imagine what would happen if PS wasn''t a moderated forum .....

[Jennifer5973]

Date: 8/14/2005 3:29:32 PM
Author: Mara
jenn, i have refrained up until now from saying anything re: my thoughts since i didn't feel like getting into it (imagine that?!)....but the comments you made here about how to treat people or politeness floored ME. no one is a saint and you certainly have participated a time or two in posts that were less than perfect behavior. perfect case in point is your ETA to your thread up above where you said that people were welcomed here even though they just came to post their own pictures or items, and you didn't support narcissistic behavior. ouch? What is that? is what you said a positive thing? why even say something like that, what is it relevant to? as you said, if its good for the goose...

seriously, none of us are saints here and some of us are stronger willed or opinionated than others, but at least be honest about how you are. i dislike seeing people throw stones when they are encased in glass housing.

as for the critique on pricescope's post re: exposing Sarita/Tankman as having the same IP...seriously that is something that would have been better suited to PM IMO.

Surely you can't be serious....I express my opinions as so many in the "in crowd" have and it's so shocking? Thanks for underscoring my very point.

I never said I was perfect or a "saint." But I DO try to be respectful of others here, even when disagreeing. I am sure I have failed a time or two, but no one is perfect...but at least I try to think of others' feelings besides my own when commenting here.

As far as my point about the few people who don't add a thing to the forum besides blatant bragging, shame on me for saying what 99.8% of the regulars here think but are too afraid to say for fear of being pounced on. (I don't want to pull the PM card--I hate that too--but oh if I had a dollar....)

Look, you win, okay? We disagree on the fact there is a doube standard here, which is the real issue--NOT the actions of any one person or the details of any one incident. End of story. Like I have said twice before, I am entitled to my opinion, as are you. I have expressed it without personal attacks, foul language or an abusive tone, but as usual, when someone greatly dissents from the prevailing opinion of the old guard here, he/she is suddenly persona non grata.

Let's just call it a day, huh? The power went out as I was typing this last reply (thunder storms) and I think it's a sign...

 

[Mara]

Date: 8/14/2005 7:54:52 PM
Author: Jennifer5973

Date: 8/14/2005 3:29:32 PM
Author: Mara
jenn, i have refrained up until now from saying anything re: my thoughts since i didn't feel like getting into it (imagine that?!)....but the comments you made here about how to treat people or politeness floored ME. no one is a saint and you certainly have participated a time or two in posts that were less than perfect behavior. perfect case in point is your ETA to your thread up above where you said that people were welcomed here even though they just came to post their own pictures or items, and you didn't support narcissistic behavior. ouch? What is that? is what you said a positive thing? why even say something like that, what is it relevant to? as you said, if its good for the goose...

seriously, none of us are saints here and some of us are stronger willed or opinionated than others, but at least be honest about how you are. i dislike seeing people throw stones when they are encased in glass housing.

as for the critique on pricescope's post re: exposing Sarita/Tankman as having the same IP...seriously that is something that would have been better suited to PM IMO.

Surely you can't be serious....I express my opinions as so many in the 'in crowd' have and it's so shocking? Thanks for underscoring my very point.

I am very serious, that's just what I think. What shocked me is not that you expressed an opinion, but rather that you express an opinion while pointing a finger at others, when in fact sometimes you can say things that are not quite so nice, just like the rest of the world out there. That is what I mean. As for respecting others, for me calling people narcissists is not a sign of respect, but maybe to you it is. If so, fine. My point was at least call a spade a spade. Did you think of the narcissists feelings when you added that ETA?

As far as my point about the few people who don't add a thing to the forum besides blatant bragging, shame on me for saying what 99.8% of the regulars here think but are too afraid to say for fear of being pounced on. (I don't want to pull the PM card--I hate that too--but oh if I had a dollar....)

I agree with you on this point, I make it very clear often that I dislike when people come here, anyone in fact, and do not assist on or discuss diamond issues...to me they add no real purpose to the forums. I really have an old school mentality about PS. You don't know how often I have told Leonid to nix all these other random forums, even Hangout, and just keep it RT the way it used to be when PS first started, and maybe one other forum for hodgepodge. But I am sure most of PS would dislike that.

There is no win or lose here. Yes we disagree, but it's not about the double standard, it's that I found it funny that someone could point a finger while being insulting to others on the same page and talk about respecting feelings. Just my two cents.

