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wbarnwell|1359655856|3368660 said:
JulieN said:
The Signature is nice but if you are going to pay that kind of premium, I'd rather see you work with Whiteflash, BGD, or GOG, or JA. The generic heads on BN settings could use an upgrade...
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Sorry, would you write some of those out? I got JA - James Allen, but not the others. Thanks so much.
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BGD- Brian Gavin Diamonds
Whiteflash= WF
GOG= Good Old Gold
 
bastetcat|1359655874|3368661 said:
Regarding the stones from BN in the other thread. I gave a quick glance at the numbers, and they surely have potential. Run them through the HCA tool to be sure.

The thing I don't like about BN is it'd be nice to have idealscope images for the stones, which you can't ever get from them. I can't tell if the images on their peformance report are computer generated or not and don't have much time to research it right now.

You can (and should) get idealscope images to post here on potential stones from James Allen or IDJewelry.

Whiteflash, Good Old Gold, Brian Gavin are already going to have these images posted. You are paying extra for that, and for a lot of other legwork that has been done for you in terms of cut quality and performance.

A word to the wise. You want an ideal cut stone, without paying the premium for H/A symmetry and that is fair enough and certainly can be done, but it means you are going to have to do more legwork than if you went with a branded stone that's already pretty much guaranteeing ideal cut specs so be prepared to crunch a lot more numbers if you go this route.
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Haha, legwork I can do. I'm not going to need this ring until August or September.

As for crunching numbers. I've got that cheat sheet for Depth, Angles, etc. as well as the HCA tool. What else do I need to be considering?
 
wbarnwell|1359656208|3368668 said:
bastetcat|1359655874|3368661 said:
Regarding the stones from BN in the other thread. I gave a quick glance at the numbers, and they surely have potential. Run them through the HCA tool to be sure.

The thing I don't like about BN is it'd be nice to have idealscope images for the stones, which you can't ever get from them. I can't tell if the images on their peformance report are computer generated or not and don't have much time to research it right now.

You can (and should) get idealscope images to post here on potential stones from James Allen or IDJewelry.

Whiteflash, Good Old Gold, Brian Gavin are already going to have these images posted. You are paying extra for that, and for a lot of other legwork that has been done for you in terms of cut quality and performance.

A word to the wise. You want an ideal cut stone, without paying the premium for H/A symmetry and that is fair enough and certainly can be done, but it means you are going to have to do more legwork than if you went with a branded stone that's already pretty much guaranteeing ideal cut specs so be prepared to crunch a lot more numbers if you go this route.
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Haha, legwork I can do. I'm not going to need this ring until August or September.

As for crunching numbers. I've got that cheat sheet for Depth, Angles, etc. as well as the HCA tool. What else do I need to be considering?
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you've got some time then, unless you are planning on buying a stone now. I'd keep up to date on threads, see what stones people pick. Maybe read through some other threads to see what gets selected and why. GOG has some FABULOUS tutorial and videos out there on their website and youtube. Learn how all the angles combine to make good proportions and what to look for.

http://www.goodoldgold.com/4Cs/

http://www.goodoldgold.com/ShapeTutorials/RoundIdealCutDiamonds/

http://www.goodoldgold.com/Diamond_Videos/
 
^^ Great, thank you.
 
Ok, if the goal is to find the closest thing to a H/A diamond without paying for the premium, then is BN even worth messing with? I see they have the GCAL certificate, but the consensus around here seems to be not to settle for anything without an idealscope.

Signature Ideal, .90 VS2 G 1.4 HCA
http://www.bluenile.com/round-diamo...ty_LD03110598?keyword_search_value=ld03110598

as far as I know, this diamond checks out...but that is with the limited knowledge that I have so far, like HCA, depth, table, crown and pav angle etc. How would I even determine that something is near H/A quality?
 
No, BN Signature is supposed to be H&A so there is a premium for that. Run some price comparisons with other vendors.
 
