? Sapphire~

[limq05]

Hello everyone~ This is my first time to PS.

I am looking for a Sapphire around 3-4 ct for my wedding ( planning to setting it as a ring or necklace). And actually it is my first time trying to buy a colored stone. I have few ideas and experiences about how to choose a nice Sapphire.

I have saw two from a website. Which one is better? Are the prices resonable? I really need your help~ Thanks



First One

Price is: $8788







Second One

Price is: $6620








I am not sure it is allowed to post the website here because there are more images and vedio for the stones


Thanks Again Btw, is there any other way I can find a nice Sapphire?

 

[ieatbugs]

The cut and saturation on the first stone looks much better to me than the second stone! I'm not sure how that shape would look in a ring, though. Probably would be best in a pendant.

 

[sebas]

I think it would be best to see a hand shot picture or the videos. Is this one of the pricescope recommended online vendors?

 

[diamondhearts]

Definitely the first one .

 

[limq05]

Yes~~

And they have more photo and vendor for it

Here is the link

First One: http://www.starruby.in/store/ceylonese-sapphires/3-70-carat-magnificent-flawless-royal-blue-sapphire-unheated

Second One: http://www.starruby.in/store/ceylonese-sapphires/3-32-carat-beautiful-fiery-royal-blue-vvs-sapphire-unheated

Thanks~

 

[limq05]

Thanks a lot~~

So may be a necklace is a better choice than a ring?

And how is the price for the first one? Is it resonable?

I found that I switched the information of the two stones by mistake. Sorry!

They also show the IGI

This is the first one:$8788


This is the second one: $6620

 

[ieatbugs]

Have you checked out Gemfix? They have quite a few sapphires in the 3-5 carat range. I'm not really sure who else deals with stones of that size but I'm sure Chrono will be able to chime in and give you quite a list!

Thanks a lot~~

So may be a necklace is a better choice than a ring?

And how is the price for the first one? Is it resonable?

I found that I switched the information of the two stones by mistake. Sorry!

They also show the IGI

This is the first one:$8788


This is the second one: $6620

 

[sebas]

I like the first one better too.

 

[limq05]

Thank you for your advise. I have check from Gemfix and I will definitly do it.


I will wait for Chrono

And my budget max is < 10K

 

[limq05]

I saw another Saphhire in other website

This one is 5.83ct！ And only $8950, almost the same price as the first one I post.

Here is the picture. Is it a good choice?

 

[Justin_Cutter]

I saw another Saphhire in other website

This one is 5.83ct！ And only $8950, almost the same price as the first one I post.

Here is the picture. Is it a good choice?

This stone will be Very Very dark in person with lots of extinction (areas where there will be no color only black) and it will have a medium window. I would not consider this stone.
I have purchased from this vendor before so I know what to expect based on there photography.

~Justin

 

[chrono]

I am not quite sure what's going on with Starruby. The handshots are useless because he photoshopped the stone onto the hand for size perspective only. If you look at the facet comparison, this is the exact picture of the first picture for both stones. So this makes it very difficult to gauge true colour. The written description also doesn't jive with what I see and also the picture on the lab memos. Stone 1 looks blue, albeit a bit dark and is quite a bit darker in the IGI picture. Stone 2 shows a lot of violet undertone while it looks a bit greenish in the GIA picture. If interested in either two, ask for a true handshot and also how the stone acts indoors versus outdoors. Does it get darker? Does it become grayer or more violet?

Stone 3 is a definitely pass - not saturated enough, likely to have a lot of extinction and a medium sized window.

What is your budget? What are your requirements?

 

[limq05]

I am not quite sure what's going on with Starruby. The handshots are useless because he photoshopped the stone onto the hand for size perspective only. If you look at the facet comparison, this is the exact picture of the first picture for both stones. So this makes it very difficult to gauge true colour. The written description also doesn't jive with what I see and also the picture on the lab memos. Stone 1 looks blue, albeit a bit dark and is quite a bit darker in the IGI picture. Stone 2 shows a lot of violet undertone while it looks a bit greenish in the GIA picture. If interested in either two, ask for a true handshot and also how the stone acts indoors versus outdoors. Does it get darker? Does it become grayer or more violet?

