Is this obstruction in OEC?

[Aurora26]

Are most of them all turning on and off at the same time? On-off-on-off, or On-on-off-off/ on-on-on-off-off-off? If the center is almost all on during the cup test, they will all turn off at the same time when there's something dark close by like your clothing, hair, phone case.

Ah I understand now. Yes they are mostly all on during the cup test, and yes they seem to mostly turn off when I get my phone case or hair nearby. I would have thought it's nice to have a bright stone during the cup test but is a contrasting on-off-on-off preferred so as to avoid the dark center effect?

 

[ForteKitty]

Ah I understand now. Yes they are mostly all on during the cup test, and yes they seem to mostly turn off when I get my phone case or hair nearby. I would have thought it's nice to have a bright stone during the cup test but is a contrasting on-off-on-off preferred so as to avoid the dark center effect?

Yeah, you want contrasting facets under the table, especially when you move the stone while hand is cupped. Remember when they all turn on at the same time, those same facets will also all turn off at the same time and pick up surrounding colors, which is what you're observing in person.

 

[Aurora26]

Yeah, you want contrasting facets under the table, especially when you move the stone while hand is cupped. Remember when they all turn on at the same time, those same facets will also all turn off at the same time and pick up surrounding colors, which is what you're observing in person.

Maybe I'm doing it wrong but now I do seem to see the facets be on-off-on-off when I shift the ring in my hand cup. For me, I think the black phone case test seems to be more telling lol.

 

[prs]

IMHO a few black facets under the table is not bad, you need some contrast to help define the pattern. If you go back to the series of photos in your first post, there are quite a lot with only a couple of black facets, and only a small number with too many black facets. I think the large number of grey facets are a reflection of your grey ceiling.

The photos I took outside in the garden were much better, and far more colorful than my inside photos. Maybe give that another try now you've figured out how to keep your phone out of the picture.

 

[Aurora26]

IMHO a few black facets under the table is not bad, you need some contrast to help define the pattern. If you go back to the series of photos in your first post, there are quite a lot with only a couple of black facets, and only a small number with too many black facets. I think the large number of grey facets are a reflection of your grey ceiling.

The photos I took outside in the garden were much better, and far more colorful than my inside photos. Maybe give that another try now you've figured out how to keep your phone out of the picture.

I so appreciate your positive take on this, that maybe it is just my ceiling and phone case. The diamond does look a lot better outside rather than in my apartment building! But I have been trying to test drive both decisions, first how keeping it makes me feel and then how going back to search for another stone feels. After days of the uncertainty, it feels better if I start over since the issues are the potential overly obstructed center as well as the fuzzy peripheral table area, not just one concern. I’ve learned quite a few new things now, even after months about reading and seeing OECs prior to picking this one. Hopefully can get it right this next time

If anything, I hope more stones become available If any PSer is considering selling a tried and true 2-3ct K-L OEC or knows of anyone selling one, please do reach out! I have a LT listing in my original search thread.

 

[xxxxxx]

I had a OEC custom cut (from a MRB so there weren't endless possibilties). My diamond does get dark under the table in the car (dark interior) or if my head is too right over the diamond while looking at it. Next week I can upload alot of videos and pictures of it. Just to give you a feeling what a (very nicely cut, thats what the appraiser said) oec performs like.

 

[Aurora26]

I had a OEC custom cut (from a MRB so there weren't endless possibilties). My diamond does get dark under the table in the car (dark interior) or if my head is too right over the diamond while looking at it. Next week I can upload alot of videos and pictures of it. Just to give you a feeling what a (very nicely cut, thats what the appraiser said) oec performs like.

That would be great, thank you. For your stone, do all the facets under the table go dark at once? Or is there contrast as fortekitty suggested that I look for?

 

[prs]

I so appreciate your positive take on this, that maybe it is just my ceiling and phone case. The diamond does look a lot better outside rather than in my apartment building! But I have been trying to test drive both decisions, first how keeping it makes me feel and then how going back to search for another stone feels. After days of the uncertainty, it feels better if I start over since the issues are the potential overly obstructed center as well as the fuzzy peripheral table area, not just one concern. I’ve learned quite a few new things now, even after months about reading and seeing OECs prior to picking this one. Hopefully can get it right this next time

If anything, I hope more stones become available If any PSer is considering selling a tried and true 2-3ct K-L OEC or knows of anyone selling one, please do reach out! I have a LT listing in my original search thread.

You could perfect your camera skills, but for sure, that wouldn't do anything to fix the 60% table. As table size decreases the facets outside the table get larger, so a smaller table would give you more of that "chunky" facet look. If you do decide to return the diamond hopefully your jeweler will take it back for a full refund.

If not don't sell it for a loss just yet, have a Sarine scan taken and report back. An OEC with a 60% table, a 3% culet, and normal crown and pavilion angles should come in with a depth much less than 63.3%. It's a long shot, but there's enough depth there to entertain the possibility of a successful recut to a smaller table.