JulieN said:
No, BN Signature is supposed to be H&A so there is a premium for that.
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Ok, but as far as I can tell, their Signature is less expensive than some of the other site's Signatures. Of course, all things being equal I see what you would advise me to use another site that has more to offer up front, such as the idealscope.
 
You're right. Nice find.
 
JulieN|1359667980|3368927 said:
You're right. Nice find.
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Alright, so I'm on the right track. This is a good thing.

I also just got off the phone with I.D. Jewelry, and the gentlemen I spoke with, Yeukitel sounded very optimistic that we could work within my budget and get me exactly what I wanted. Tomorrow I should have something from him to look at. Man, this is fun.
 
This is what he sent me this morning...


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Hard to see too much on the GIA report as far as measurements go, but its a .90 H VS2 XXX
 
it looks good from the images but I can't read the specs from the report and it would be nice to see those too if you can post them.

mm measurement

Table size: (%)
depth (%)
crown angle
pavilion angle

I think even if you can get the report number from the stone, there may be a way to look it up online.
 
bastetcat|1359736376|3369624 said:
it looks good from the images but I can't read the specs from the report and it would be nice to see those too if you can post them.

mm measurement

Table size: (%)
depth (%)
crown angle
pavilion angle

I think even if you can get the report number from the stone, there may be a way to look it up online.
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Got it:

Depth: 62.4%
Table: 55%
Crown Angle: 34.5%
Pav Angle: 40.8

Medium to Slightly Thick

It scores a 1.4 HCA

I hate not being able to see these stones in person, though.
 
wbarnwell|1359753064|3369915 said:
bastetcat|1359736376|3369624 said:
it looks good from the images but I can't read the specs from the report and it would be nice to see those too if you can post them.

mm measurement

Table size: (%)
depth (%)
crown angle
pavilion angle

I think even if you can get the report number from the stone, there may be a way to look it up online.
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Got it:

Depth: 62.4%
Table: 55%
Crown Angle: 34.5%
Pav Angle: 40.8

Medium to Slightly Thick


It scores a 1.4 HCA

I hate not being able to see these stones in person, though.
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nice.

I forgot to ask what the carat weight was. If it's around .9c then it ought to measure right around 6.25 or so. I don't think you're going to be disappointed.

I'm trying to find some of the charts for idealscope images compared to the diamonds they represent, so you'll get a better feel for what you are seeing and how it translates to real life.

https://www.pricescope.com/tools/ideal-scope
 
All good.
Stop worrying and whip out the card ::)

ETA: Age of report? Unless it's really old...
ETA: failed submit..?
 
Flippin' gorgeous.
 
Alright, now I just need to find the price. All that being said, it seems that you are all telling me that this is a diamond worth buying. That sounds good. It is most definitely going to be in the running.
 
OK, here's a direct example of ideascope image versus what you will see IRL.

Here's a chart of diamond angles and assciated ASET images. I thin for the sake of what we're looking at here, just replace the color areas and imagine black. White is bad. Lots of green is bad. We want a good amount of red.

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This is the original vendor image of the stone in the halo ring you see in my avatar, plus the idealscope image I took of it when it was loose and a glamor shot I took of it. :cheeky:



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Yum, that last one looks great.
 
Here are some pictures of the stone that he picked out in the setting we discussed...

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Still waiting on a couple of local jewelers to see what they can offer...as well as getting my finances in order
 
Would love to know what ya'll think!
 
go for it.
 
JulieN|1360094634|3372960 said:
go for it.
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So, so close to making a decision!
 
It's going to be lovely!
 
Yes, it will be! Although, I am interested to see if the local retailers I have been dealing with can stay competitive. I should know by Friday.
 
Interestingly enough, one local vendor has been able to beat ID in price, which was already better than everywhere else that I have looked. Only thing to wait on is the GIA cert, which I should have tomorrow. Crossing my fingers that their diamond is what I am hoping it will be...will be sure to throw it up here whenever I see it.

edit: they are having the diamond shipped in from their cutter in Israel, so I won't actually see the diamond until next week. But should have the cert by tomorrow.
 
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