Stone 3 is a definitely pass - not saturated enough, likely to have a lot of extinction and a medium sized window.

What is your budget? What are your requirements?

It's great to se you coming~

Your advise is really really useful for me.

My budget is <10k better <9k

And I am looking for a Unheated, Royal blue,Oval or Pear Sapphire. It will great to be around 4-6 ct, but 3-4ct is also acceptable.

Is there any suggentions for that? I am looking forward for your suggentions.

 

[limq05]

I saw another Saphhire in other website

This one is 5.83ct！ And only $8950, almost the same price as the first one I post.

Here is the picture. Is it a good choice?

This stone will be Very Very dark in person with lots of extinction (areas where there will be no color only black) and it will have a medium window. I would not consider this stone.
I have purchased from this vendor before so I know what to expect based on there photography.

~Justin

Thanks a lot!

I really love your 5.58ct Sapphire, and you set it a fabulous e-ring. Your girlfriend will definitly love it. And this made me to search for this vendor and tried to see if he still has some nice Sapphire as yours.

 

[limq05]

Hi~~~ I have saw another Sapphire on Ebay

Here is the link http://www.ebay.com/itm/4-23-CT-CERTIFIED-UNHEATED-KANCHANABURI-BLUE-SAPPHIRE-/221114709568?pt=Loose_Gemstones_1&hash=item337b76b640 ( I don't know whats going on that I cannot upload images, maybe the poor internet sorry about the inconvenience



Will this one even darker than the third one? I am still confusing about the color and window of the stones. And I am asking the vendor to show me more photo take was taken in hand.

 

[Justin_Cutter]

Hi~~~ I have saw another Sapphire on Ebay

Here is the link http://www.ebay.com/itm/4-23-CT-CERTIFIED-UNHEATED-KANCHANABURI-BLUE-SAPPHIRE-/221114709568?pt=Loose_Gemstones_1&hash=item337b76b640 ( I don't know whats going on that I cannot upload images, maybe the poor internet sorry about the inconvenience



Will this one even darker than the third one? I am still confusing about the color and window of the stones. And I am asking the vendor to show me more photo take was taken in hand.

That sapphire will struggle with many of the same issues as the 3rd stone. The only sapphire in Gemsthailand's current inventory that I can even remotely recommend is this one.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/3-60CT-RARE...4188?pt=Loose_Gemstones_1&hash=item3a492cc5ec

My stone was cut from rough that yielded a 5.58ct (mine) and a 10+ct stone. They are both sold.

Thank you very much for the compliment. My wife is very happy with her ring!
I will keep my eye out for a sapphire for you.

Check out the 7th post down on this thread. It might help with understanding saturation.
https://www.pricescope.com/communit...-dream-sapphire.169097/#post-3077256#p3077256
~Justin

 

[limq05]

Hi~~~ I have saw another Sapphire on Ebay

Here is the link http://www.ebay.com/itm/4-23-CT-CERTIFIED-UNHEATED-KANCHANABURI-BLUE-SAPPHIRE-/221114709568?pt=Loose_Gemstones_1&hash=item337b76b640 ( I don't know whats going on that I cannot upload images, maybe the poor internet sorry about the inconvenience



Will this one even darker than the third one? I am still confusing about the color and window of the stones. And I am asking the vendor to show me more photo take was taken in hand.

That sapphire will struggle with many of the same issues as the 3rd stone. The only sapphire in Gemsthailand's current inventory that I can even remotely recommend is this one.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/3-60CT-RARE...4188?pt=Loose_Gemstones_1&hash=item3a492cc5ec

My stone was cut from rough that yielded a 5.58ct (mine) and a 10+ct stone. They are both sold.

Thank you very much for the compliment. My wife is very happy with her ring!
I will keep my eye out for a sapphire for you.

Check out the 7th post down on this thread. It might help with understanding saturation.
https://www.pricescope.com/communit...-dream-sapphire.169097/#post-3077256#p3077256
~Justin

Oh! Congratulations!