 

[aljdewey]

As far as my point about the few people who don''t add a thing to the forum besides blatant bragging, shame on me for saying what 99.8% of the regulars here think but are too afraid to say for fear of being pounced on.

I''m confused. If you''re tuned in to what "99.8% of the regulars" are thinking here, then how can you feel like persona-non-grata?

I agree with Mara.....when people post here, they post in a public forum. There is no limit the number of people who can agree with them or disagree with them. If 4 people don''t share a poster''s opinion, all of the sudden it''s ganging up on him? If that''s how it''s perceived, this type of format just isn''t right for you.

This is a public forum, and it''s open to public discussion. No poster should have to withhold making a contribution just because three other people already commented so as to avoid the "ganging up" appearance for the more tenderhearted. No one spends time here to simply gang up on people.

If people feel that easily "ganged up" upon just because a handful of people express a dissenting point of view......again, this just isn''t the right venue for them. There are plenty of times people don''t agree with me----I''m not about to get all weepy over it. People agree; people disagree.

 

[Jennifer5973]

Oh, I may be tuned into what a lot of people are thinking but the majority (as in pure numbers of posters) doesn't control "persona non grata" status here.... I think you know that.

As for the narcissist comment--I see Mara trying very hard (gets an "A" for effort) to strangle me with my own words...well, it IS my opinion that some people (very, very small minority) are narcisissts:

nar·cis·sism ( P ) Pronunciation Key (närs-szm) also nar·cism (-szm)
n.
Excessive love or admiration of oneself. See Synonym conceit.
A psychological condition characterized by self-preoccupation, lack of empathy, and unconscious deficits in self-esteem.

I am stating a fact....if it's an insult then maybe the people who think I am talking about them should change their behavior. Although by nature, the narcissist seldom realizes he/she is being narcissistic so it's a mute point, isn't it?

But THE crux of this entire discussion isn't that I expressed I felt some people here are narcissists...it's that it was I who made the statement...and I firmly believe that if certain others had made that same statement, no one would have skipped a beat.

Hey, like I said...we have agreed to disagree... You are the true "queen of pscope" with your ladies in waiting dutifully lined up by your side...I have no desire to be in the pagent, let alone wear the crown... I'll just piddle along in the mud as I see fit (insert image of that Drew Barrymore movie where she is Cinderella...).

Come on, LAUGH. It's okay, you know... I can take it.

 

[aljdewey]

The only "persona non grata" designation is the one you give yourself. If that's how you perceive yourself......well, that's something only you can change. If someone can be made to feel like a persona non grata just because someone else doesn't agree with him/her, that's a personal issue s/he has work through.

A bazillion of you don't agree with me a lot of the time, and I don't have a "persona non-grata" outlook. I accept that some people agree, and some people don't. Just because others don't agree with you doesn't mean you are a persona non grata.....for goodness sake! It just means they have another viewpoint!

Horrible, I know....that anyone should have a dissenting view, but oh well. That's life.

If the goal is to get everybody to agree on every topic in order to validate someone, believe me.....not gonna happen. Since we're getting into providing definitions, though, this one might be particulatly useful in this type of venue:

dis·cus·sion ( P ) Pronunciation Key (d-skshn)
n.
Consideration of a subject by a group; an earnest conversation.
A formal discourse on a topic; an exposition.

 

[Mara]

No the POINT is not that you called anyone a narcissist, I could care less about that.

It''s that you called someone (whoever!) a narcissist and said that you preferred to not play in the sandbox with them. And THEN said you respected people and showed class by considering people''s feelings.

All this other IN CROWD and QUEEN hodgepodge is just superfluous drama in my opinion...but I love the acting. And that was one of my favorite movies.

Though I have never been part of the in-crowd in my life. To *me* that is high-school.

The real point for me is that someone is pointing a finger and yet is standing in the muck herself.

But you do have a nice set of pave balls!!!

 

[Jennifer5973]

Date: 8/14/2005 9:58:13 PM
Author: aljdewey


If the goal is the get everybody to agree on every topic in order to validate someone, believe me.....not gonna happen.

Who ever said THAT? Not I. It's not about agreeing; it's about tone and double standards. that was my whole point/opinion....

Can't we even agree on what the issue is? I thought I made it pretty clear that it's not about whether members agree all the time but the tone in which dissenting opinons are expressed and the double standard around acceptance of said tone from certain members.

