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Is this cut near super ideal? Worthy for an exchange?

Nancy Z said:
@elizat Thank you for your response. I don’t like the flatter profile view. I’ve been looking at all the other upgrades people had with ACA or other super ideals, there are so much more rainbows in their pics. Mine just looks very white like it’s not a ‘dancing’ diamond. I see most rainbow colors on a cloudy day and when looking under direct sunlight, there are blinding pin fires but not flashes. I did notice it doesn’t go dark under any lighting just always so white. I just feel like it might get boring after a while... I don’t remember my 1.08 going dark in certain lighting or maybe just because I never really paid attention..
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Nancy Z said:
@munchee it was very big and white. I guess I was more fascinated with the size when I first got it. I definitely appreciate all the feedbacks from everyone but at that time I was already tied up with BN and this 60/60 was the best I could find at that time since another one I originally wanted was sold after I wanted to upgrade... it was a pretty horrible experience with BN and I just want to get it over with. I feel like I’m just so restricted with them especially once pass 30 days even if I don’t like this diamond I’ll be stuck with it. They don’t even give me a chance to just check it out. Only because I’ve read lots of comments from experts and all of you with experience, I want to work harder on my way to a super ideal. This new diamond just came out two days ago and I spotted it immediately, that’s why I’m only contemplating about exchange so close to my 30 days exchange period.
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Ok. so I didn't know you didn't even LIKE your existing diamond. So like @Yimmers said, why are you settling? The worst that can happen is you don't like the new one either. You didn't like the old one. You're not any worse off. At least you have the chance of liking the new one MORE. And you do know that you like that "type" of cut cause your old 1 ct stone was more fiery and colorful. That's at least the type of stone the other one you are considering is.

If it were me, I would be sending this one off, knowing that I already don't like it. Now the obvious question is how would you handle this situation? And I wouldn't worry about a black inclusion under the table of a VS1. I've had a stone like that, black inclusion under the table for a VS1, GIA, and I couldn't see it with the naked eye. I had to look pretty hard for it under a loupe. And it's stupid for them to say a "feather" make it less valuable. If you compare any non-internally flawless stone to any internally flawless stone, any inclusion or imperfection will make a stone less valuable. That's like saying inclusions in a VS1 make it less valuable than a VVS1. DUH... That's why I'm not PAYING for a VVS1. It's cheaper genius. (I don't mean you. I mean the BN rep.)
 
elizat said:
I don't think you're going to see that in a VS1 graded stone. I could be wrong, but if they are telling you that it is not visible with the naked eye, and it's a VS1 that is GIA graded, I would tend to believe them. I would just ask them what their definition of eye clean is, I. E. How far away from the stone? 6 in? A foot?
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They told me 6 inches
 
@LLJsmom I think OP dilema is because she knew she’ll sell this 2.45 E VS1 when she wants to get future upgrades. And with black inclusion under table and feather the value of this diamond might be worse than 2.5 VS2. She might get more money back with the VS2 than the VS1 due to black inclusion.
 
Nancy Z said:
They told me 6 inches
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I would still trust the GIA. VS1. I would take the chance. But, it's you that needs to be comfortable. But seriously, can you handle looking at your 60/60 stone day in and day out thinking, "I don't really like this stone"? I know I couldn't.
 
munchee said:
@LLJsmom I think OP dilema is because she knew she’ll sell this 2.45 E VS1 when she wants to get future upgrades. And with black inclusion under table and feather the value of this diamond might be worse than 2.5 VS2. She might get more money back with the VS2 than the VS1 due to black inclusion.
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And I still think that buyers will let a black inclusion and a feather go if its a GIA VS1. Plenty of people will buy clarity lower than VS1. Most buyers will go with the cert. That's a gamble I'm willing to take. I can't see myself buying a stone, and choosing attributes that make it easy to resell. And I think a sparkly fiery stone will be easier to sell than a flat white stone. Again, my opinion only.
 
munchee said:
@LLJsmom I think OP dilema is because she knew she’ll sell this 2.45 E VS1 when she wants to get future upgrades. And with black inclusion under table and feather the value of this diamond might be worse than 2.5 VS2. She might get more money back with the VS2 than the VS1 due to black inclusion.
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@Nancy Z , one more question. Why are you even upgrading if you want to sell? Wouldn't you lose less if you just sell the original diamond? Did I miss part of the story? I read your original post. Is there a way you can undo the upgrade?
 
