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Just got back from looking at some diamonds...I'll list the 3 (as much info as I can)...which do you guys think is the best? I realize CUT is most important...thanks in advance...all the info is from GIA reports although some are older so have different info...

1.

round brilliant
8.20-8.24 x 5.10mm (what exactly does this represent??)
2.05 carat
depth 62%
table 58%
girlde - think to medium, faceted
culet - very small
polish - god
symmetry - very good
vs1
E
no fluorescence
$31,800


2.

round brilliant
8.13-8.25 x 4.86mm
2.01 carat
vs1
E
cut grade - very good
polish - very good
symmetry - very good
fluorescence - faint
depth - 59.3%
table - 61%
crown angle - 31%
pavillion angle - 41.2%
$30,800

3.

round brilliant
8.18-8.29 x 4.94mm
2.04 carat
depth - 60%
table - 57%
girdle - medium to slightly thick, faceted
culet - none
polish - good
symmetry - very good
vs2
E
no fluorescence
$28,220

Lastly, do you think this is a good price for a platinum setting:

size 4.25 engagement ring (she's small)
size 4 wedding band
25.4 grams of platinum
1.5 carat of diamonds

it is basically a round bezel setting with pave halfway around the engagement ring band but the wedding band itself is all pave...hope this makes sense...they said $2,950 (it was custom made)..it was made to accomodate a 2.0 carat diamond

thanks so much!!!
 
the smallest and largest diameter, by the depth, in mm

Probably 3, but definitely need more information, and use the Price Comparison. If I were spending that kind of money, on a 2 ct colorless VS, I'd definitely go for EX/EX. There's absolutely no reason to compromise on cut, IMO.
 
Date: 10/6/2006 6:47:15 PM
Author: JulieN
the smallest and largest diameter, by the depth, in mm

Probably 3, but definitely need more information, and use the Price Comparison. If I were spending that kind of money, on a 2 ct colorless VS, I''d definitely go for EX/EX. There''s absolutely no reason to compromise on cut, IMO.
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Why do you think #3? What is the price comparison function and given the limited info on the GIA reports, how would I know if I''m getting EX/EX?

thanks for the comments....
 
also what exactly are girdle and culet? how important are they since some GIA reports don''t seem to list them?

also generally speaking do you want a thin or thicker girdle?

thanks...
 
Without more information on 1, it can be a riskier combination. 2, you left out the girdle information, and the combo isn't that hot. 3, again, definitely need more information, but slightly less risky than 1.

What I mean by EX/EX is the polish and symmetry grades. All your stones are only good and very good. It is purely cosmetic, although VG and higher is usually recommended. Performance is the key, not the finish. But, you are looking at a very high quality stone, and there is no reason not to get EX or Ideal finish.

This is the price comparison: https://www.pricescope.com/panning.aspx (and click on in-house; all listings is the adventerous mode)
 
mypak, you obviously have an enviable budget, and somone is certain to get one big diamond ring! It would really help you out in your search, if you do a little homework first. This is an important decision/purchase, be armed!

Read this for a wealth of information.
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http://diamonds.pricescope.com/
 
If the girdle isn''t listed, you should get a Sarin. It is not too important. Whether you want a thinner or thicker girdle is related to durability, and is inversely related to how much crown there is. The culet is the tip at the bottom. Also not important if very small or smaller, or if you cannot see it.
 
Date: 10/6/2006 7:09:51 PM
Author: JulieN
Without more information on 1, it can be a riskier combination. 2, you left out the girdle information, and the combo isn''t that hot. 3, again, definitely need more information, but slightly less risky than 1.

What I mean by EX/EX is the polish and symmetry grades. All your stones are only good and very good. It is purely cosmetic, although VG and higher is usually recommended. Performance is the key, not the finish. But, you are looking at a very high quality stone, and there is no reason not to get EX or Ideal finish.

This is the price comparison: https://www.pricescope.com/panning.aspx (and click on in-house; all listings is the adventerous mode)
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for 1, that''s literally all the info on the gia report...it is from 1998 so I guess the old ones weren''t as detailed? risky?

for 2, the girdle is think/thick (faceted)

for 3, that''s all the info on the gia...what more info would you need/how would I get it?
 
1. Poor stone that's been sitting around for 8 years.
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Less combinations that work with a 58% table, and 62% depth is a bit deep for a 58% table. Assuming medium girdle, it's probably a steep/deep.