I never said everyone should agree. Why are you perceiving that from my posts?

 

[Jennifer5973]

Date: 8/14/2005 9:58:31 PM
Author: Mara
No the POINT is not that you called anyone a narcissist, I could care less about that.

It''s that you called someone (whoever!) a narcissist and said that you preferred to not play in the sandbox with them. And THEN said you respected people and showed class by considering people''s feelings.

All this other IN CROWD and QUEEN hodgepodge is just superfluous drama in my opinion...but I love the acting. And that was one of my favorite movies.

Though I have never been part of the in-crowd in my life. To *me* that is high-school.

The real point for me is that someone is pointing a finger and yet is standing in the muck herself.

But you do have a nice set of pave balls!!!

But you continue to miss my whole point-I wasn''t pointing a finger--I was stating a FACT.

Well, my attempt at levity re: movie/princess clearly failed so how about I officially give up....I am too tired and need to go have my nightcap before my busy week starts. I have to work very hard--if I pass my test, I get a present.

And btw, that pave is D, Flawless, darling.....

 

[aljdewey]

Date: 8/14/2005 10:01:01 PM
Author: Jennifer5973

Date: 8/14/2005 9:58:13 PM
Author: aljdewey


If the goal is the get everybody to agree on every topic in order to validate someone, believe me.....not gonna happen.

Who ever said THAT? Not I. It's not about agreeing; it's about tone and double standards. that was my whole poitn opinion....

Can't we even agree on what the issue is? I thought I made it pretty clear that it's not about whether members agree all the time but the tone in which dissenting opinons are expressed and the double standard around acceptance of said tone from certain members.

I never said everyone should agree. Why are you perceiving that from my posts?

I'm perceiving that from your earlier post which pointed to a discussion where several people expressed a dissenting opiinon to the original poster. Because several people chimed in to disagree, you classified that as "ganging up on".

If people can't express a disagreeing viewpoint without it being perceived as "ganging up on", then the only alternative is to expect everyone to agree. If not, maybe you could clarify how many people are allowed to disagree with a poster before it becomes "ganging up on"?

In your world, direct=aggressive. That's because you *choose* to perceive it that way. Again, nothing anyone else can do about that.

 

[Jennifer5973]

Again, I must not have been crystal clear.... It''s not the dissention but the tone. In that thread it was a full court press against that person... oh, hooha! I agree...nothign *I* can do about *my* perceptions. So let''s leave it at that.


"Is that clear?"

"Crystal."

 

[aljdewey]

Yep - you're right. It's everone else who's rude and disrespectful. The response above is FAR more respectful than others around here. ......

You were exceedingly clear....what's crystal clear is that you cannot distinguish between a dissention to someone's OPINION versus them personally. The people in that post didn't "full court press" against the person, they simply disagreed with the stated opinion. But to you, everything's personal. People cannot disagree with your viewpoint without you interpreting it as an affront on you, the person. The tone you hear? It's in your head.

One more time......participation on PS is voluntary, not compulsory. If so many here are so distasteful and you are so offended by the discussions here, why bother? If you don't like the way the other kids play in the sandbox, no one forces you to play too.

Hopefully, that's equally crystal clear.

 

[Jennifer5973]

Date: 8/14/2005 10:35:01 PM
Author: aljdewey
Yep - you''re right. It''s everone else who''s rude and disrespectful. The response above is FAR more respectful than others around here. ......

You were exceedingly clear....what''s crystal clear is that you cannot distinguish between a dissention to someone''s OPINION versus them personally. The people in that post didn''t ''full court press'' against the person, they simply disagreed with the stated opinion. But to you, everything''s personal. People cannot disagree with your viewpoint without you interpreting it as an affront on you, the person. The tone you hear? It''s in your head.

One more time......participation on PS is voluntary, not compulsory. If so many here are so distasteful and you are so offended by the discussions here, why bother? If you don''t like the way the other kids play in the sandbox, no one forces you to play too.

Hopefully, that''s equally crystal clear.

Golly Gee whiz! THANKS for explaining it to me!!!!!!!!!

Actually, I was hoping for something more original.... this "love it or leave" mantra is getting a bit hackneyed.

 

[aljdewey]

You're welcome.

Always happy to help.

