IMO...the U.S government need to start deporting illegal aliens...

[Dancing Fire]

if illegal aliens have another one of those "walk out day" like they did a couple yrs ago the INS should just round them all up and deport em. don't they know they are breaking the law?.

 

[packrat]

Why can''t we find some money, since it''s obviously falling from the sky nowadays to bail places out, to get the homeless that are able to work into housing and get them working? There are plenty of people down on their luck that would jump at the chance to have a decent place to crash at night and a new start on life. We help out all kinds of dead beats who can''t be bothered to lift a finger to do anything for themselves and we house and feed them, so why not do like BeeBrisk suggested, and then use the money saved to help able bodied homeless get jobs?

There are plenty of people around to do the jobs. Some don''t want to work b/c they''re lazy and would rather live off the system. Take the system away. Some want to work, but have fallen on hard times and need a bit of help.

I live in the Midwest, in packing house country. It is THE place to work in my town, b/c it starts at 9 whole dollars an hour. Now, flash back to 1975-1980..my dad started there right after he got out of Vietnam, and still works there. When I was little, my dad made MORE per HOUR, not adjusting for inflation or anything b/c I don''t know how to do that, than what he does now. So, a family of 4 in 1980 w/the dad making about $13/hour..health was paid by the company and he had a great retirement plan. Not a glamorous job but paid the bills mighty fine. Not so anymore.

The company is well aware that there are people willing to work for waaaaaay less, so why pay Americans more?? If Mr. Company owner can pay his people $9/hour, make them pay partial for benefits and take away most of their retirement, why would he pay $15/hour, pay 100% of health etc, and provide a nice retirement plan? Out of the goodness of his heart? (I would, but I don''t own a business, and maybe that''s why, b/c I still have my scruples and my mama raised me right??) No, he slashes benefits and wages b/c HE gets to give himself a nice fat bonus w/the money he saves every year.

As far as jobs we "won''t" do..would I pick lettuce for $2.00/hour? Nope. I''d have to work 24/7, and my parents would have to live here, probably my 3 grammas and one of my aunts..throw in a cousin or 2, to make ends meet. Am I willing to do this? No. Would I pick lettuce for $10/hr? Yep, sure would. Like I said in a thread before, I don''t think someone flipping burgers needs to make $500,000/year..they don''t need to drive a Mercedes. Conversely, do I think someone who sings awful purty or can hit a baseball really far or can play a part in a movie, needs to make millions and millions of dollars? Nope. Do the CEO''s of companies need to make millions? Nope. The people who heal us when we''re sick, defend us when we''re at war, and protect us day to day with their lives, should be worth a heck of a lot more to us than a singer or Mr. Walmart. Our priorities have been off kilter for YEARS and I don''t see it changing.

As far as making it easier to come here..why? What purpose does it serve to make things easier for OTHER people and totally disregard our OWN people? Because it''s too hard and takes too long? Lots of things are hard to do in life-can they go ahead and make it easier to become a doctor b/c gee..I''d really like to provide a better life for myself and my family but shucks, it takes so LONG and it''s just so HARD I can''t do it. (Please read that in your best 7 year old whiney voice and stick your lip out and pout when you read it)

Longwinded, sorry..this is just one of those things that burns me to no end..and I''m beginning to wonder if possibly I stumbled onto DF''s diabolical plan to rile people up???

 

[Haven]

I just want to say I very much agree with Purrfectpear''s posts. I''m a bit too emotionally involved with this issue to comment right now. I''ll gather my thoughts and return later.

 

[KimberlyH]

Date: 3/19/2009 8:15:28 PM
Author: Dancing Fire
if illegal aliens have another one of those 'walk out day' like they did a couple yrs ago the INS should just round them all up and deport em. don't they know they are breaking the law?.

What about their employers, DF? Why shouldn't they be rounded up instead? They're actually citizens, doesn't that make their law-breaking behavior much worse/more offensive? If people weren't willing to hire illegal immigrants they would have no reason to come here.

 

[packrat]

Date: 3/19/2009 10:08:30 PM
Author: KimberlyH

Date: 3/19/2009 8:15:28 PM

Author: Dancing Fire

if illegal aliens have another one of those ''walk out day'' like they did a couple yrs ago the INS should just round them all up and deport em. don''t they know they are breaking the law?.

