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I'm back & so stressed out :( please help me; opinions on this stone?

sparklebling123 said:
@lovedogs @flying ugh I was hoping that stone would be a good alternative. I’m so done, exhausted, & stressed with this whole ordeal.
Here is another option offered . I think it’s a better cut stone and alternative; only hesitation is it’s smaller than I wanted.
Opinions?
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I have a lot of concerns about this one having issues similar to your current stone. Wisps upon wisps upon wisps in a larger SI is something that I personally don’t love to see :(sad
 
yssie said:
I have a lot of concerns about this one having issues similar to your current stone. Wisps upon wisps upon wisps in a larger SI is something that I personally don’t love to see :(sad
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Thank you (and everyone else ) so much for all your help. I’m terrified to make another mistake. I want to be sure and to the best of my ability/pocketbook make a good choice.
I will ask for other options and post them on here for help & guidance.

-as for the email lol no worries. I sent it back in July maybe it got sent to your junk mail or deleted. :)
 
yssie said:
I have a lot of concerns about this one having issues similar to your current stone. Wisps upon wisps upon wisps in a larger SI is something that I personally don’t love to see :(sad
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I agree with the above post! I'm looking at a diamond with strong fluor and E color too actually, so I've been researching a lot about haziness/transparency issues in diamonds.

It seems that transparency issues are likely to occur when inclusions of like clouds, twinning wisps and graining are present in a colorless diamond (D/E in particular) with strong fluor, this is particularly so for the lower clarity ranges. On the flip side though, this is also what tends to make a SI diamond eye clean because those inclusions types.
 
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sparklebling123 said:
Thank you (and everyone else ) so much for all your help. I’m terrified to make another mistake. I want to be sure and to the best of my ability/pocketbook make a good choice.
I will ask for other options and post them on here for help & guidance.

-as for the email lol no worries. I sent it back in July maybe it got sent to your junk mail or deleted. :)
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If it is looking difficult to find a nice diamond through your jeweler, do you think he would be willing to set a stone that you provide/source in your current setting? I'm asking this because I think many here would be able to help you find a nice stone.

Alternatively, there may be a chance that a vendor like Whiteflash can work with your current setting with one of their diamonds but you'll need to contact them to see if it is possibility. There was another thread recently where the OP bought a setting before the diamond and Whiteflash agreed to work with his setting, so it might be worth asking if it is a possibility.

Benefit of using Whiteflash is that you can getting a top notch performing diamond. Their upgrade policy is generous, so it will be easier if you find later that you want to upgrade or just prefer to get a different stone with higher clarity or color.

Apologies in advance if I've missed something in the history and these aren't possibilities. Just wanted to put the options out there though in case it can reduce the stress around the new diamond search.
 
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Diamond_Enthusiast said:
If it is looking difficult to find a nice diamond through your jeweler, do you think he would be willing to set a stone that you provide/source in your current setting? I'm asking this because I think many here would be able to help you find a nice stone.

Alternatively, there may be a chance that a vendor like Whiteflash can work with your current setting with one of their diamonds but you'll need to contact them to see if they are possible. There was another thread recently where the OP bought a setting before the diamond and Whiteflash agreed to work with his setting, so it might be worth asking if it is possibility.

Benefit of using Whiteflash is that you can getting a top notch performing diamond. Their upgrade policy is generous, so is will be easier if you find later that you want to upgrade or just prefer to get a different stone with higher clarity or color.