 

[Jennifer5973]

Date: 8/14/2005 10:35:01 PM
Author: aljdewey
Yep - you''re right. It''s everone else who''s rude and disrespectful. The response above is FAR more respectful than others around here. ......

You were exceedingly clear....what''s crystal clear is that you cannot distinguish between a dissention to someone''s OPINION versus them personally. The people in that post didn''t ''full court press'' against the person, they simply disagreed with the stated opinion. But to you, everything''s personal. People cannot disagree with your viewpoint without you interpreting it as an affront on you, the person. The tone you hear? It''s in your head.

One more time......participation on PS is voluntary, not compulsory. If so many here are so distasteful and you are so offended by the discussions here, why bother? If you don''t like the way the other kids play in the sandbox, no one forces you to play too.

Hopefully, that''s equally crystal clear.

hmmmm.......Don''t think so (but that could be my other personality talking...the one that can suffer fools more easily)...

 

[sevens one]

Date: 8/14/2005 10:06:00 PM
Author: Jennifer5973

Date: 8/14/2005 9:58:31 PM
Author: Mara
No the POINT is not that you called anyone a narcissist, I could care less about that.

It''s that you called someone (whoever!) a narcissist and said that you preferred to not play in the sandbox with them. And THEN said you respected people and showed class by considering people''s feelings.

All this other IN CROWD and QUEEN hodgepodge is just superfluous drama in my opinion...but I love the acting. And that was one of my favorite movies.

Though I have never been part of the in-crowd in my life. To *me* that is high-school.

The real point for me is that someone is pointing a finger and yet is standing in the muck herself.

But you do have a nice set of pave balls!!!

But you continue to miss my whole point-I wasn''t pointing a finger--I was stating a FACT.

Well, my attempt at levity re: movie/princess clearly failed so how about I officially give up....I am too tired and need to go have my nightcap before my busy week starts. I have to work very hard--if I pass my test, I get a present.

And btw, that pave is D, Flawless, darling.....

oh, I hope it''s a shiny present!

 

[aljdewey]

Wow - that nightcap must be potent to make you quote the same thing twice.

I guess I should be flattered -- being quoted so much. Thanks!

 

[Jennifer5973]

Date: 8/14/2005 10:58:24 PM
Author: aljdewey
Wow - that nightcap must be potent to make you quote the same thing twice.

I guess I should be flattered -- being quoted so much. Thanks!

Well, if this isn''t a wake up call to sober up, nothing is.

 

[aljdewey]

 

[Jennifer5973]

Date: 8/14/2005 11:12:22 PM
Author: aljdewey

Alright--where is the REAL aljdewey and what have you done with her????????

Good night, kiddies!

 

[Jennifer5973]

 

[sarita]

Hmm, I am not sure where to begin here. Having a hard time following at this point really.

First up: Boyfriend, not husband actually. Did I tell him to come here and take up for me? No. But it was sweet that he did.

FWIW no one needed to even check our IP addresses, if you just look at like the 2nd of 3 posts or so he has one was in my own pic thread where he mentioned "sitting right next to me". But I digress. I did get a laugh out of the idea that maybe some thought I created the new ID to support myself though. I''m not *that* lame, really.

Aljdewey - You totally missed the point. Your comment here in response to me, was rude. I highly doubt you would counter my comment in such a tone in real life, as strangers. Which we are. (Shall I refresh, BTW? "Waaaaaayyyy out on a limb; Maaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaybe; just a CRAZY guess.........." I''m not some old buddy here talking about ripped red spandex or whatever the heck that was all about (nice diversion). Maybe you knew I wouldn''t want to even get into it with you (which I don''t), and that everyone else would be there to pat you on the back anyway, so you didn''t care. Fine. It''s not like I was crushed or anything; it was just rude, that''s all. Have you been carrying on this way so long you forgot what that looked like? Didja really need my hall monitor to tell you that?

I think it''s fascinating how far you and your buds seem to go to preserve bad manners, it really is something in itself to behold. I am far from the forum saint myself but I do not snap with no warrant, or for the sport of it, and I really don''t buy that it''s unintentional as you claim it is. And furthermore if I see someone getting hurt I back off. But I guess that''s just my margarita, right?