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LLJsmom said:
And I still think that buyers will let a black inclusion and a feather go if its a GIA VS1. Plenty of people will buy clarity lower than VS1. Most buyers will go with the cert. That's a gamble I'm willing to take. I can't see myself buying a stone, and choosing attributes that make it easy to resell. And I think a sparkly fiery stone will be easier to sell than a flat white stone. Again, my opinion only.
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I also think there's a bigger pool of buyers for H&As as opposed to 60/60?
 
LLJsmom said:
And I still think that buyers will let a black inclusion and a feather go if its a GIA VS1. Plenty of people will buy clarity lower than VS1. Most buyers will go with the cert. Just IMHO.
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^ This.

The VS1 and feather isn't going to deter the average purchaser. I also don't think she's 100% certain she would sell. Since that is the case, I would trade it in and get a stone I may be happier with b/c I will have to live with it for XXX years.
 
LLJsmom said:
@Nancy Z , one more question. Why are you even upgrading if you want to sell? Wouldn't you lose less if you just sell the original diamond? Did I miss part of the story? I read your original post. Is there a way you can undo the upgrade?
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I’m not planning to sell, that’s only if x years later I want to get a ACA for example since I won’t upgrade again with BN and if I’ll be under budget constraints. And if I don’t want to keep two diamonds by the time I upgrade, then I might consider selling through third party then.
 
Yimmers said:
^ This.

The VS1 and feather isn't going to deter the average purchaser. I also don't think she's 100% certain she would sell. Since that is the case, I would trade it in and get a stone I may be happier with b/c I will have to live with it for XXX years.
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So if @Nancy Z likes it, she may not sell it. Then isn't that a gamble worth taking, rather than settling for a stone she doesn't like and figuring out a way to make selling that stone easier. Am I missing something?
 
LLJsmom said:
So if @Nancy Z likes it, she may not sell it. Then isn't that a gamble worth taking, rather than settling for a stone she doesn't like and figuring out a way to make selling that stone easier. Am I missing something?
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@LLJsmom i love your logic and it completely makes sense! It may sound stupid but I have one more question for you, how close is the 2.45 to a super ideal?
 
Nancy Z said:
I’m not planning to sell, that’s only if x years later I want to get a ACA for example since I won’t upgrade again with BN and if I’ll be under budget constraints. And if I don’t want to keep two diamonds by the time I upgrade, then I might consider selling through third party then.
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Ok, so you're not planning on reselling. So then why even worry about the inclusions on a VS1?

So let's just say you have super eagle eyes, and you think you might see the inclusion if you hold it up to your nose, teeeeeny, tinny little black inclusion. Or you look at it from a normal distance, and you see a sparkly stone that is beautiful, that you actually LIKE. Would rather look at this stone, or a stone from normal viewing distance that you DON'T like, but gosh, at least there are no black inclusions you can see?
 
I'd step back from the "what ifs." There are way too many variables to speculate about what you will do/what may happen in the future.

What is absolutely certain now is the fact you don't like the flatter surface or that it's not as fiery as your first diamond. This new one is closer to your original diamond and thus, may provide you the fire you are looking for. As @LLJsmom says, isn't it worth the gamble? What do you have to lose?

I am Team Trade In at this point.
 
Btw I chatted with a diamond specialist from BN and told her I’m thinking about exchanging. She told me I’m trying to pick bones out of eggs, meaning I’m just been over picky and troubling myself over nothing. She said these two diamonds will be extremely similar, I won’t be able to tell which is which even side by side (fire/scintillation wise)...if I haven’t joined this forum then I’d probably listen to her words but she doesn’t know I have all of your experts here! Lol :D
 
Nancy Z said:
Nancy Z said:
@LLJsmom i love your logic and it completely makes sense! It may sound stupid but I have one more question for you, how close is the 2.45 to a super ideal?
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Please keep in mind this is only my interpretation.



