IMO...the U.S government need to start deporting illegal aliens...

[KimberlyH]

Date: 3/22/2009 12:38:18 PM
Author: strmrdr

Date: 3/22/2009 12:27:44 PM
Author: KimberlyH

You clearly feel entitled to the privileges given to those have been born here, which isn''t necessarily a bad thing, my wish is that everyone who works hard and desires the same would be given the opportunity.

Stay home and fix their own country instead of dragging wages and life style down here.
As an American who has had his identity used by illegals twice and still have to try and clean up after it I am not inclined to be supportive of illegals.
Fix their own country.
We had to fix ours in 1776 and at several points since then the most recent in 94 and a huge one is coming soon that may get very bloody.

Why don''t we talk about the violent Mexican and S. American gangs that are killing people left and right in the US. Does M13 ring a bell?
It is not just hard working people who are coming across.

I think I stated clearly in several posts that my thoughts only relate to those people who come here seeking a better life through honest, hard work. This coversation is clearly futile so I''ll leave it at this: I respect your right to feel the way you do, and I understand why you, based on what you have shared about yourself on PS, feel as you do about the subject. I only wish you could try to see it from a different perspective.

 

[starsapphire]

Date: 3/22/2009 12:38:18 PM
Author: strmrdr

Date: 3/22/2009 12:27:44 PM
Author: KimberlyH

You clearly feel entitled to the privileges given to those have been born here, which isn''t necessarily a bad thing, my wish is that everyone who works hard and desires the same would be given the opportunity.

Stay home and fix their own country instead of dragging wages and life style down here.
As an American who has had his identity used by illegals twice and still have to try and clean up after it I am not inclined to be supportive of illegals.
Fix their own country.
We had to fix ours in 1776 and at several points since then the most recent in 94 and a huge one is coming soon that may get very bloody.

Why don''t we talk about the violent Mexican and S. American gangs that are killing people left and right in the US. Does M13 ring a bell?
It is not just hard working people who are coming across.

How are they supposed to "fix" their own country?!? I am not trying to start anything here, but that is just about the silliest thing I''ve heard on here. Most of these people are so poor they don''t have a pot to piss in. Let alone guns and ammo to "fix" their country. Why don''t the citizens of Darfur, just "fix" their country????? The citizens don''t have the tools needed to do anything.

 

[coatimundi_org]

The United States is responsible for the current imbalance in immigration over our Southern borders.

The United States as a matter of official policy, engaged in destabilizing political and economic structures in South and Central America for the last 30 odd years.

Chile
El Salvador
Guatemala
Columbia
Nicaragua
Cuba
Haiti


The US engages in a pattern of destabilizing and oppressing these countries in order to force them to accommodate multinational corporations. When these conditions drive their economies into debt, and they are unable to sustain a standard of living for their people, they are then subjected to conditions set forth by the International Monetary Fund and the World Bank which further impoverishes them.

For example, last week, El Salvador, in a democratic election ended 20 years of ARENA party rule--a political system that was put in place by the Reagan administration. Their new president is aligned with the FMLN--a "terrorist" group that the US tried to eradicate with our tax dollars. The FMLN is, in fact, not a terrorist group. It's a popular resistance that rose up to protest the control of their country by a foreign power, the United States. Why do the people of El Salvador want to protect their country from an invader--ie the US?? Because they are a sovereign nation! Iraq, Afghanistan, Pakistan--it's the same thing. We are imposing our will on people who aren't asking for it. The US is a ROGUE nation.

If we destabilize an entire region--900 miles from our Southern border, and the wealth that once existed in those countries, now resides in ours, it's obvious what will happen next. They will come here.

Now, Mexico.

Mexico served as a temporary buffer, but the same change that has swept Central America has now arrived in Mexico as well.

The economies that the US have trashed are now asserting themselves and are not accepting Washington's dictates anymore. Now there is chaos as these countries struggle to stabilize their economies and provide for their populations. We can thank the United States for that, and now we see that the same dynamics are taking place here. Deregulation, concentrated wealth, widespread poverty, militarization, drug wars, rise of gangs and para-military groups--it's all the same.

We can take the skin color and the foreign language out of it. It's all about money.

Why are we blaming the powerless worker? Why are we blaming the people at the bottom of the food chain for the sins of the people at the top??

I say, go to the source, if we are really interested in solving the problem of "illegal immigration."

Let's look at the cause and not the symptom.

We have a lot of work to do.
Hold onto your hats, it's going to be a bumpy ride.

Deporting the far Right is a great place to start.