 

[Aurora26]

You could perfect your camera skills, but for sure, that wouldn't do anything to fix the 60% table. As table size decreases the facets outside the table get larger, so a smaller table would give you more of that "chunky" facet look. If you do decide to return the diamond hopefully your jeweler will take it back for a full refund.

If not don't sell it for a loss just yet, have a Sarine scan taken and report back. An OEC with a 60% table, a 3% culet, and normal crown and pavilion angles should come in with a depth much less than 63.3%. It's a long shot, but there's enough depth there to entertain the possibility of a successful recut to a smaller table.

The jeweler told me he purchased it from the supplier even before I agreed to buy it from him as he thought it was a great stone, so hopefully he will understand how I had such a short time with the stone and be willing to take it back.

Agreed, I think exploring a recut will be my plan B. The proportions of the stone are nice enough and leave room to slim down. I saw a thread that quoted a recut at $450 per carat. I think it was an OEC recut but don’t quite remember. Does that seem like the correct ballpark? @Lessics do you know?

 

[nala]

The jeweler told me he purchased it from the supplier even before I agreed to buy it from him as he thought it was a great stone, so hopefully he will understand how I had such a short time with the stone and be willing to take it back.

Agreed, I think exploring a recut will be my plan B. The proportions of the stone are nice enough and leave room to slim down. I saw a thread that quoted a recut at $450 per carat. I think it was an OEC recut but don’t quite remember. Does that seem like the correct ballpark? @Lessics do you know?

Get in touch with Ari at Singlestone for a recut quote! I referred a PSer earlier this year (I forget whom) based on a quote that I got like 7 years ago! But new recut price seemed very reasonable. Hopefully that PSer is reading this thread and Chimes in!

 

[xxxxxx]

I just found a few pictures. The facets mostly don’t go off all at once. Usually it’s a off and on between the facets. They are all mixed up. Pictures where I tried to capture my stone at its “ugliest” and pictures where I tried to capture the floral pattern. I wasn’t and I’m still not 100% sure this stone is really ideally cut (even though the appraiser said it was a very beautiful stone). I will make a conclusive thread about it next week with videos and the idealscope image.

 

[Aurora26]

Get in touch with Ari at Singlestone for a recut quote! I referred a PSer earlier this year (I forget whom) based on a quote that I got like 7 years ago! But new recut price seemed very reasonable. Hopefully that PSer is reading this thread and Chimes in!

Thank you, I will keep him in mind if I need to explore the recut option.

I just found a few pictures. The facets mostly don’t go off all at once. Usually it’s a off and on between the facets. They are all mixed up. Pictures where I tried to capture my stone at its “ugliest” and pictures where I tried to capture the floral pattern. I wasn’t and I’m still not 100% sure this stone is really ideally cut (even though the appraiser said it was a very beautiful stone). I will make a conclusive thread about it next week with videos and the idealscope image.

This reminds me of my stone, that about half the under the table facets go dark at once, and they’re lumped together not alternating. Interested in seeing what the idealscope image looks like when you get it. Fingers crossed for you it puts your mind at ease that it’s a great cut.

 

[Aurora26]

No-go on full return, so going to explore recut options. I shot a note out to DK since he helped with @prs 's DW's lovely stone. I envision just tightening up the table, so we'll see what David thinks and the estimate, then potentially reach out to Ari as well.

I am actually liking my stone a lot after getting a few full days to enjoy it (had kept it tucked away until the official proposal but brought it out to fully decide if I wanted to keep it). It truly does blind me often, and I think the "obstruction" is just my grey ceiling, my propensity to wear dark clothing, and my black phone case lol.

Thanks all for the helpful feedback! I'll continue updating on what we decide, to recut or not.

 

[AnastasiaBeaverhausen]

No-go on full return, so going to explore recut options. I shot a note out to DK since he helped with @prs 's DW's lovely stone. I envision just tightening up the table, so we'll see what David thinks and the estimate, then potentially reach out to Ari as well.

I am actually liking my stone a lot after getting a few full days to enjoy it (had kept it tucked away until the official proposal but brought it out to fully decide if I wanted to keep it). It truly does blind me often, and I think the "obstruction" is just my grey ceiling, my propensity to wear dark clothing, and my black phone case lol.

Thanks all for the helpful feedback! I'll continue updating on what we decide, to recut or not.

Glad to hear you have options at least. And hey, sounds like it's time to repaint the house!!

 

[Aurora26]

Glad to hear you have options at least. And hey, sounds like it's time to repaint the house!!

We are moving out of this apartment in the summer so I'll be sure to veto another concrete ceiling lol. But maybe some new clothes are in order...

 

[AnastasiaBeaverhausen]

We are moving out of this apartment in the summer so I'll be sure to veto another concrete ceiling lol. But maybe some new clothes are in order...