Apologies in advance if I've missed something in the history and these aren't possibilities. Just wanted to put the options out there though in case it can reduce the stress around the new diamond search.
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@Diamond_Enthusiast thank you for the suggestion unfortunately, at this point it’s a hindsight situation. I wrote about my situation in the beginning of the thread. How I wish I could go back and reduce this stress :( I would love to have a whiteflash ACA.
At this point I’m just trying to select a good stone to swap with my current one that I am unhappy with. Sourcing my own stone for the swap is not an option :(
I hope your search for your diamond is going better than mine :)
 
sparklebling123 said:
@Diamond_Enthusiast thank you for the suggestion unfortunately, at this point it’s a hindsight situation. I wrote about my situation in the beginning of the thread. How I wish I could go back and reduce this stress :( I would love to have a whiteflash ACA.
At this point I’m just trying to select a good stone to swap with my current one that I am unhappy with. Sourcing my own stone for the swap is not an option :(
I hope your search for your diamond is going better than mine :)
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Thank you, mine is a smaller diamond for a pendant. Order has been placed though, so fingers crossed it doesn't arrive with a over blue haze.

Hopefully your jeweler will come back with some good options for you within recommended proportions and videos/images that check in. Many pairs of eyes here on PS to help make sure you end up with a beautiful diamond! You've already done the difficult bit of speaking to your jeweler to source a new stone, things will get better from here. :)
 
Diamond_Enthusiast said:
Thank you, mine is a smaller diamond for a pendant. Order has been placed though, so fingers crossed it doesn't arrive with a over blue haze.

Hopefully your jeweler will come back with some good options for you within recommended proportions and videos/images that check in. Many pairs of eyes here on PS to help make sure you end up with a beautiful diamond! You've already done the difficult bit of speaking to your jeweler to source a new stone, things will get better from here. :)
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Thank you, you’re so very kind; fingers crossed it gets better from here. I’ve been so stressed- feels like it’s taken over my life. I know to others it seems silly to be so consumed & upset, but I know the folks here understand.
I’d love to see your stone when it arrives. Hopefully you’ll post?=)2
 
sparklebling123 said:
Thank you, you’re so very kind; fingers crossed it gets better from here. I’ve been so stressed- feels like it’s taken over my life. I know to others it seems silly to be so consumed & upset, but I know the folks here understand.
I’d love to see your stone when it arrives. Hopefully you’ll post?=)2
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Hehe yes, PS folks understand! It is great to have a forum to discuss diamonds and jewelry with people who are passionate about it! We also understand the process and frustration when it doesn't all go as planned!
I've got a thread about this stone and will post an update when it arrives. Will tag you there when I post a photo! :)
 
Can you share your preferred budget, size, color, etc? We can try to see if there are alternatives that your jeweler could source.
 
lovedogs said:
Can you share your preferred budget, size, color, etc? We can try to see if there are alternatives that your jeweler could source.
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:( I am not sure if that's even an option. My jeweler had mentioned he works with certain cutters and sources his stones from them. I don't think he/they would allow me to find stones and source them for me...

I guess that possible alternative is a no go?

I'm feeling so defeated at this point :(
thank you for taking the time to read my post and help
 
sparklebling123 said:
possible alternative
thoughts? @DejaWiz , @yssie , @flyingpig , @lovedogs & anyone else willing to help? :)

not the site/vendor I am dealing with, but the video of this stone is available on this site.

2.19 Carat Diamond, Round, H Color, SI1, GIA, D115004802

This Round shape, H color,SI1 clarity, and Super Ideal make (cut) certified loose diamond comes with a report from the GIA
www.brilliance.com www.brilliance.com

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Have you tried running it through the HCA, just to see what number comes up? 58/36/40.6 should be within AGS Ideal proportions (I think). I think I remember reading that longer lower halves (80 vs 75) work better with the steep/shallow combination but I can’t find that thread so maybe I’m wrong about this. I am faaaaar from an expert but this stone looks fine to me!

is it possible to get an ASET image?
 
sparklebling123 said:
:( I am not sure if that's even an option. My jeweler had mentioned he works with certain cutters and sources his stones from them. I don't think he/they would allow me to find stones and source them for me...

I guess that possible alternative is a no go?

I'm feeling so defeated at this point :(
thank you for taking the time to read my post and help
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This one isn't definitely a no go. I think the question asked is more around trying to find ways help you source the best one with safe proportions.

I recently posted about a stone with specs: 58 table, 36 crown, 40.6 pavilion and 45 star. The larger table with the steeper 36 crown is not the typically preferred but the 45 star helps to make the uppers less steep and so it is ok.