 

[Dancing Fire]

Date: 3/22/2009 10:40:24 AM
Author: KimberlyH

So the gov''t has now taken to counting up illegal immigrants on a regular basis and then subtracting that number those that were intended to be admitted legally? That''s news to me. As I said, I am a rule follower, and I''m lucky enough never to have been in a position where my only option seemed to be leaving all I know to enter another country illegally (which can be quite a dangerous and trying experience) to try to help myself and my family; since this is your America my guess is neither have you. We could put realistic systems into place that allow those who are here, working, living decent lives, a path to citizenship that involves paying retribution (at a reasonable rate based on salary) and would not rock our economic boat even further (illegal or not money must be spent on food, housing, clothing, etc., funds that would be lost if they are returned to their native homes) instead of spending millions upon millions of dollars building walls and fences and hunting these people down to remove them.

and... did you know these Illegals whom committed felonies (murders) are in our prison system that are costing us millions of dollars ?

 

[KimberlyH]

Date: 3/22/2009 2:29:55 PM
Author: Dancing Fire

Date: 3/22/2009 10:40:24 AM
Author: KimberlyH



So the gov't has now taken to counting up illegal immigrants on a regular basis and then subtracting that number those that were intended to be admitted legally? That's news to me. As I said, I am a rule follower, and I'm lucky enough never to have been in a position where my only option seemed to be leaving all I know to enter another country illegally (which can be quite a dangerous and trying experience) to try to help myself and my family; since this is your America my guess is neither have you. We could put realistic systems into place that allow those who are here, working, living decent lives, a path to citizenship that involves paying retribution (at a reasonable rate based on salary) and would not rock our economic boat even further (illegal or not money must be spent on food, housing, clothing, etc., funds that would be lost if they are returned to their native homes) instead of spending millions upon millions of dollars building walls and fences and hunting these people down to remove them.

and... did you know these Illegals whom committed felonies (murders) are in our prison system that are costing us millions of dollars ?

DF, I know you enjoy stirring the pot, and that is reason you start these threads. I find most of them amusing. You have ignored every question and every thought I have posed on the subject so I don't think responding to this will make a bit of difference. Reread what I've already written, you'll find my response to the above there.

 

[strmrdr]

Date: 3/22/2009 1:37:11 PM
Author: coatimundi

We have a lot of work to do.

It is not our job to rebuild them.
Seal the border allow orderly legal immigration and take care of our own.
I am tired of this empire crap and playing savior to the rest of the world.
Take care of our own and immediately cut all foreign aid to 0 is a good first step.

 

[LAJennifer]

Jamiel Shaw

 

[beebrisk]

Date: 3/22/2009 5:18:17 PM
Author: LAJennifer
Jamiel Shaw

...And Adrienne Shelly. RIP.

 

[beebrisk]

Date: 3/22/2009 1:37:11 PM
Author: coatimundi
The United States is responsible for the current imbalance in immigration over our Southern borders.



We have a lot of work to do.

Hold onto your hats, it''s going to be a bumpy ride.


Deporting the far Right is a great place to start.

Just as soon as the far left is sent on a slow boat to the nearest Communist, Socialist, Fascist or Totalitarian state krap hole we can find. After all, they''d feel SO much more comfortable there amongst their own!

 

[Dancing Fire]

Date: 3/22/2009 4:37:09 PM
Author: strmrdr

Date: 3/22/2009 1:37:11 PM
Author: coatimundi

We have a lot of work to do.

It is not our job to rebuild them.
Seal the border allow orderly legal immigration and take care of our own.
I am tired of this empire crap and playing savior to the rest of the world.
Take care of our own and immediately cut all foreign aid to 0 is a good first step.

Stormy...

 

[cara]

I''ll just respond to the foreign aid on this one... Some of that money is actually in our national interest to spend. It''s advertising, its circus and bread, its money that enhances our image in the world, stabilizes critical places in the world, saves lives. Its not just plain and simple charity. (Though as charity, *some* of it is highly effective from a lives/dollar perspective.) Maybe some foreign aid is misspent, maybe sometimes it is not properly advertised or seen in a beneficial light by others (which is in our national interest - to be seen as doing good works with our aid dollars), and in those cases we should reconsider how the money is spent and always carefully choose programs that are worth funding, but just stopping all foreign aid would not be a wise approach. The US will never be a perfect place, lacking in domestic issues, but that doesn''t mean we can turn inward. At the same times as we address domestic issues, we have to address international issues. We are a nation that exists in a larger world, trades with that world, communicates with that world, and we see ourselves as part of a larger humanity. Our success and security depend on looking outward as well as inward.