What about their employers, DF? Why shouldn''t they be rounded up instead? They''re actually citizens, doesn''t that make their law-breaking behavior much worse/more offensive? If people weren''t willing to hire illegal immigrants they would have no reason to come here.

That''s very true and there should be serious penalties for hiring illegals. Period. "But we didn''t know" shouldn''t play a part in it. SSN''s, driver''s licenses etc..there are ways to validate identities. If there''s no consequences for doing it, they won''t quit. Or if it''s a slap on the wrist, it won''t work either. (So, you''re fining me $10,000 for having 20 illegals on my workforce, when I just saved $50,000 by hiring them at reduced wages and slashed benefits? Hahaha sucker, here''s your check)

 

[JulieN]

deport them. let prices rise. then everyone who thought a low-paying job was beneath them wouldn''t be able to afford as much.

cycle fixed.

 

[cara]

just from a practical standpoint, deporting illegal immigrants alone woln't work if they can still get jobs. Money calls, and they will just risk another desert crossing or boat trip to come back. You need enforcement at the employment level. If they can't earn money, they will leave*. Already happening due to the sucky economy.

*except some people from the violence-torn regions of Mexico where the cartels are terrorizing people. And people from other, equally inhospitable places. Those people decide life in the shadows in America is better than being dead in their homeland.

 

[Dancing Fire]

what piss me off the most are these pregnant women sneaking across the border to give birth (now this child is a instant U.S. citizen) guess who pays their medical bills ?

if my wife were to give birth it would probably cost us at least $8k.

 

[trillionaire]

Date: 3/20/2009 12:47:46 AM
Author: Dancing Fire
what piss me off the most are these pregnant women sneaking across the border to give birth (now this child is a instant U.S. citizen) guess who pays their medical bills ?

if my wife were to give birth it would probably cost us at least $8k.

That''s really horrible. Canadians really hate it when Americans do this too, you know, for the free health care. Maybe some Canadians can chime in with the solutions that their gov''t has used? I mean, child birth is really expensive, if they are going to come over here, they should at least get abortions. Those cost waaaaaaaay less. Only like $300!

''Cuz when mama gets deported, guess where the citizen kids go? Back to Mejico with mama.

 

[trillionaire]

An interesting look into the problem, for those who are interested...

Video

 

[AllieGator]

Date: 3/20/2009 12:04:22 AM
Author: cara
just from a practical standpoint, deporting illegal immigrants alone woln't work if they can still get jobs. Money calls, and they will just risk another desert crossing or boat trip to come back. You need enforcement at the employment level. If they can't earn money, they will leave*. Already happening due to the sucky economy.


*except some people from the violence-torn regions of Mexico where the cartels are terrorizing people. And people from other, equally inhospitable places. Those people decide life in the shadows in America is better than being dead in their homeland.

This post is good. I took a class on illegal immigration last semester, and we talked about all of these issues. Many people just keep immigrating. I think its easy for people to picture illegal immigrants as selfish jerks, but it's not true.

Immigrants will always try to come back, because of what they come for.

Most illegal immigrants come to the US because, for whatever social/political reason, they can't afford to support their families back home. Many come for a short time, saving money to buy a business or something similar in their home country, then return home. They also send as much money home to help their families as they can.

They would prefer to come legally, because their wages would be higher, but the process is long/somewhat expensive, at least expensive enough that the average immigrant cannot afford it.

Women immigrants, especially, often make the choice to immigrate, because they can either stay and let their children starve, or go and send money back.

I think even the most conservative among us would do that to save their children, I know I would.

An excellent book about this topic is "Enriques Journey" by Sonia Nazario. It's about a growing trend in illegal immigration, where children, some as young as 8 or 9, try to immigrate illegally to reunite with their mothers who had to leave them behind. It outlines very well exactly what an immigrant goes through, and why they are willing to do it.

Here's the site that accompanies the book:


Enrique's Journey


As violence escalates in Mexico, I think there is a good chance we will see more political refugees. Hopefully they will be able to claim political asylum and come legally, but I for one will not condemn them if they cannot. I'd rather have them safe and illegal, then legally dead.