 

[thebanjodog]

hi aljdewey

i am wondering if you could answer a question about an internet shorthand term. a couple of days ago you used the letters hups. i was curious what that stood for. another poster also asked the same question and i didn''t see a reply.



i have been reading this thread and thought i might offer my take on the situation. i think most everyone agrees that this is a public forum and everyone may freely state their opinion. having said that, i don''t see why it is wrong for you and others with the opinion that you can be as frank and blunt as you wish to follow that style. on the other hand, after you do express those opinions others who don''t agree with them also have the right to voice their opinions. if those individuals want to take a more genteel approach to things and express their opinion on the blunt remarks you make then i think turn about is fair play.


a diamond grading system is already in place. we all know or can fairly easy find out those letters and numbers. everything is is opinion after that. unfortunately or maybe fortunately nobody sees anything the same way. and each is entitled to his or her own opinion.


i am not the one to define the ps code of conduct but i don''t think anyone but leonid should offer their fellow posters the door. more than once i have read what sounds like an invitation that says if you don''t like the way we play leave. i have no standing to correct the behavior of anyone participating on this forum. the same rules apply to everyone and if i understand those all may state their opinions.


imo the banjo dog

 

[sarita]

"hi aljdewey i am wondering if you could answer a question about an internet shorthand term. a couple of days ago you used the letters hups. i was curious what that stood for. another poster also asked the same question and i didn't see a reply. "

Hi Banjo, it was I that asked the question which was most likely why it was ignored. After all, it took my boyfriend to come on here and shake a reply out of her in this thread.

As for the rest of the post

Thank you for your objective and obviously unbiased contribution.

ETA: Goodnight all! For those of you that are hard-n-proud feel free to have a horrible night though.

 

[aljdewey]

Date: 8/14/2005 11:52:15 PM
Author: sarita
Hmm, I am not sure where to begin here. Having a hard time following at this point really.

First up: Boyfriend, not husband actually. Did I tell him to come here and take up for me? No. But it was sweet that he did.

FWIW no one needed to even check our IP addresses, if you just look at like the 2nd of 3 posts or so he has one was in my own pic thread where he mentioned ''sitting right next to me''. But I digress. I did get a laugh out of the idea that maybe some thought I created the new ID to support myself though. I''m not *that* lame, really.

Aljdewey - You totally missed the point. Your comment here in response to me, was rude. I highly doubt you would counter my comment in such a tone in real life, as strangers. Which we are. (Shall I refresh, BTW? ''Waaaaaayyyy out on a limb; Maaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaybe; just a CRAZY guess..........'' I''m not some old buddy here talking about ripped red spandex or whatever the heck that was all about (nice diversion). Maybe you knew I wouldn''t want to even get into it with you (which I don''t), and that everyone else would be there to pat you on the back anyway, so you didn''t care. Fine. It''s not like I was crushed or anything; it was just rude, that''s all. Have you been carrying on this way so long you forgot what that looked like? Didja really need my hall monitor to tell you that?

I think it''s fascinating how far you and your buds seem to go to preserve bad manners, it really is something in itself to behold. I am far from the forum saint myself but I do not snap with no warrant, or for the sport of it, and I really don''t buy that it''s unintentional as you claim it is. And furthermore if I see someone getting hurt I back off. But I guess that''s just my margarita, right?

Sarita: No, I didn''t miss the point, I just disagreed with it.

I''m sorry you felt offended. You felt offended because you 1) thought I was speaking *to* you, which I wasn''t, and 2) because you don''t know me as well as the other participants in the conversation, all of whom seemed to catch that I was joking in understandment.

No, my response wasn''t TO you....it was a comment made to the entire discussion group about something you said.....not a response to you. A response to you would imply that I was speaking directly to you in my response, and I was not. If a group of people are having a discussion, responding to a thought expressed by any one of the group isn''t a response to only that person, but to the whole group.....again, most of whom know me and know that it was delivered with a wink and intended to be massive understatement.

If the facetiousness didn''t register with you, my apologies. I''ve already said no ill was intended....you can either accept that at face value or not. Your choice.

Let''s just be completely candid so we''re all on the same page. I don''t care if you approve/disapprove of my contributions. I don''t care if anyone else approves/disapproves of my contributions. It''s really that simple. I''m not here to people please. Take what you can find value in, and disregard the rest.

You back off when someone''s getting hurt.......with all due respect, hooray for you. Just because you are inclined to doesn''t obligate me to. I''m not here to cater to how you think things should be......nor anyone else. I''m not trying to be a pill....I''m just telling you the way that it is. If someone gets hurt the minute someone disagrees with them, that''s not my problem. If you don''t find the humor that others do in my facetious comment.....which was clearly meant to be over-the-top and joking.......well, you don''t.

