I STRONGLY support transgender people's existence and freedoms ... and ...

[kenny]

... and ...

Snip:
"A January New York Times/Ipsos poll found that 79% of Americans — including 67% of Democrats — said they believed female transgender athletes should not be allowed to play on women’s sports teams. A Pew Research poll released last month found that 66% of Americans favor laws that require transgender girls and women to play on the teams of the gender they were assigned at birth.

The same poll also found that 56% of Americans favor laws that prevent discrimination against transgender Americans."

Source:

https://www.cnn.com/2025/03/09/politics/gavin-newsom-democrats-trans-athletes/index.html

I support EVERY other trans-related topic/concern/issue that I am aware of.
But IMO it is not fair that women without the male-advantage (however you define that) have to compete in sports with others who do have the male-advantage.

Cancel me, put me on ignore, move me into one of your different jars.
No worries.
I speak out for what I feel is right.
I won't go along with what "my tribe" forces on me if it doesn't feel right.

Overall, it's best to be true to one's self.
Over 60 years ago I gave up on trying to be popular.
Early on my brain wiring accomodated rejection from society, church, peers, school, even immediate family for being gay.
Six decades later I'm at peace with, being different.

I'm not transphobic.
But I am unfairness-phobic.

 

[kenny]

About fairness ...

One could argue that I'm not being fair to women with the male-advantage.
Why should they not able to compete, at all?
Not fair.

Then perhaps a third category of athletes is called for.
In boxing they have categories for weight as it would be unfair to put a 100 lb guy in the ring with a 300 lb guy.
In golfing they have "handicaps" (unfortunately un-woke word choice).

Fairness is an honorable pursuit, if and when possible.
One thing parents have to teach their children is, sometimes life is not fair.

 

[Matata]

I'm ok letting sports organizations at every level of school, amateur, and professional sports make the decision. There are studies supporting both points of view -- that males always have a physical advantage regardless of when hormone therapy begins and that males do not have an advantage. There are women athletes with natural testosterone levels so high that they're required to take drugs to lower their levels in order to compete otherwise, they have an advantage over their peers. I think that's fundamentally unfair because it negates biological advantage and manipulates advantages for women who are not naturally advantaged. That isn't fair either, imo.

 

[Matata]

About fairness ...

One could argue that I'm not being fair to women with the male-advantage.
Why should they not able to compete, at all?
Not fair.

Then perhaps a third category of athletes is called for.
In boxing they have categories for weight as it would be unfair to put a 100 lb guy in the ring with a 300 lb guy.
In golfing they have "handicaps" (unfortunately un-woke word choice).

Fairness is an honorable pursuit, if and when possible.
One thing parents have to teach their children is, sometimes life is not fair.

I agree with the bolded. There aren't enough trans athletes at this point in time to do what you suggest.

 

[Rockdiamond]

Why we’re talking about…. How many trans people are involved here…. 100???On the other hand, how many transgender people are involved the military.
Google “Jo Ellis”
How long does it take to train to be a Blackhawk Helicopter Pilot?
But let’s all argue about who wins medals in sporting events. Shiny object. Don’t look behind the curtain

 

[kenny]

Why we’re talking about…. How many trans people are involved here…. 100??? ...

Yes, the number of trans athletes is very small.
But each is bulldozing over many women who otherwise would have had a fair chance of winning.

So instead of pointing out the small number of trans athletes, consider the large number cis athletes who unfairly lose because of this mess.
They are the victims here.

When a woman with the male advantage wins, it doesn't stop there.
That winner advances to the next competition level, where they win again, then advance again, over and over.

Every trans champion (unfairly) leaves many cis women in their wake.

I wonder about the ratio of trans champions vs. all of the cis women they defeated all along the way on their march to the championship.
1 to 10?
1 to 100?
1 to 1,000?
More?

Not fair! Wrong!
All this to try to appear morally superior, or "woke".

 

[Rockdiamond]

@kenny …The genius of these social issues is that your points are all spot on. Friends have mentioned how it might affect their daughters. It’s clearly unfair to cis women in sports
So it’s a very effective method of distraction.
I’m sure you’ve heard of the new Secdef’s order banning and expelling trans people from the military. Seems to me that one of these issues is far more serious and impactful than the other…yet I rarely hear about the military issue. A lot about the sports thing….

 

[Snowdrop13]

Ugh, “cis women”? Women, please, women.

 

[ItsMainelyYou]

Why we’re talking about…. How many trans people are involved here…. 100???On the other hand, how many transgender people are involved the military.
Google “Jo Ellis”
How long does it take to train to be a Blackhawk Helicopter Pilot?
But let’s all argue about who wins medals in sporting events. Shiny object. Don’t look behind the curtain

Exactly.
Less than 20 in the entirety of all sports from K-college. It's a non issue.
Meanwhile, millions of children will not survive the abolishing of USAID.