Ooo yes, shopping is much more fun than painting.

 

[YadaYadaYada]

Just get a new phone case and dye your hair whatever color you want the diamond to reflect like pink or purple. Boom! No need to worry about recutting.

You can pay me in diamonds for the advice

 

[Aurora26]

Just get a new phone case and dye your hair whatever color you want the diamond to reflect like pink or purple. Boom! No need to worry about recutting.

You can pay me in diamonds for the advice

If there’s a time in my adult life for lavender hair, now is it

 

[foxinsox]

If there’s a time in my adult life for lavender hair, now is it

I am 44 and have lavender/pink hair and an actual grown up job so you've got loads of time to do it but by all means, do go for it now!

 

[prs]

No-go on full return, so going to explore recut options. I shot a note out to DK since he helped with @prs 's DW's lovely stone. I envision just tightening up the table, so we'll see what David thinks and the estimate, then potentially reach out to Ari as well.

I am actually liking my stone a lot after getting a few full days to enjoy it (had kept it tucked away until the official proposal but brought it out to fully decide if I wanted to keep it). It truly does blind me often, and I think the "obstruction" is just my grey ceiling, my propensity to wear dark clothing, and my black phone case lol.

Thanks all for the helpful feedback! I'll continue updating on what we decide, to recut or not.

No need to rush into a recut if your stone is starting to grow on you.

This is how most of my indoor photos turn out



The only brown in our house is the hardwood floors. How the heck that color manages to find its way into all the photos is beyond me!

It's not visible in real life, but take a picture...and there it is.

 

[prs]

Just in case you missed it, @arkieb1 has a fabulous OEC with a 60% table LINK

 

[Aurora26]

I am 44 and have lavender/pink hair and an actual grown up job so you've got loads of time to do it but by all means, do go for it now!

That is amazing! Hmm I may need to seriously look into it now.

No need to rush into a recut if your stone is starting to grow on you.

This is how most of my indoor photos turn out



The only brown in our house is the hardwood floors. How the heck that color manages to find its way into all the photos is beyond me!

It's not visible in real life, but take a picture...and there it is.

Yes, no rush at all old euros are so cool, I love the chunky facets on yours and it’s amazing how they pick up so much of their surroundings.

Just in case you missed it, @arkieb1 has a fabulous OEC with a 60% table LINK

Ah I’ve definitely found this thread before, her sentiment about people seeing the flashes of light from across the room and grabbing her hand to see her ring really stuck with me. Thanks for reminding me of her beautiful stone!

 

[prs]

@Aurora26 If you look closely at the table edges on arkie's OEC and compare them to yours, maybe you could get some idea of what might be causing your issue #2.

 

[xxxxxx]

I had my stone recut by Ashley from South west diamond cutters. He’s great and more affordable then Ari. (That was last year). Also he advised me on angles etc.. I just liked to talk directly to the cutter and not through a middle man. On the other hand Ari and DK are local to you that also is a huge plus!

I would definitely take your time before you really decide to recut it.

 

[Aurora26]

@Aurora26 If you look closely at the table edges on arkie's OEC and compare them to yours, maybe you could get some idea of what might be causing your issue #2.

I had my stone recut by Ashley from South west diamond cutters. He’s great and more affordable then Ari. (That was last year). Also he advised me on angles etc.. I just liked to talk directly to the cutter and not through a middle man. On the other hand Ari and DK are local to you that also is a huge plus!

I would definitely take your time before you really decide to recut it.

I have noticed that it all depends on the angle that I'm staring at the diamond. If directly head on into the table without moving, the "flower" facets lead to some fuzzy areas before the table ends. If I look directly at the table then rotate my hand in a circle, I can see the "flower" facets extend further depending on how I'm rotating (that barely makes sense).

But yeah no rush for recutting - I'm even considering it as a future anniversary endeavor so I'll keep Ashley in mind as well! I'm on the east coast now but will be in California in the summer (moving there). My boyfriend wants me to see what David says since he wants me to be 10000% happy with my stone. He's so supportive and understands since we are both particular with details. I've told him that while maybe I'm 98% content with this stone right now, he's the one I truly appreciate and love the most, so I really couldn't be happier

 

[Aurora26]

I just found a few pictures. The facets mostly don’t go off all at once. Usually it’s a off and on between the facets. They are all mixed up. Pictures where I tried to capture my stone at its “ugliest” and pictures where I tried to capture the floral pattern. I wasn’t and I’m still not 100% sure this stone is really ideally cut (even though the appraiser said it was a very beautiful stone). I will make a conclusive thread about it next week with videos and the idealscope image.

Hi @Lessics have you had the chance to analyze your recut stone any further and evaluate it with the Idealscope? I'd love to learn more about your recut journey as well, the specs of the stone you started out with, what the end state specs were, timeline, etc.