 

[trillionaire]

Date: 3/20/2009 7:13:56 AM
Author: AllieGator

Date: 3/20/2009 12:04:22 AM
Author: cara
just from a practical standpoint, deporting illegal immigrants alone woln''t work if they can still get jobs. Money calls, and they will just risk another desert crossing or boat trip to come back. You need enforcement at the employment level. If they can''t earn money, they will leave*. Already happening due to the sucky economy.


*except some people from the violence-torn regions of Mexico where the cartels are terrorizing people. And people from other, equally inhospitable places. Those people decide life in the shadows in America is better than being dead in their homeland.

This post is good. I took a class on illegal immigration last semester, and we talked about all of these issues. Many people just keep immigrating. I think its easy for people to picture illegal immigrants as selfish jerks, but it''s not true.

Immigrants will always try to come back, because of what they come for.

Most illegal immigrants come to the US because, for whatever social/political reason, they can''t afford to support their families back home. Many come for a short time, saving money to buy a business or something similar in their home country, then return home. They also send as much money home to help their families as they can.

They would prefer to come legally, because their wages would be higher, but the process is long/somewhat expensive, at least expensive enough that the average immigrant cannot afford it.

Women immigrants, especially, often make the choice to immigrate, because they can either stay and let their children starve, or go and send money back.

I think even the most conservative among us would do that to save their children, I know I would.

An excellent book about this topic is ''Enriques Journey'' by Sonia Nazario. It''s about a growing trend in illegal immigration, where children, some as young as 8 or 9, try to immigrate illegally to reunite with their mothers who had to leave them behind. It outlines very well exactly what an immigrant goes through, and why they are willing to do it.

Here''s the site that accompanies the book:


Enrique''s Journey


As violence escalates in Mexico, I think there is a good chance we will see more political refugees. Hopefully they will be able to claim political asylum and come legally, but I for one will not condemn them if they cannot. I''d rather have them safe and illegal, then legally dead.

Excellent post. It compliments the video that I post above very well.

Borders are imaginary boundary lines, and people are human. There is of course something to be said about politics, but I am far more concerned about humanity.

 

[tlh]

Drop houses get discovered every other day in AZ. It is heartbreakingly sad. The illegal immigrats are basically slaves to the people promising safe harbor... locked inside houses w/o food or water. i think if we keep paying illegal immigrants for their labor - people will still pay their savings for safe harbor into the US -- only to be treated so inhumanley it makes me sick. Those that promise the safe passage are criminals and often drug dealers making the immigrants smuggle drugs with them.

This is not a pretty picture. I ask not for a fence to be built - but to stop hiring and paying the illegal workers... and that goes for paying 2 guys at the home depot $30 to move some furniture or mow your lawn.... because as long as they are ILLEGAL ultimately they are being exploited by EVERYONE. The only people that really benefit financially are the criminals that rape and sometimes murder (by allowing dealth through dehydration and starvation) those that only wanted to chase a dream. Granting citizenship and forgiving YEARS of owed back taxes, doesn''t do anything to discourage this behavior but actually rewards people for just not getting caught. It is a vicious cycle - and only stops when the cash flow does.

 

[HollyS]

Date: 3/19/2009 4:14:20 PM
Author: Allisonfaye

Date: 3/19/2009 2:08:24 PM
Author: purrfectpear

Date: 3/19/2009 1:24:00 PM
Author: strmrdr

Date: 3/19/2009 1:08:56 PM
Author: purrfectpear
Talked to any self entitled youth recently? Found any willing to work for less than $10 an hour? Didn''t think so.

So your saying your ok with exploiting people from other countries by not paying them a decent wage?
If the jobs are so great and $3 an hour is so kewl why don''t you take one of those jobs?

In saving a few fat cats a few pennies it is costing every one else billions.

Not really, I don''t have to. But I do remember working for $1.61/hr. in 1969.

That said, my point was that these jobs exist. They will always exist. Not all jobs pay the same. WalMart greeters don''t make 6 figures. Gardeners and maids don''t either. Those are jobs that teens today think is ''beneath them''. Well the people from other countries do not think that work is beneath them. You say exploitation, I say lower wage job. No one twists arms and makes anyone take them. Obviously today''s American youth isn''t willing.

Just exactly how much do you think the ''fat cats'' should pay someone to flip a burger or dig a ditch?

Until very recently, EVERYONE in Cuba made the exact same wage....farmers, doctors...everyone. Many people think it should be the same way here.