I just saw the wedding photo! It's fantasty, hope mine will be as excellent as yours!

I am extremely grateful for your warm helping. Do tell me if you see any nice Sapphire.

The one you show me from Gemsthailand's looks nice, but I am looking for a unheated one, and a little bigger.

I should say again that your ring is really awesome!

 

[harshilzaveri]

I am not quite sure what's going on with Starruby. The handshots are useless because he photoshopped the stone onto the hand for size perspective only. If you look at the facet comparison, this is the exact picture of the first picture for both stones. So this makes it very difficult to gauge true colour. The written description also doesn't jive with what I see and also the picture on the lab memos. Stone 1 looks blue, albeit a bit dark and is quite a bit darker in the IGI picture. Stone 2 shows a lot of violet undertone while it looks a bit greenish in the GIA picture. If interested in either two, ask for a true handshot and also how the stone acts indoors versus outdoors. Does it get darker? Does it become grayer or more violet?

Stone 3 is a definitely pass - not saturated enough, likely to have a lot of extinction and a medium sized window.

What is your budget? What are your requirements?

Dear Chrono,

Came across this thread so thought I would clarify a few things

The hand pictures, as you correctly mentioned, as for size perspective only. However, we are always more than happy to arrange additional close-up pictures in multiple lighting conditions should any potential buyers request them.

With regards to the colors of the stones, stone #1 is not too dark. It does not look blackish or overcolored like most Kanchanaburi sapphires do. The color of the IGI certificate appears darker because the print quality of the picture is not too good.

The second stone does have a violetish overtone but not too strong (the description also grades the color having Slight Violetish Overtone). There is no green tone in this sapphire.

Best regards,
Harshil Zaveri

 

[chrono]

Hi~~~ I have saw another Sapphire on Ebay

Here is the link http://www.ebay.com/itm/4-23-CT-CERTIFIED-UNHEATED-KANCHANABURI-BLUE-SAPPHIRE-/221114709568?pt=Loose_Gemstones_1&hash=item337b76b640 ( I don't know whats going on that I cannot upload images, maybe the poor internet sorry about the inconvenience



Will this one even darker than the third one? I am still confusing about the color and window of the stones. And I am asking the vendor to show me more photo take was taken in hand.

I would pass on this one too. Too dark, too much extinction (with a bowtie) and windowed.

 

[chrono]

The only sapphire in Gemsthailand's current inventory that I can even remotely recommend is this one.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/3-60CT-RARE...4188?pt=Loose_Gemstones_1&hash=item3a492cc5ec

My stone was cut from rough that yielded a 5.58ct (mine) and a 10+ct stone. They are both sold.

Definitely a very promising stone in terms of colouration. Priced decently and cutting isn't too bad either. Sure, it's not precision cut but there's no glaring faults.

 

[chrono]

Dear Chrono,

Came across this thread so thought I would clarify a few things

The hand pictures, as you correctly mentioned, as for size perspective only. However, we are always more than happy to arrange additional close-up pictures in multiple lighting conditions should any potential buyers request them.

With regards to the colors of the stones, stone #1 is not too dark. It does not look blackish or overcolored like most Kanchanaburi sapphires do. The color of the IGI certificate appears darker because the print quality of the picture is not too good.

The second stone does have a violetish overtone but not too strong (the description also grades the color having Slight Violetish Overtone). There is no green tone in this sapphire.

Best regards,
Harshil Zaveri

Hello Harshil,
Glad to see you around, and thank you for your clarification. I understand that photographing gems accurately can be difficult but it is especially more important for vendors to try to do so, even though time and labour is limited. Certainly, the choice now lies in the OP's hands if she wishes to follow up on the sapphires.

 

[limq05]

Hi~~~ I have saw another Sapphire on Ebay

Here is the link http://www.ebay.com/itm/4-23-CT-CERTIFIED-UNHEATED-KANCHANABURI-BLUE-SAPPHIRE-/221114709568?pt=Loose_Gemstones_1&hash=item337b76b640 ( I don't know whats going on that I cannot upload images, maybe the poor internet sorry about the inconvenience



Will this one even darker than the third one? I am still confusing about the color and window of the stones. And I am asking the vendor to show me more photo take was taken in hand.

