Is this cut near super ideal? Worthy for an exchange?

[Dididudu16]

Hello all again,

I have recently upgraded with BN and I’ve been looking on blue Nile every day since I’m still within the 30 day exchange period. It’s not that I’m not happy with my 60/60 diamond, I just want to see if I could possibly find another diamond that’s closer to the super ideal specs. Since this is gonna be my last upgrade I’m still super nervous about it. So I’m here again asking for help. @diamondseeker2006 @Karl_K @flyingpig @LLJsmom What do you all think of this diamond? Is this worthy for an exchange? And how much visual difference will there be? I don’t mind a slightly smaller size as long as it’s a better cut which will yield more scintillation and fire under more lighting conditions. I’ve learned that a steeper crown will produce more fire however this one is only 34 so I don’t know if it will have the effect of a super ideal. And if the cut is better should I be concerned about inclusions (feather and the seemingly black crystal under table)? BN doesn’t provide asset image so this is all the info I have. Any advice is appreciated!

Here is the link for the new diamond with HCA 0.8 (Everything excellent except spread)

Petite Nouveau Six-Prong Solitaire Engagement Ring in Platinum | Blue Nile

Elegant in simplicity, this petite nouveau solitaire engagement ring is crafted in platinum to create a classic frame for your center diamond.

www.bluenile.com

And this is the link to the 60/60 diamond I currently have

Petite Nouveau Six-Prong Solitaire Engagement Ring in Platinum | Blue Nile

Elegant in simplicity, this petite nouveau solitaire engagement ring is crafted in platinum to create a classic frame for your center diamond.

www.bluenile.com

HCA 1.2 (all excellent except scintillation)



Thank you all very much again!!! I truly appreciate it!!!

 

[lovedogs]

I really like the new one!!! I would enter the info on diamdb.com to visually see the difference in size, but I much prefer the new one with the thicker arrows.

 

[Dididudu16]

I really like the new one!!! I would enter the info on diamdb.com to visually see the difference in size, but I much prefer the new one with the thicker arrows.

@lovedogs Thank you so much for your response! I don’t think there is much difference in size after seeing it on diamdb.com so that wouldn’t bother me. Do you think the new one would have more fire/scintillation? And in turn will I loose brilliance?

 

[Dididudu16]

Also even with a HCA of 0.8, I’ve noticed that the new diamond is slightly out of the AGS0 grade, whereas the original was within AGS0. Would that mean the new one is not as good as the 60/60?

 

[oncrutchesrightnow]

I like the new one better but am not an expert at the angles like other people here.

 

[Karl_K]

It would get 0 from the lab more than likely.
Those areas are based on the recommended cutting combination not the combos that can get the grade.
They vary slightly.

 

[LLJsmom]

It think the look will be different. 60/60 has more white light return. You will likely see more contest with this one. I think it’s easy to choose because they will look different, and it’s just what you prefer. The new one is a super ideal type, if that is what you want.

 

[Dididudu16]

It would get 0 from the lab more than likely.
Those areas are based on the recommended cutting combination not the combos that can get the grade.
They vary slightly.

@ Karl_K Thank you! So do you think there will be slightly more fire/scintillation? Could you please also help me understand what might be the cons of the new combo? And what about the inclusions? Especially the feather and black/grey crystal under table, is that concerning?

It think the look will be different. 60/60 has more white light return. You will likely see more contest with this one. I think it’s easy to choose because they will look different, and it’s just what you prefer. The new one is a super ideal type, if that is what you want.

@LLJsmom Thank you! I’ve yet to see a super ideal in person that’s why I’m really tempted to exchange and see how I feel about both. However BN won’t hold this 60/60 once I return, they said it goes straight back to the vendor... so if by any chance I don’t like the new one, I might not be able to get this one back. The other concern I have is regarding the inclusions, I’m not sure if the black/grey crystal under table is small enough for me not to see it even staring super close, or else it might bother me. I only have two more days to make that decision... and I’m so indecisive because I don’t have them side by side to compare...

 

[lovedogs]

@ Karl_K Thank you! So do you think there will be slightly more fire/scintillation? Could you please also help me understand what might be the cons of the new combo? And what about the inclusions? Especially the feather and black/grey crystal under table, is that concerning?



@LLJsmom Thank you! I’ve yet to see a super ideal in person that’s why I’m really tempted to exchange and see how I feel about both. However BN won’t hold this 60/60 once I return, they said it goes straight back to the vendor... so if by any chance I don’t like the new one, I might not be able to get this one back. The other concern I have is regarding the inclusions, I’m not sure if the black/grey crystal under table is small enough for me not to see it even staring super close, or else it might bother me. I only have two more days to make that decision... and I’m so indecisive because I don’t have them side by side to compare...