Compared to the other two alternatives you posted earlier, the specs on this stone look more promising and you are unlikely to have transparency issues with these inclusions. From the video and photo, the inclusions look clear/white and so it will hopefully be eye clean, though you should get the jeweler to confirm for you.
 
Diamond_Enthusiast said:
This one isn't definitely a no go. I think the question asked is more around trying to find ways help you source the best one with safe proportions.

I recently posted about a stone with specs: 58 table, 36 crown, 40.6 pavilion and 45 star. The larger table with the steeper 36 crown is not the typically preferred but the 45 star helps to make the uppers less steep and so it is ok.

Compared to the other two alternatives you posted earlier, the specs on this stone look more promising and you are unlikely to have transparency issues with these inclusions. From the video and photo, the inclusions look clear/white and so it will hopefully be eye clean, though you should get the jeweler to confirm for you.
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I agree. It isn't a "hard no" by any stretch. But I feel like it would be "Safer" for OP to get a stone within the preferred proportions if possible.
 
lovedogs said:
I agree. It isn't a "hard no" by any stretch. But I feel like it would be "Safer" for OP to get a stone within the preferred proportions if possible.
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What lovedogs said is good approach because stones with safer proportions will help give you the best chance of getting a good stone.

In case you can provide those safer proportions to your jeweler to help the search, I'm going to quote the preferred proportions from an earlier post from dejawiz:

DejaWiz said:
I'm left wondering if this is a Type IIb diamond after seeing your photos.

I urge you to ask your jeweler to source you a diamond that falls within the recommended proportion ranges.

Ideally, a 40.6-40.8° PA, 34.5-35.0° CA, 15-15.5% crown height, 54-57% table, around a 61-62% depth, and a thin to slightly thick girdle.
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For CA/PA, the rule of thumb is a steeper CA like 35 will pair better with a shallower PA of 40.6. The reverse applies if you have a shallower CA closer to 34, then you want a steeper PA of 40.8.

If your jeweler already knows what parameters to try to stay within for you, it will be easier to find a stone that checks in. If the proportions are good to go, it will then be a matter checking video/photos, any concerning inclusions and if available ASET/idealscope images to assess light return.

Again, this isn't to say that stones that aren't within these proportions are a no go, it is just that those within them are safer choices that are less likely to have issues. :)
 
sparklebling123 said:
possible alternative
thoughts? @DejaWiz , @yssie , @flyingpig , @lovedogs & anyone else willing to help? :)

not the site/vendor I am dealing with, but the video of this stone is available on this site.

2.19 Carat Diamond, Round, H Color, SI1, GIA, D115004802

This Round shape, H color,SI1 clarity, and Super Ideal make (cut) certified loose diamond comes with a report from the GIA
www.brilliance.com www.brilliance.com

6214952026.jpg
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I think this one is the most promising of all the replacement options we’ve seen so far. It’s definitely not H&A, it does have some pavilion asymmetry, but that asymmetry isn’t creating random large patches of over-obstruction as the stone turns. And shorter stars are giving the upper halves a shallower descent - the girdle stays bright as the stone turns.

So now I think we’re into “what exactly do you want” territory. This stone has less optical symmetry than your current stone. Will knowing that you’ve “gone down” in that aspect bother you over time? Or do you feel that eliminating the over-blue makes “sacrifices” in other aspects not really sacrifices, mind-clean and worth it?

No right or wrong answer.
 
Update: Hi everyone, thank you so much for all your help. I spoken to them and voiced my concerns and disappoint with the alternatives provided. I finally was firm and assertive.

I was given this option I SO HOPE this is the one :pray: . So far, this is the closet to the ideal proportions I have come across. The video looks good too (from what I can tell).
Would you please take a look and let me know what y'all think? Again thank you everyone I feel very appreciative :)

@DejaWiz , @yssie , @flyingpig , @lovedogs, @Karl_K - does this look promising? I hope so :pray:

https://dna.stonehdfile.com/ViewHD.html?d=621016805#View360

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@AllAboardTheBlingTrain - I haven't ran that particular stone through the HCA as I didn't want to waste my HCA tries on a stone that was not a good contender.