I would pass on this one too. Too dark, too much extinction (with a bowtie) and windowed.

Chrono I cannot thanks more for your helping. As harshilzaveri's clarification, I think I will ask them about more photo for the first one. And I have email Barry yesterday to see if he may hold some nice sapphire.

And I will be appreciate if you can give me some recommendation.

 

[chrono]

I looked around but found the unheated sapphires with your size requirement to be out of budget. I'll continue to keep an eye out though.

 

[Upgradable]

I love this stone! Jeff Davies is a very reliable seller, and the sapphire comes with a GRS grading report. Size and price seem to fit into your criteria.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/GRS-CERTIFIED-OVAL-CUT-3-25CT-ROYAL-BLUE-SAPPHIRE-SEE-VIDEO-/370642892424?pt=Loose_Gemstones_1&hash=item564c09b688

 

[chrono]

Uppy,
I am afraid that sapphire has been heated; the OP is looking for an untreated stone.

 

[Upgradable]

Oh well. Then it will just have to continue to wait for me to gain the funds to bring her home to me.

 

[chrono]

Not perfectly cut but I think this stone is promising. I cannot view the video on this laptop though so I cannot give my full recommendation for this sapphire. For those who can see the video, I'd like your feedback please. I see some inclusions in the pictures but I doubt they are noticeable in person. There could also potentially be a bit of darkness in the center but again, I cannot tell for sure because the video does not work for me.

5.32 ct unheated blue sapphire for $6000
Medium dark with what looks like very good saturation
10.4 x 7.8 x 7.4 mm.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/5-32ct-UNHEATED-Oval-Cut-Natural-Blue-Sapphire-/251157159894?pt=Loose_Gemstones_1&hash=item3a7a221fd6

 

[OTL]

Not perfectly cut but I think this stone is promising. I cannot view the video on this laptop though so I cannot give my full recommendation for this sapphire. For those who can see the video, I'd like your feedback please. I see some inclusions in the pictures but I doubt they are noticeable in person. There could also potentially be a bit of darkness in the center but again, I cannot tell for sure because the video does not work for me.

5.32 ct unheated blue sapphire for $6000
Medium dark with what looks like very good saturation
10.4 x 7.8 x 7.4 mm.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/5-32ct-UNHEATED-Oval-Cut-Natural-Blue-Sapphire-/251157159894?pt=Loose_Gemstones_1&hash=item3a7a221fd6

Just for the record, I think this sapphire will be one level short of saturation than the video.
I have bought a tanzanite that shows strong blue color in the video very recently, but turned out to be light purple violet...Also 2 sapphires I bought are both less saturated than video.
I find Tan's video not accurate when it's blue/purple/lavendar color. In fact there is a purple/lavendar color spinel on DB for sale, you can have a look at the vendor photo and the reseller's photo, color is extremely different.
But to my limited experience, tsavorites and mahenge spinels videos are accurate, I guess it is because these 2 kinds of stones are naturally saturated. Just blue color I find the issue.

 

[chrono]

I agree that when it comes to Tan, it is hit or miss when it comes to blue stones. I've seen posters who purchased something super dark and extinct looking end up with jaw dropping stones, while some who purchased something beautiful in the pictures end up with overly dark extinct stones. Mine was accurate and looks as pictured and in the video.

 

[distracts]

Uppy,
I am afraid that sapphire has been heated; the OP is looking for an untreated stone.

As well, I bought a sapphire from Jeff Davies that was that color in the pictures/video and it is very grey and color-zoned in person 99% of the time. And after having seen pictures of the demantoid someone bought from him recently, I just have to think his pictures/videos have only a passing resemblance to the actual stone. (Which is not to say he does not have nice stuff. The sapphire I bought is pretty, just not at all what I thought I was buying. I would not buy from him in the future without extensive communication beforehand and hopefully more pictures in more natural lighting.)