Can you buy this new one and then return the one you dont prefer between them? Comparing both IRL would be an ideal situation

 

[Karl_K]

Ask them to have someone eyeball the inclusions for you.
They are going to have a different look.
The pro isnt better anything as much as what some people more balanced how often in different light conditions it shows other than brilliance and debatable more balanced look face up static..
Scintillation is could be a little more due to the higher crown but that can be offset by other things, realisticaly neither will have inferior scintillation.

 

[daisygrl]

@ Karl_K Thank you! So do you think there will be slightly more fire/scintillation? Could you please also help me understand what might be the cons of the new combo? And what about the inclusions? Especially the feather and black/grey crystal under table, is that concerning?



@LLJsmom Thank you! I’ve yet to see a super ideal in person that’s why I’m really tempted to exchange and see how I feel about both. However BN won’t hold this 60/60 once I return, they said it goes straight back to the vendor... so if by any chance I don’t like the new one, I might not be able to get this one back. The other concern I have is regarding the inclusions, I’m not sure if the black/grey crystal under table is small enough for me not to see it even staring super close, or else it might bother me. I only have two more days to make that decision... and I’m so indecisive because I don’t have them side by side to compare...

If you want a super ideal stone, you need to pay for a super ideal stone - it would have a perfect aset, IS, and symmetry (H&A). The one you posted might not be in a super-ideal range (performance-wise, not going by just numbers as a report itself does not mean much). Have you looked at their Astor collection? (might not be quite as super-ideal but should look nice.) Or you can purchase just the stone (without being set) and do your own work regarding the ASET and H&A. Then you can post it here to ask people what they think of the images.)

 

[LLJsmom]

@ Karl_K Thank you! So do you think there will be slightly more fire/scintillation? Could you please also help me understand what might be the cons of the new combo? And what about the inclusions? Especially the feather and black/grey crystal under table, is that concerning?



@LLJsmom Thank you! I’ve yet to see a super ideal in person that’s why I’m really tempted to exchange and see how I feel about both. However BN won’t hold this 60/60 once I return, they said it goes straight back to the vendor... so if by any chance I don’t like the new one, I might not be able to get this one back. The other concern I have is regarding the inclusions, I’m not sure if the black/grey crystal under table is small enough for me not to see it even staring super close, or else it might bother me. I only have two more days to make that decision... and I’m so indecisive because I don’t have them side by side to compare...

Is there a way you can buy both. Even just temporarily, and be at peace after you compare.

 

[Dididudu16]

If you want a super ideal stone, you need to pay for a super ideal stone - it would have a perfect aset, IS, and symmetry (H&A). The one you posted might not be in a super-ideal range (performance-wise, not going by just numbers as a report itself does not mean much).

@daisygrl Since I’m stuck with BN I’m just trying to find one that’s closest to super ideal specs. Even though I know it might not be comparable to a ACA. As for their Astor collection there is only one available that’s over 2ct, there hasn’t been any updates for a couple of months that’s why I decided to move on instead of waiting for an Astor in the first place.. :’(

Is there a way you can buy both. Even just temporarily, and be at peace after you compare.

Can you buy this new one and then return the one you dont prefer between them? Comparing both IRL would be an ideal situation

I thought about this option but there is not enough time before my 30days exchange period is up. Since I upgraded there is no return option. So if I were to keep the 60/60 after comparing, then no issues because I can just return the new purchase within 30 days. However if I want to keep the new ring, by the time I receive it it’s gonna pass my exchange period for the 60/60 and I’m gonna be stuck with it regardless. If like Karl said there is only slight difference and Daisygrl that it might not be considered super ideal (performance wise) solely based on those numbers, I’m still debating if it’s worthy enough for me to through all the trouble.

 

[headlight]

I prefer the profile of the new option. It’s just a prettier look... I don’t like the flat top, spready appearance of a 60-60.
I love the small table of the one, as well.
I know it’s scary to think you may miss out on the current one by sending it back, but perhaps it’s not meant to be the one or you wouldn’t be looking to exchange.

 

[Dididudu16]

Tmr is the last day for me to exchange if I do want the new diamond. I’m SO tempted to make the exchange because it sounds like I might like the new one more with it being closer to a super ideal. However I just spoke with BN and was told after the exchange even if I don’t like it for whatever reason I’ll pretty much be stuck with it since It’ll be well pass 30 days exchange period from original ship date. For me that’s gonna be at least the next 10 years if not more to even think about getting a new one. And I’m just so nervous! I keep on thinking what if I don’t like the new one? (It’s just so hard to tell without it in hand.!) What if the black inclusion under table is eye visible and bothers me? (BN told me since it’s VS1 it’s 100 eye clean). Could someone please shed some more lights on me? I’m just so torn! :’(

Thank you all again!