I''m not going to alter my style to suit you, just as I don''t expect you to alter yours to suit me.

 

[aljdewey]

Date: 8/14/2005 11:58:48 PM
Author: thebanjodog
hi aljdewey

i am wondering if you could answer a question about an internet shorthand term. a couple of days ago you used the letters hups. i was curious what that stood for. another poster also asked the same question and i didn''t see a reply.

It doesn''t stand for anything; it''s a colloquiallism used in my area of the country meaning "thinks are askew"...randomness. It''s slang in my side of the country - actually pretty specific to my region. Sort of like the card game 45s...played locally, and I''ve never met anyone outside the area who plays it.

I didn''t answer because for two reasons: because I realized after the fact that it would be lost on most people, being such a regional term, and 2) because I see it as an *option* to respond, not an obligation......just as I choose not to post in some threads and do post in others.

i have been reading this thread and thought i might offer my take on the situation. i think most everyone agrees that this is a public forum and everyone may freely state their opinion. having said that, i don''t see why it is wrong for you and others with the opinion that you can be as frank and blunt as you wish to follow that style. on the other hand, after you do express those opinions others who don''t agree with them also have the right to voice their opinions. if those individuals want to take a more genteel approach to things and express their opinion on the blunt remarks you make then i think turn about is fair play.

Of course I agree with that.......they absolutely do have the right to comment. In your instance though, they aren''t expressing an opinion on the content of the comment, but rather the manner in which I make the comment. That, too, is fine.....but doesn''t obligate me to alter anything to cater to anyone.

a diamond grading system is already in place. we all know or can fairly easy find out those letters and numbers. everything is is opinion after that. unfortunately or maybe fortunately nobody sees anything the same way. and each is entitled to his or her own opinion.

Yes, and they are entitled to their own personalities, some of which you will like and other which you won''t. Just as in real life, no?


i am not the one to define the ps code of conduct but i don''t think anyone but leonid should offer their fellow posters the door. more than once i have read what sounds like an invitation that says if you don''t like the way we play leave.

I''m not offering anyone the door; I''m pointing out the obvious.....or what I think should be patently obvious. Maybe more direct would be better. I''m not changing my style to suit you. I''m not changing it to suit anyone else. What you do about that is up to you. Frankly, I don''t give a hoot whether folks stay or go.....makes no difference to me. But it IS a voluntary place, and if folks don''t like something, well, do something about it.

I don''t think anyone other than Leonid should be telling people how they can express themselves either.....just my opinion....but several others take license with it.

 

[aljdewey]

Date: 8/15/2005 12:18:36 AM
Author: sarita
'hi aljdewey i am wondering if you could answer a question about an internet shorthand term. a couple of days ago you used the letters hups. i was curious what that stood for. another poster also asked the same question and i didn't see a reply. '

Hi Banjo, it was I that asked the question which was most likely why it was ignored. After all, it took my boyfriend to come on here and shake a reply out of her in this thread.

See previous post......it is one's choice to reply to any given thread, not an obligation. Not having answered because it was you wasn't the reason then, but it's quite possible it may be the reason at some point forward.

I practice what I preach....I participate in those topics that interest me, and I choose to refrain from those that don't. This will probably classify as the latter.....post isn't going anywhere at this point. There really isn't more to add.

Gee, if I were more sensitive, I might feel like I was getting "ganged up on".....but nah. I know better, and I don't take offense where it isn't intended. You are welcome to interpret that any way you like, too. It won't be of consequence to me.

 

[thebanjodog]

thanks aljdewey for the info on hups. it sounds like you come from an interesting locality.


i am glad that all of us seem to agree that everyone is free to be themselves and offer us a different point of view. i have aways taken the attitude that i may not agree with what you say but i will certainly go home and think about it. and after i have thought about it sometimes i change my mind. most of us are familiar with that advertising phrase, "a mind is a terrible thing to waste". i hope to learn something and enjoy the meeting of the minds on this forum. banjo

 

[aljdewey]

You''re welcome, Banjo......and welcome to PS.

 

[kaylagee]

yeah yeah yeah....look, things could be worse

...



http://pbskids.org/boohbah/boohbah.html

 

[aljdewey]

LMAO - too funny!