@yssie tbh I think it would bother me. I think I am going to wait to see what other options are available. Which leads to my update (see above)
 
sparklebling123 said:
Update: Hi everyone, thank you so much for all your help. I spoken to them and voiced my concerns and disappoint with the alternatives provided. I finally was firm and assertive.

I was given this option I SO HOPE this is the one :pray: . So far, this is the closet to the ideal proportions I have come across. The video looks good too (from what I can tell).
Would you please take a look and let me know what y'all think? Again thank you everyone I feel very appreciative :)

@DejaWiz , @yssie , @flyingpig , @lovedogs, @Karl_K - does this look promising? I hope so :pray:

https://dna.stonehdfile.com/ViewHD.html?d=621016805#View360

GIA.jpg

replies to earlier messages:
@AllAboardTheBlingTrain - I haven't ran that particular stone through the HCA as I didn't want to waste my HCA tries on a stone that was not a good contender.

@yssie tbh I think it would bother me. I think I am going to wait to see what other options are available. Which leads to my update (see above)
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I'm sorry to be negative, but this isn't good either. A 36 crown is steep, and paired with a 40.8 pavillion angle it won't work well.

The chart below shows proportions and how they best work together. The green column is the "safest" proportions that were mentioned above. The yellow and orange columns are also quite safe.

www.pricescope.com

Diamond Proportions

The physics of light-behavior within a diamond are reliably consistent, which means proportions measurements can be useful.
www.pricescope.com
 
PS. I'm confused and distressed that your jeweler seems unable to source a stone within the "safe" proportions (green column).
 
lovedogs said:
I'm sorry to be negative, but this isn't good either. A 36 crown is steep, and paired with a 40.8 pavillion angle it won't work well.

The chart below shows proportions and how they best work together. The green column is the "safest" proportions that were mentioned above. The yellow and orange columns are also quite safe.

www.pricescope.com

Diamond Proportions

The physics of light-behavior within a diamond are reliably consistent, which means proportions measurements can be useful.
www.pricescope.com
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:(
would you say this is the best option thus far?
 
lovedogs said:
Can you share your preferred budget, size, color, etc? We can try to see if there are alternatives that your jeweler could source.
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@lovedogs & @Diamond_Enthusiast I asked if possible, for them to source diamonds I found as an alternative. They said it was a possibility depending on the cutter. Would you or anyone be able to help find alternatives with preferred proportions?

lovedogs answers to your questions:
preferred budget- 24K, size 2.10-2.3, ct, color- I and above
lovedogs said:
PS. I'm confused and distressed that your jeweler seems unable to source a stone within the "safe" proportions (green column).
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I am told there is shortage of what's available as well I am guessing my budget
 
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It has the potential to be the best one so far.

Positives (most of these are personal preference):
The 75% lowers
40.8° PA
50% stars
Faint flourescence
Completely clean table on the inclusion plot
No mention of clouds in the comments section

Potential concern:
The 36.0° CA paired with this PA...may be just fine, but please verify by asking your jeweler to get ASET or IdealScope images.
 
sparklebling123 said:
Update: Hi everyone, thank you so much for all your help. I spoken to them and voiced my concerns and disappoint with the alternatives provided. I finally was firm and assertive.

I was given this option I SO HOPE this is the one :pray: . So far, this is the closet to the ideal proportions I have come across. The video looks good too (from what I can tell).
Would you please take a look and let me know what y'all think? Again thank you everyone I feel very appreciative :)

@DejaWiz , @yssie , @flyingpig , @lovedogs, @Karl_K - does this look promising? I hope so :pray:

https://dna.stonehdfile.com/ViewHD.html?d=621016805#View360

GIA.jpg

replies to earlier messages:
@AllAboardTheBlingTrain - I haven't ran that particular stone through the HCA as I didn't want to waste my HCA tries on a stone that was not a good contender.