I sincerely hope that YOU are not one of ''the many people'' who think we should equalize pay. Please clarify your position.

 

[trillionaire]

Date: 3/20/2009 9:40:12 PM
Author: HollyS

Date: 3/19/2009 4:14:20 PM
Author: Allisonfaye

Date: 3/19/2009 2:08:24 PM
Author: purrfectpear

Date: 3/19/2009 1:24:00 PM
Author: strmrdr

Date: 3/19/2009 1:08:56 PM
Author: purrfectpear
Talked to any self entitled youth recently? Found any willing to work for less than $10 an hour? Didn''t think so.

So your saying your ok with exploiting people from other countries by not paying them a decent wage?
If the jobs are so great and $3 an hour is so kewl why don''t you take one of those jobs?

In saving a few fat cats a few pennies it is costing every one else billions.

Not really, I don''t have to. But I do remember working for $1.61/hr. in 1969.

That said, my point was that these jobs exist. They will always exist. Not all jobs pay the same. WalMart greeters don''t make 6 figures. Gardeners and maids don''t either. Those are jobs that teens today think is ''beneath them''. Well the people from other countries do not think that work is beneath them. You say exploitation, I say lower wage job. No one twists arms and makes anyone take them. Obviously today''s American youth isn''t willing.

Just exactly how much do you think the ''fat cats'' should pay someone to flip a burger or dig a ditch?

Until very recently, EVERYONE in Cuba made the exact same wage....farmers, doctors...everyone. Many people think it should be the same way here.

I sincerely hope that YOU are not one of ''the many people'' who think we should equalize pay. Please clarify your position.

I wouldn''t mind this. I want to get what the AIG guys were getting, before this year, or course. I don''t want to give mine back

 

[Allisonfaye]

Date: 3/20/2009 9:40:12 PM
Author: HollyS

Date: 3/19/2009 4:14:20 PM
Author: Allisonfaye

Date: 3/19/2009 2:08:24 PM
Author: purrfectpear

Date: 3/19/2009 1:24:00 PM
Author: strmrdr

Date: 3/19/2009 1:08:56 PM
Author: purrfectpear
Talked to any self entitled youth recently? Found any willing to work for less than $10 an hour? Didn''t think so.

So your saying your ok with exploiting people from other countries by not paying them a decent wage?
If the jobs are so great and $3 an hour is so kewl why don''t you take one of those jobs?

In saving a few fat cats a few pennies it is costing every one else billions.

Not really, I don''t have to. But I do remember working for $1.61/hr. in 1969.

That said, my point was that these jobs exist. They will always exist. Not all jobs pay the same. WalMart greeters don''t make 6 figures. Gardeners and maids don''t either. Those are jobs that teens today think is ''beneath them''. Well the people from other countries do not think that work is beneath them. You say exploitation, I say lower wage job. No one twists arms and makes anyone take them. Obviously today''s American youth isn''t willing.

Just exactly how much do you think the ''fat cats'' should pay someone to flip a burger or dig a ditch?

Until very recently, EVERYONE in Cuba made the exact same wage....farmers, doctors...everyone. Many people think it should be the same way here.

I sincerely hope that YOU are not one of ''the many people'' who think we should equalize pay. Please clarify your position.

No, I definately don''t think it should be this way. But with all the populist outrage, many people think we should take every dime from someone who makes over $250k and give it out to all the people who don''t want to spend years in grad school and work 15 hour days.

 

[starsapphire]

Why don''t we just take over Mexico, and then they will be US citizens! The problem is that it sucks over there and that is why they come here to work. I resent them being here, in a way, but I understand that they are needed. People don''t want to pay a decent wage for real work. Being in a field picking lettuce is real hard work. I would not want to do it. I think people in this country have it really good. I mean, average people live like kings, relatively speaking, compared to Mexicans. We are spoiled! I don''t really mind giving healthcare and stuff to to them because they DO work so hard, and they risk their lives to come here to make a better life for themselves and their families.

 

[Dancing Fire]

Date: 3/21/2009 9:38:31 PM
Author: starsapphire
Why don''t we just take over Mexico, and then they will be US citizens! The problem is that it sucks over there and that is why they come here to work. I resent them being here, in a way, but I understand that they are needed. People don''t want to pay a decent wage for real work. Being in a field picking lettuce is real hard work. I would not want to do it. I think people in this country have it really good. I mean, average people live like kings, relatively speaking, compared to Mexicans. We are spoiled! I don''t really mind giving healthcare and stuff to to them because they DO work so hard, and they risk their lives to come here to make a better life for themselves and their families.

we have our own healthcare problems. don''t you think it would be wiser to spent them dollars on our citizens?