A super ideal, as discussed on Pricescope, is a stone cut by the super ideal vendors, to very tight specifications. Based on that definition, a stone either IS or IS NOT a super ideal. These are cut so that there is practicthally NO leakage. So a stone cannot be close to a super ideal. It either is or isn't, based on each vendor's definition of their super ideal, and we (generally) as PSers agree to that definition.

However, the measurements of your stone are very similar to super ideal stones, much more similar than the 60/60. The crown and pavilion angles, the depth and LGF and the small table. We see those measurements a lot with super ideals. So I would say that your stone is a super ideal "type" of stone, lots of contrast, likely fire, sparkly and colors.

The only question I had in my mind was whether you loved 60/60, and some do. But since you don't, then I would choose ANY stone that is like the type of stone you like. To me, this stone falls into that category.

See what I'm saying?
 
I'd exchange based on what you said here. But I'd also try to escalate with BN customer service and insist that you're not locked in to a stone you haven't even seen. Ask for just a two day window so you can try it out.

Honestly, BN's trade-up policy is sounding draconian! I'm sorry you have to deal with that stress on top of the regular-fun-picking out a diamond stress.

The other thing to remember is that even the branded super ideals aren't super sparkly in every light. Don't judge your new stone too harshly based on a hypothetical ideal of what an ACA would look like in comparison.

Best of luck!
 
I have returned my original ring and am waiting for an updated ship date for the new diamond. I read some more posts and saw that crown angle 34 and pavilion angle 40.6 are not complimentary since both are on the shallow side? Could someone please help me answer if It’s going to be a redflag there?? Thank you all again! :)
 
The angles should be okay, due to the small table and 15.5% crown height.
 
@Nancy Z when will you get the new diamond? :))
 
Kim N said:
@Nancy Z when will you get the new diamond? :))
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@Kim N My new shipping date is still pending... :( they received my return last Thursday and email says it takes 5-15day for them to inspect the return. After that they order the new diamond (which in the meantime the vendor could have sold the new diamond already. I’ve already learned that when I first began my upgrade, by having a diamond on reserve doesn’t mean anything..) so I’m just hoping the diamond will still be there by the time they finish inspecting the return since I really can’t find any other good alternatives right now within my price range..
 
Nancy Z said:
@Kim N My new shipping date is still pending... :( they received my return last Thursday and email says it takes 5-15day for them to inspect the return. After that they order the new diamond (which in the meantime the vendor could have sold the new diamond already. I’ve already learned that when I first began my upgrade, by having a diamond on reserve doesn’t mean anything..) so I’m just hoping the diamond will still be there by the time they finish inspecting the return since I really can’t find any other good alternatives right now within my price range..
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You never know--they might get new inventory between now and when they finish inspecting your return, even if your reserved diamond is gone. But hopefully they really do keep the new one on reserve for you.
 
Can you still return the new one if you don't like it? I hate time pressure when shopping
 
Tayberry said:
Can you still return the new one if you don't like it? I hate time pressure when shopping
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@Tayberry I know... it’s been a rough journey. I was told by the diamond specialist who assisted me with the upgrade that I won’t be able to exchange once pass the original 30 days exchange period. But when I called customer service to proceed with the exchange the lady told me I should be able to. Maybe the policy is different for upgrade? I’m still trying to figure out who gave the correct info.
 
Refund?
 
Tayberry said:
Refund?
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You can only return/refund if it’s a brand new purchase. Since mine was an upgrade the only option is exchange within 30 days of ship date... once pass the exchange period you are stuck with it until the next upgrade.
My original ship date was 1/5 and I called on 2/2. I was told by two people that I’ve already passed the 30 days return period and need supervisor approval??...which totally didn’t make any sense to me. Anyways this upgrade had been a roller coaster but at the end I was able to process the exchange and now still waiting for the new ship date, hopefully this diamond will still be available by then.
 
@Kim N i just got notified that the estimated new shipping date is 2/12, and got charged the difference. So looks like this diamond has been secured. :))

I will post pics when I receive it.
 
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