 

[Kim N]

I think the fact that you've been second-guessing the 60/60 means you might always second-guess it. If it were me, I would return the 60/60 while you can. The inclusion on the new stone looks super tiny; I doubt you'll see it with the naked eye. I love the fat arrows, small table, and higher crown height on the new stone. I think you'll be pleased with the fire and scintillation on it.

 

[daisygrl]

I think the fact that you've been second-guessing the 60/60 means you might always second-guess it. If it were me, I would return the 60/60 while you can. The inclusion on the new stone looks super tiny; I doubt you'll see it with the naked eye. I love the fat arrows, small table, and higher crown height on the new stone. I think you'll be pleased with the fire and scintillation on it.

Higher crown? The crown on the new stone is 34. Not high at all. I wonder if you might be looking at a different stone.

OP, this is the decision only you can make. You have received some great suggestions from people who understand diamonds. I thought that a new diamond=another 30-day return policy but I guess it is 30-day return policy including exchange? Go over everything people on here wrote, look at your 60/60, and see how you feel.

You keep mentioning a super-ideal. Have you tried going Astor route - to get closer to one? Just a suggestion.

 

[Dididudu16]

Higher crown? The crown on the new stone is 34. Not high at all. I wonder if you might be looking at a different stone.

OP, this is the decision only you can make. You have received some great suggestions from people who understand diamonds. I thought that a new diamond=another 30-day return policy but I guess it is 30-day return policy including exchange? Go over everything people on here wrote, look at your 60/60, and see how you feel.

You keep mentioning a super-ideal. Have you tried going Astor route - to get closer to one? Just a suggestion.

@daisygrl excuse my terminology here, I meant higher crown height, the 60/60 is 14 and this new one is 15.5.
My original 1.08 was their Blue signature which now is the Astor collection, please see attached certificate.



They have super limited supply within Astor that’s over 2ct, currently only one that’s a G color. Trust me I’ve waited a LONG time for their Astor, either smaller size or lower color. That’s why I moved along trying to fish a good one amongst their regular ideals. Honestly I think my original was more fiery than this 60/60 from memory so I dk if the new one I’m looking at will be similar to the 1.08? I felt really good about the 1.08 at the time knowing it’s the “best” cut (of course until I’ve learned about ACA!), so I don’t know if it played mind game with me thinking it’s more fiery...

 

[daisygrl]

@daisygrl excuse my terminology here, I meant higher crown height, the 60/60 is 14 and this new one is 15.5.
My original 1.08 was their Blue signature which now is the Astor collection, please see attached certificate.



They have super limited supply within Astor that’s over 2ct, currently only one that’s a G color. Trust me I’ve waited a LONG time for their Astor, either smaller size or lower color. That’s why I moved along trying to fish a good one amongst their regular ideals. Honestly I think my original was more fiery than this 60/60 from memory so I dk if the new one I’m looking at will be similar to the 1.08? I felt really good about the 1.08 at the time knowing it’s the “best” cut (of course until I’ve learned about ACA!), so I don’t know if it played mind game with me thinking it’s more fiery...

It is possible that your original stone was more fiery since it has a higher crown. 60/60 tends to exhibit more brightness rather than fire. 60/60 is something that you either love or not.

Another thought, is it possible for you to sell your original diamond on loupetroop, which would free you from being limited and tied to BN, and shop elsewhere with more flexible upgrade policy? For the next upgrade with BN, you will have to spend twice the amount of the current 60/60 stone, which, for many, might be the last upgrade (our taste, including stones, often changes, so I am not sure how you feel about that.)

 

[Dididudu16]

It is possible that your original stone was more fiery since it has a higher crown. 60/60 tends to exhibit more brightness rather than fire. 60/60 is something that you either love or not.

Another thought, is it possible for you to sell your original diamond on loupetroop, which would free you from being limited and tied to BN, and shop elsewhere with more flexible upgrade policy? For the next upgrade with BN, you will have to spend twice the amount of the current 60/60 stone, which, for many, might be the last upgrade (our taste, including stones, often changes, so I am not sure how you feel about that.)

@daisygrl Well I have entered into an upgrade agreement with BN and there is no way back out. I was told I don’t get to have my old diamond back under any circumstances and there is no return only exchange after upgrade :’( I wish I had found this forum sooner...
You brought up a point I never thought about but I completely agree. All I know is that this will be the last upgrade I’ll have with BN. When the next upgrade comes along x years later, I’ll either sell what I have or just go straight to a super ideal vendor.
BN told me the black crystal under table decreases the value of the diamond, so if I were to get this one and let’s say try to sell on Loupetroop, will I have issues? I don’t hate the 60/60 but I don’t know if I’m in love with it either. I just don’t have enough knowledge to understand correlations between different combos and what kind of visual effect there will be. I truly appreciate all the feedbacks all the experts have given me but I’m just so indecisive especially without both in hand to compare..