 

[KimberlyH]

Give me your tired, your poor
Your huddled masses, yearning to breathe free.
The wretched refuse of your teeming shore.
Send these, the homeless, tempest – lost to me.
I lift my lamp beside the golden door.


Obviously there need to be some regulatory standards in place that are enforced regarding immigration, but isn''t the above what we as a country are supposed to stand for? Those who come here, work hard, support themselves and their families back in their own countries on meager earnings should not be looked upon as a black mark of our society, but as people who yearn to live the same dream our own ancestors came here for. Yes, they make take from our society but they also give back to us and to their own families in their own countries through their work.

I am a rule follower and a believer in doing what is right, but I''ve never been in so bad a position that I have had to even consider, let alone follow through with, leaving my home, my family, my life to move to another country so I could make a pittance to help resolve my problems.

I say keep that lamp lit, and help people come here legally, so that they may earn a decent wage, pay taxes, and care for their families both here and in their native lands.

 

[Dancing Fire]

Date: 3/21/2009 10:45:01 PM
Author: KimberlyH
Give me your tired, your poor
Your huddled masses, yearning to breathe free.
The wretched refuse of your teeming shore.
Send these, the homeless, tempest – lost to me.
I lift my lamp beside the golden door.


Obviously there need to be some regulatory standards in place that are enforced regarding immigration, but isn''t the above what we as a country are supposed to stand for? Those who come here, work hard, support themselves and their families back in their own countries on meager earnings should not be looked upon as a black mark of our society, but as people who yearn to live the same dream our own ancestors came here for. Yes, they make take from our society but they also give back to us and to their own families in their own countries through their work.

I am a rule follower and a believer in doing what is right, but I''ve never been in so bad a position that I have had to even consider, let alone follow through with, leaving my home, my family, my life to move to another country so I could make a pittance to help resolve my problems.

I say keep that lamp lit, and help people come here legally, so that they may earn a decent wage, pay taxes, and care for their families both here and in their native lands.

my grandfather did exactly that.

 

[trillionaire]

Date: 3/21/2009 11:15:24 PM
Author: Dancing Fire

Date: 3/21/2009 10:45:01 PM
Author: KimberlyH
Give me your tired, your poor
Your huddled masses, yearning to breathe free.
The wretched refuse of your teeming shore.
Send these, the homeless, tempest – lost to me.
I lift my lamp beside the golden door.


Obviously there need to be some regulatory standards in place that are enforced regarding immigration, but isn''t the above what we as a country are supposed to stand for? Those who come here, work hard, support themselves and their families back in their own countries on meager earnings should not be looked upon as a black mark of our society, but as people who yearn to live the same dream our own ancestors came here for. Yes, they make take from our society but they also give back to us and to their own families in their own countries through their work.

I am a rule follower and a believer in doing what is right, but I''ve never been in so bad a position that I have had to even consider, let alone follow through with, leaving my home, my family, my life to move to another country so I could make a pittance to help resolve my problems.

I say keep that lamp lit, and help people come here legally, so that they may earn a decent wage, pay taxes, and care for their families both here and in their native lands.

my grandfather did exactly that.

congrats. If my parents or grandparents were here illegally, it would have nothing to do with me, so I am not sure that this is a compelling point or argument. It is just and anecdote. And just because you have a right to be in America from a legal perspective doesn''t mean you are treated well or fairly.

Anyway, DF, I usually love and enjoy your mischieviousness (sp?) and pot stirring, but I don''t think that this has been a good choice of topics. I have personally not chosen to take the thread seriously, but I know that it has several people quite agitated and I hope you decide to chose your topics and battles in a more sensitive manner in the future.


Just my .02.

 

[Dancing Fire]

Date: 3/22/2009 1:44:54 AM
Author: trillionaire

Date: 3/21/2009 11:15:24 PM
Author: Dancing Fire

Date: 3/21/2009 10:45:01 PM
Author: KimberlyH
Give me your tired, your poor
Your huddled masses, yearning to breathe free.
The wretched refuse of your teeming shore.
Send these, the homeless, tempest – lost to me.
I lift my lamp beside the golden door.