 

[miraclesrule]

I am Miracles'' roommate in DC right now, and she showed me this very interesting thread. I just want you allto know a couple of things that we just learned:
1) If you''re worried about who would take the low pay of immigrants, just look to our prison sytem, where inmates are paid $0.13 per hour to produce clothing for the likes of Eddie Bauer. Janice thought they only made license plates. Maybe they should train them to cut diamonds. BTW we have the highest number of incarcerated prisoners in the world, ahead of Russia and China!
2) Our foreign aid situation. We spend 87% of our security/foreign aid budget on the military. Foreign aid in the sense of schools, infrastructure, food aid, etc. is about 5% of the total. So if other countries aren''t falling to their knees in gratitude for our generosity, it''s because they are the recipients of more arms than aid.
3) You should also know that violence - international and domestic- costs us roughly 1.2 TRILLION dollars a year - this includes DOD, Veterans, DHS, HHS, International violence, interpersonal violence in this country. I think the cost of public services to immigrants (who, BTW have paid several billon into social security under numbers that will never be redeemed) amounts to maybe a couple of billion in one year. So if you want a high ROI , where do you think you would be better off spending your money - using scarce law enforcement resources to hunt down undocumented immigrants who are trying to make a living or reducing violence that we ourselves are responsible for creating, abroad and at home?

 

[miraclesrule]

Hi everyone, it's me!!!!! typing on some smallarse little laptop that I can't even type on...and the above, is my roommate "Liz". We have learned a lot in the last few days and tomorrow is the day that we lobby on the Hill. We wish you a conflict free day....and please know that we go tomorrow with our nations and all nations health and prosperity on our minds and in our hearts. Not only for Americans. but for all of humanity. ::::::insert peace sign emoticon here:::::::

 

[miraclesrule]

Date: 3/22/2009 5:35:31 PM
Author: beebrisk

Date: 3/22/2009 1:37:11 PM
Author: coatimundi
The United States is responsible for the current imbalance in immigration over our Southern borders.



We have a lot of work to do.

Hold onto your hats, it''s going to be a bumpy ride.


Deporting the far Right is a great place to start.

Just as soon as the far left is sent on a slow boat to the nearest Communist, Socialist, Fascist or Totalitarian state krap hole we can find. After all, they''d feel SO much more comfortable there amongst their own!

Oh for God''s sake - find me one such place! I can think of North Korea and Cuba and that''s about it. Communism and socialism are basically dead and all of you who keep harping on these obsolete "isms" have got to get a grip on what is going on in the real world. China - a country that is still ruled by a communist party - is our largest creditor - they hold more of our government debt than any other country in the world. If they decide they''d rather hold Euro denominated debt we are in deep, deep dodoo. And let me add right here that the majority of that debt was run up under none other than GW Bush and his cohorts. This is Liz, Janice''s roommate writing. Janice insists I get my own login, but I think the level of discussion here is just too basic. Sorry, but go get informed!

 

[zhuzhu]

Hi Liz,

You rock!
Come join us (as yourself) soon!

Zhuzhu

 

[Dancing Fire]

Date: 3/22/2009 11:17:15 PM
Author: miraclesrule

Oh for God''s sake - find me one such place! I can think of North Korea and Cuba and that''s about it. Communism and socialism are basically dead and all of you who keep harping on these obsolete ''isms'' have got to get a grip on what is going on in the real world. China - a country that is still ruled by a communist party - is our largest creditor - they hold more of our government debt than any other country in the world. If they decide they''d rather hold Euro denominated debt we are in deep, deep dodoo. And let me add right here that the majority of that debt was run up under none other than GW Bush and his cohorts. This is Liz, Janice''s roommate writing. Janice insists I get my own login, but I think the level of discussion here is just too basic. Sorry, but go get informed!

speaking of "debt"....how much has this new admin reduced in the past 60 days?

 

[zhuzhu]

Oh naughty DF, you really enjoy drama don''t you?

 

[Dancing Fire]

Date: 3/23/2009 1:31:21 AM
Author: zhuzhu
Oh naughty DF, you really enjoy drama don''t you?

i still love ya even though you''re on "the left"

 

[strmrdr]

Date: 3/23/2009 12:59:43 AM
Author: Dancing Fire

Date: 3/22/2009 11:17:15 PM

Author: miraclesrule



Oh for God''s sake - find me one such place! I can think of North Korea and Cuba and that''s about it. Communism and socialism are basically dead and all of you who keep harping on these obsolete ''isms'' have got to get a grip on what is going on in the real world. China - a country that is still ruled by a communist party - is our largest creditor - they hold more of our government debt than any other country in the world. If they decide they''d rather hold Euro denominated debt we are in deep, deep dodoo. And let me add right here that the majority of that debt was run up under none other than GW Bush and his cohorts. This is Liz, Janice''s roommate writing. Janice insists I get my own login, but I think the level of discussion here is just too basic. Sorry, but go get informed!

speaking of ''debt''....how much has this new admin reduced in the past 60 days?

The debt is just a distraction from the real problem which is the fed expanding the money supply and giving away free money to the fat cats to the tune of between 2 and 10 trillion dollars since jan first. (no one knows the real number as it is being done in secret)

 

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