 

[elizat]

I think that you are in a spot where it's hard to make a decision because you don't have both in hand. So, what exactly do you like about the 60-60? What don't you like? What do you think you like about the more "super ideal" style? Will your diamond going dark bother you in direct sun or bright light? That's something to consider.

 

[munchee]

@Nancy Z I just want to say that your 1ct D old diamond numbers are what we usually see in a super ideal diamond.
I thought you said you like this 60/60 diamond when you got it?
@elizat ask a good question, are second doubting this because everyone here told you to get a super ideal diamond when you’re exchanging this diamond (incl myself). Are you doubting it because others opinions or do you really found something you don’t like in this diamond?

 

[AnastasiaBeaverhausen]

Sorry you're so boxed in with your choices. At this point, maybe look at it from a resale value? As in which stone would be easier to sell if and when you choose to upgrade again?

 

[Dididudu16]

I think that you are in a spot where it's hard to make a decision because you don't have both in hand. So, what exactly do you like about the 60-60? What don't you like? What do you think you like about the more "super ideal" style? Will your diamond going dark bother you in direct sun or bright light? That's something to consider.

@elizat Thank you for your response. I don’t like the flatter profile view. I’ve been looking at all the other upgrades people had with ACA or other super ideals, there are so much more rainbows in their pics. Mine just looks very white like it’s not a ‘dancing’ diamond. I see most rainbow colors on a cloudy day and when looking under direct sunlight, there are blinding pin fires but not flashes. I did notice it doesn’t go dark under any lighting just always so white. I just feel like it might get boring after a while... I don’t remember my 1.08 going dark in certain lighting or maybe just because I never really paid attention..

 

[Dididudu16]

@Nancy Z I just want to say that your 1ct D old diamond numbers are what we usually see in a super ideal diamond.
I thought you said you like this 60/60 diamond when you got it?
@elizat ask a good question, are second doubting this because everyone here told you to get a super ideal diamond when you’re exchanging this diamond (incl myself). Are you doubting it because others opinions or do you really found something you don’t like in this diamond?

@munchee it was very big and white. I guess I was more fascinated with the size when I first got it. I definitely appreciate all the feedbacks from everyone but at that time I was already tied up with BN and this 60/60 was the best I could find at that time since another one I originally wanted was sold after I wanted to upgrade... it was a pretty horrible experience with BN and I just want to get it over with. I feel like I’m just so restricted with them especially once pass 30 days even if I don’t like this diamond I’ll be stuck with it. They don’t even give me a chance to just check it out. Only because I’ve read lots of comments from experts and all of you with experience, I want to work harder on my way to a super ideal. This new diamond just came out two days ago and I spotted it immediately, that’s why I’m only contemplating about exchange so close to my 30 days exchange period.

 

[Yimmers]

You are not happy with the 60/60. It doesn't have the look nor the scintillation of your old diamond. I think if you keep it you're going to feel like you are settling, especially since this is it.

I would take the leap, scary as it may seem. It's a VS1, so the inclusion should not be visible. Remember, the photos on the computer are SUPER blown up.

 

[Dididudu16]

Sorry you're so boxed in with your choices. At this point, maybe look at it from a resale value? As in which stone would be easier to sell if and when you choose to upgrade again?

@AnastasiaBeaverhausen Thank you for your response. I’m definitely no expert. The 60/60 is 2.53 E vs2 and the new one is 2.45 e vs1 so technically the new one is slightly higher quality but the 60/60 is over 2.5ct mark. But BN told me that the black inclusion under table in 2.45 decreases the value of the diamond, it also has a feather. And that’s main factor been bothering me..

 

[elizat]

I think you have your answer then. You do not like the way that the style of the stone performs so I would try to find something that is going to be more to your liking. I am not good with modern round cuts, so I cannot give any advice on a stone, but others can weigh in.

 

[elizat]

@AnastasiaBeaverhausen Thank you for your response. I’m definitely no expert. The 60/60 is 2.53 E vs2 and the new one is 2.45 e vs1 so technically the new one is slightly higher quality but the 60/60 is over 2.5ct mark. But BN told me that the black inclusion under table in 2.45 decreases the value of the diamond, it also has a feather. And that’s main factor been bothering me..

I don't think you're going to see that in a VS1 graded stone. I could be wrong, but if they are telling you that it is not visible with the naked eye, and it's a VS1 that is GIA graded, I would tend to believe them. I would just ask them what their definition of eye clean is, I. E. How far away from the stone? 6 in? A foot?

 

[Yimmers]

BTW - if you were totally happy with the 60/60, I doubt you'd still be looking everyday on BN. Think about why you are still looking.