Obviously there need to be some regulatory standards in place that are enforced regarding immigration, but isn''t the above what we as a country are supposed to stand for? Those who come here, work hard, support themselves and their families back in their own countries on meager earnings should not be looked upon as a black mark of our society, but as people who yearn to live the same dream our own ancestors came here for. Yes, they make take from our society but they also give back to us and to their own families in their own countries through their work.

I am a rule follower and a believer in doing what is right, but I''ve never been in so bad a position that I have had to even consider, let alone follow through with, leaving my home, my family, my life to move to another country so I could make a pittance to help resolve my problems.

I say keep that lamp lit, and help people come here legally, so that they may earn a decent wage, pay taxes, and care for their families both here and in their native lands.

my grandfather did exactly that.

congrats. If my parents or grandparents were here illegally, it would have nothing to do with me, so I am not sure that this is a compelling point or argument. It is just and anecdote. And just because you have a right to be in America from a legal perspective doesn''t mean you are treated well or fairly.


Just my .02.

my point is...that there''re legal ways to immigrate into this country.

 

[strmrdr]

Date: 3/21/2009 10:45:01 PM
Author: KimberlyH
Give me your tired, your poor

Your huddled masses, yearning to breathe free.

The wretched refuse of your teeming shore.

Send these, the homeless, tempest – lost to me.

I lift my lamp beside the golden door.



Obviously there need to be some regulatory standards in place that are enforced regarding immigration, but isn''t the above what we as a country are supposed to stand for? Those who come here, work hard, support themselves and their families back in their own countries on meager earnings should not be looked upon as a black mark of our society, but as people who yearn to live the same dream our own ancestors came here for. Yes, they make take from our society but they also give back to us and to their own families in their own countries through their work.


I am a rule follower and a believer in doing what is right, but I''ve never been in so bad a position that I have had to even consider, let alone follow through with, leaving my home, my family, my life to move to another country so I could make a pittance to help resolve my problems.


I say keep that lamp lit, and help people come here legally, so that they may earn a decent wage, pay taxes, and care for their families both here and in their native lands.

That is a huge problem for me, for every illegal someone who wants to come here legally is denied the opportunity.
It is punishing the law abiding and favoring the rule breakers which is not what my America is supposed to be about.

 

[trillionaire]

Date: 3/22/2009 2:19:10 AM
Author: Dancing Fire

Date: 3/22/2009 1:44:54 AM
Author: trillionaire

Date: 3/21/2009 11:15:24 PM
Author: Dancing Fire

Date: 3/21/2009 10:45:01 PM
Author: KimberlyH
Give me your tired, your poor
Your huddled masses, yearning to breathe free.
The wretched refuse of your teeming shore.
Send these, the homeless, tempest – lost to me.
I lift my lamp beside the golden door.


Obviously there need to be some regulatory standards in place that are enforced regarding immigration, but isn''t the above what we as a country are supposed to stand for? Those who come here, work hard, support themselves and their families back in their own countries on meager earnings should not be looked upon as a black mark of our society, but as people who yearn to live the same dream our own ancestors came here for. Yes, they make take from our society but they also give back to us and to their own families in their own countries through their work.

I am a rule follower and a believer in doing what is right, but I''ve never been in so bad a position that I have had to even consider, let alone follow through with, leaving my home, my family, my life to move to another country so I could make a pittance to help resolve my problems.

I say keep that lamp lit, and help people come here legally, so that they may earn a decent wage, pay taxes, and care for their families both here and in their native lands.

my grandfather did exactly that.

congrats. If my parents or grandparents were here illegally, it would have nothing to do with me, so I am not sure that this is a compelling point or argument. It is just and anecdote. And just because you have a right to be in America from a legal perspective doesn''t mean you are treated well or fairly.


Just my .02.

my point is...that there''re legal ways to immigrate into this country.

yes there are. not that there are equitable ways for people to immigrate here. There are quotas for countries, restrictions and a host of other issues. Either way, how your family got here has nothing to do with you specifically. If my ancestors got here willingly or on a slave ship has nothing to do with me.