@yssie tbh I think it would bother me. I think I am going to wait to see what other options are available. Which leads to my update (see above)
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Okay. Yes. Have them pull this stone. You want to see this stone in-person.

Still got some pavilion asymmetry, definitely not H&A. So it’s still a bit of a “compromise” on that front.

But.

1. Its a VS2. Let’s put pesky interfering inclusions to bed.
2. Faint fluor shouldn’t be anything you notice IRL outside of at the nightclub. But have your jeweller check this with a blacklight because GIA sometimes pulls fluor grades out of a hat.
3. It’s got much better optical symmetry than some of your other options.
4. Girdle is nice and bright.

See how the arrows are white face-up but go black at very small tilt? In the photos on some vendors’ websites the arrows are all black faceup. This stone’s are white because the stone is slightly deeper than the proportions that those vendors aim for. But not overly so. This stone isn’t “leaky”.

In-person this stone will look darker and moodier than one with PS preferred proportions. It won’t be as bright white. But it will show more coloured light return across a variety of lighting environments than those other stones show. The key is that the differences would be minimal. I’ve written about why a blood red IS or ASET with thick black arrows isn’t going to best suit everyone’s tastes… I’m on my phone and can’t find those posts, but I’ll see if I can dig a thread up later tonight.

Is one better than the other? Well. That’s a question of balance. Most vendors of precision cut stones aim for a specific balance of white light and coloured that has proven to be generally crowd-pleasing. That’s the flavour that the PS recommended proportions target as well. It’s a specific flavour. Other flavours may be less generally crowd-pleasing but might suit you better. Or maybe not. Me, I’m a sucker for colour. My stone is outside PS preferred proportions sets too - I chose it that way deliberately. My stone wouldn’t be to everyone’s tastes. I think you need to see it to know how you feel. If the flavour is right for you then this could be a beautiful and minimum-compromise option.
 
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I'm recommending this J as an option to strongly consider:
It has a 40.9° pavilion angle paired with a 34.0° crown angle, which means it will lean towards brilliance/white light return.
You can see the direct effect of this in both the sparkle and brilliance videos.
Beautiful hearts and arrows images!
Contact WF and at least put it on hold while you think things over and weigh all your options.

Diamond | 2.526 ct J VS2 A CUT ABOVE® Hearts and Arrows Super Ideal Round Cut Loose Diamond AGS Certified | 4227311

This Whiteflash A CUT ABOVE® super ideal cut hearts and arrows 2.526 carat J color VS2 clarity loose diamond is graded by the American Gem Society (AGS) Laboratories. | 4227311
www.whiteflash.com
 
DejaWiz said:
I'm recommending this J as an option to strongly consider:
It has a 40.9° pavilion angle paired with a 34.0° crown angle, which means it will lean towards brilliance/white light return.
You can see the direct effect of this in both the sparkle and brilliance videos.
Beautiful hearts and arrows images!
Contact WF and at least put it on hold while you think things over and weigh all your options.

Diamond | 2.526 ct J VS2 A CUT ABOVE® Hearts and Arrows Super Ideal Round Cut Loose Diamond AGS Certified | 4227311

This Whiteflash A CUT ABOVE® super ideal cut hearts and arrows 2.526 carat J color VS2 clarity loose diamond is graded by the American Gem Society (AGS) Laboratories. | 4227311
www.whiteflash.com
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I thought OP was stuck w her jeweler bc she needs to trade in a stone. Not sure if that's true though
 
DejaWiz said:
It has the potential to be the best one so far.

Positives (most of these are personal preference):
The 75% lowers
40.8° PA
50% stars
Faint flourescence
Completely clean table on the inclusion plot
No mention of clouds in the comments section

Potential concern:
The 36.0° CA paired with this PA...may be just fine, but please verify by asking your jeweler to get ASET or IdealScope images.
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I was able to get these.
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