 

[KimberlyH]

Date: 3/22/2009 4:37:53 AM
Author: strmrdr

Date: 3/21/2009 10:45:01 PM
Author: KimberlyH
Give me your tired, your poor

Your huddled masses, yearning to breathe free.

The wretched refuse of your teeming shore.

Send these, the homeless, tempest – lost to me.

I lift my lamp beside the golden door.



Obviously there need to be some regulatory standards in place that are enforced regarding immigration, but isn''t the above what we as a country are supposed to stand for? Those who come here, work hard, support themselves and their families back in their own countries on meager earnings should not be looked upon as a black mark of our society, but as people who yearn to live the same dream our own ancestors came here for. Yes, they make take from our society but they also give back to us and to their own families in their own countries through their work.


I am a rule follower and a believer in doing what is right, but I''ve never been in so bad a position that I have had to even consider, let alone follow through with, leaving my home, my family, my life to move to another country so I could make a pittance to help resolve my problems.


I say keep that lamp lit, and help people come here legally, so that they may earn a decent wage, pay taxes, and care for their families both here and in their native lands.

That is a huge problem for me, for every illegal someone who wants to come here legally is denied the opportunity.
It is punishing the law abiding and favoring the rule breakers which is not what my America is supposed to be about.

So the gov''t has now taken to counting up illegal immigrants on a regular basis and then subtracting that number those that were intended to be admitted legally? That''s news to me. As I said, I am a rule follower, and I''m lucky enough never to have been in a position where my only option seemed to be leaving all I know to enter another country illegally (which can be quite a dangerous and trying experience) to try to help myself and my family; since this is your America my guess is neither have you. We could put realistic systems into place that allow those who are here, working, living decent lives, a path to citizenship that involves paying retribution (at a reasonable rate based on salary) and would not rock our economic boat even further (illegal or not money must be spent on food, housing, clothing, etc., funds that would be lost if they are returned to their native homes) instead of spending millions upon millions of dollars building walls and fences and hunting these people down to remove them.

 

[strmrdr]

Date: 3/22/2009 10:40:24 AM
Author: KimberlyH
So the gov''t has now taken to counting up illegal immigrants on a regular basis and then subtracting that number those that were intended to be admitted legally? That''s news to me. As I said, I am a rule follower, and I''m lucky enough never to have been in a position where my only option seemed to be leaving all I know to enter another country illegally (which can be quite a dangerous and trying experience) to try to help myself and my family; since this is your America my guess is neither have you. We could put realistic systems into place that allow those who are here, working, living decent lives, a path to citizenship that involves paying retribution (at a reasonable rate based on salary) and would not rock our economic boat even further (illegal or not money must be spent on food, housing, clothing, etc., funds that would be lost if they are returned to their native homes) instead of spending millions upon millions of dollars building walls and fences and hunting these people down to remove them.

You bet they take it into consideration when setting up the legal openings.
Put up the fence then worry about the ones that are here.
I will not consider allowing any that are here to stay until the flow is stopped.
Until that time kick em all out and arrest those that employ them.

 

[vespergirl]

Date: 3/21/2009 10:45:01 PM
Author: KimberlyH
Give me your tired, your poor
Your huddled masses, yearning to breathe free.
The wretched refuse of your teeming shore.
Send these, the homeless, tempest – lost to me.
I lift my lamp beside the golden door.


Obviously there need to be some regulatory standards in place that are enforced regarding immigration, but isn''t the above what we as a country are supposed to stand for? Those who come here, work hard, support themselves and their families back in their own countries on meager earnings should not be looked upon as a black mark of our society, but as people who yearn to live the same dream our own ancestors came here for. Yes, they make take from our society but they also give back to us and to their own families in their own countries through their work.

I am a rule follower and a believer in doing what is right, but I''ve never been in so bad a position that I have had to even consider, let alone follow through with, leaving my home, my family, my life to move to another country so I could make a pittance to help resolve my problems.

I say keep that lamp lit, and help people come here legally, so that they may earn a decent wage, pay taxes, and care for their families both here and in their native lands.

Thank you for saying this. As a first generation American child of successful immigrant parents, I appreciate it that someone remembers that immigration is what this country was founded on.

I agree that the illegal immigration from Mexico is a problem, but honestly, the hard-working people who come here illegally don''t bother me as much as Americans who are born into a privileged country that won''t do menial work but are happy to collect welfare. I would rather have a country for of hardworking, industrious illegals than continue to pay entitlements to Americans who "choose" not to work at jobs that are "beneath" them.

 

[KimberlyH]

Date: 3/22/2009 11:02:09 AM
Author: strmrdr

Date: 3/22/2009 10:40:24 AM
Author: KimberlyH
So the gov''t has now taken to counting up illegal immigrants on a regular basis and then subtracting that number those that were intended to be admitted legally? That''s news to me. As I said, I am a rule follower, and I''m lucky enough never to have been in a position where my only option seemed to be leaving all I know to enter another country illegally (which can be quite a dangerous and trying experience) to try to help myself and my family; since this is your America my guess is neither have you. We could put realistic systems into place that allow those who are here, working, living decent lives, a path to citizenship that involves paying retribution (at a reasonable rate based on salary) and would not rock our economic boat even further (illegal or not money must be spent on food, housing, clothing, etc., funds that would be lost if they are returned to their native homes) instead of spending millions upon millions of dollars building walls and fences and hunting these people down to remove them.

You bet they take it into consideration when setting up the legal openings.
Put up the fence then worry about the ones that are here.
I will not consider allowing any that are here to stay until the flow is stopped.
Until that time kick em all out and arrest those that employ them.

There''s a big difference between taking something into consideration and "for every illegal someone who wants to come here legal is denied the opportunity." Fences don''t stop people, they are simply one more obstacle to be faced.

You clearly feel entitled to the privelges given to those have been born here, which isn''t necessarily a bad thing, my wish is that everyone who works hard and desires the same would be given the opportunity.

 

[KimberlyH]

Date: 3/22/2009 12:20:09 PM
Author: vespergirl

Date: 3/21/2009 10:45:01 PM
Author: KimberlyH
Give me your tired, your poor
Your huddled masses, yearning to breathe free.
The wretched refuse of your teeming shore.
Send these, the homeless, tempest – lost to me.
I lift my lamp beside the golden door.


Obviously there need to be some regulatory standards in place that are enforced regarding immigration, but isn''t the above what we as a country are supposed to stand for? Those who come here, work hard, support themselves and their families back in their own countries on meager earnings should not be looked upon as a black mark of our society, but as people who yearn to live the same dream our own ancestors came here for. Yes, they make take from our society but they also give back to us and to their own families in their own countries through their work.

I am a rule follower and a believer in doing what is right, but I''ve never been in so bad a position that I have had to even consider, let alone follow through with, leaving my home, my family, my life to move to another country so I could make a pittance to help resolve my problems.

I say keep that lamp lit, and help people come here legally, so that they may earn a decent wage, pay taxes, and care for their families both here and in their native lands.

Thank you for saying this. As a first generation American child of successful immigrant parents, I appreciate it that someone remembers that immigration is what this country was founded on.

I agree that the illegal immigration from Mexico is a problem, but honestly, the hard-working people who come here illegally don''t bother me as much as Americans who are born into a privileged country that won''t do menial work but are happy to collect welfare. I would rather have a country for of hardworking, industrious illegals than continue to pay entitlements to Americans who ''choose'' not to work at jobs that are ''beneath'' them.

Vesper, my great grandparents immigrated here from Canada and Ireland, both lovely places to live (Ireland wasn''t then, but it is now). I most likely would have been fine having been raised in either of those places (although I wouldn''t been born me as my parents wouldn''t have met) but many people aren''t as lucky as I am. They come from places that are horrific to exist (living isn''t a word that can be applied to people who survive in those places). This country isn''t perfect by a long shot, but I''d much prefer to live here than many other places in this world.

 

[strmrdr]

Date: 3/22/2009 12:27:44 PM
Author: KimberlyH

You clearly feel entitled to the privileges given to those have been born here, which isn't necessarily a bad thing, my wish is that everyone who works hard and desires the same would be given the opportunity.

Stay home and fix their own country instead of dragging wages and life style down here.
As an American who has had his identity used by illegals twice and still have to try and clean up after it I am not inclined to be supportive of illegals.
Fix their own country.
We had to fix ours in 1776 and at several points since then the most recent in 94 and a huge one is coming soon that may get very bloody.

Why don't we talk about the violent Mexican and S. American gangs that are killing people left and right in the US. Does M13 ring a bell?
It is not just hard working people who are coming across.