2. Thin girdle on 31 degree crown is too thin and represents a durability issue. May be safe if checked out by an appraiser, but combined with the rest of the numbers, I'd pass.

3. Get a Sarin.
 
Date: 10/6/2006 7:15:00 PM
Author: Ellen
mypak, you obviously have an enviable budget, and somone is certain to get one big diamond ring! It would really help you out in your search, if you do a little homework first. This is an important decision/purchase, be armed!

Read this for a wealth of information.
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http://diamonds.pricescope.com/
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thanks Ellen...I''ve done a lot of reading and browsing...at this point, I just hope she''s happy with the setting (we see it tommorow)....as I was looking at the diamonds today, I mean to me, they all looked the same...they all looked great

I just want to make sure I''m not buying one that is obviously flawed....I am pretty picky and looking at the diamonds 50 different ways is driving me crazy!!! so I just wanna make sure that of the three I listed, none seem obviously bad

thanks so much for your feedback...
 
Date: 10/6/2006 7:27:32 PM
Author: JulieN
1. Poor stone that''s been sitting around for 8 years.
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Less combinations that work with a 58% table, and 62% depth is a bit deep for a 58% table. Assuming medium girdle, it''s probably a steep/deep.

2. Thin girdle on 31 degree crown is too thin and represents a durability issue. May be safe if checked out by an appraiser, but combined with the rest of the numbers, I''d pass.

3. Get a Sarin.
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looks like the gia reports produced in 2006 (#2 diamond) has more info like Cut and the various angles....I''ll prob go back down and look for one with a 2006 GIA report, ideal cut, E, VS1 and go from there...
 
Date: 10/6/2006 8:17:41 PM
Author: diamondseeker2006
If you are looking at a 2006 GIA report, you want to see Excellent cut, and Excellent (or very good at least) polish and symmetry. I agree with Julie that if you are spending that kind of money, you should go for excellent quality.
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Thanks....I actually just called the guys and told them to look for diamonds with a 2006 GIA report so it''s a little easier to determine the cut quality...I realize there are many other things to look at but that''s #1 on the list...thanks again.
 
Date: 10/6/2006 8:17:41 PM
Author: diamondseeker2006
If you are looking at a 2006 GIA report, you want to see Excellent cut, and Excellent (or very good at least) polish and symmetry. I agree with Julie that if you are spending that kind of money, you should go for excellent quality.

Some examples of nice stones:

http://www.goodoldgold.com/diamond/359/

http://www.goodoldgold.com/diamond/361/

http://www.whiteflash.com/hearts_arrows/A-Cut-Above-H-A-cut-diamond-71804.htm
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one "last" question....is there a minimun color/clarity you would accept for the small diamonds that make up the setting and the pave? thanks again...
 
H?
 
G VS is very common for the small stones in settings. That would be my minimum for an E-F center stone. However, H would be great for a G-H center stone, but that''s just personal preference.
 
I think the price for the setting and wedding band sounds pretty reasonable for platinum, i.e. not overpriced.

I''ve just started learning about choosing diamonds, as I am "Rough Rock", but just curious why you mention CUT being most important, but have very little grading info on CUT? I see that you are going really high in clarity and color? Once again, I know almost nothing, but I''m always looking for Hearts & Arrows or Ideal/Excellent cuts and EX-VG polish and symmetry. Those criteria are what really pull me in. But you''ve seen the diamonds in person, so that seems like a big advantage for decision making. I was told by a dealer (in a store - not internet) that I could get a hearts & arrows amazingly cut diamond (i.e. ideal proportions, ex-vg polish, ex-vg symmetry) for about the Rappaport price, so I didn''t check your 3 diamonds, but if they are at or above Rap, then they might be overpriced.
 
Date: 10/6/2006 10:23:47 PM
Author: bargaincrazy
I think the price for the setting and wedding band sounds pretty reasonable for platinum, i.e. not overpriced.

I''ve just started learning about choosing diamonds, as I am ''Rough Rock'', but just curious why you mention CUT being most important, but have very little grading info on CUT? I see that you are going really high in clarity and color? Once again, I know almost nothing, but I''m always looking for Hearts & Arrows or Ideal/Excellent cuts and EX-VG polish and symmetry. Those criteria are what really pull me in. But you''ve seen the diamonds in person, so that seems like a big advantage for decision making. I was told by a dealer (in a store - not internet) that I could get a hearts & arrows amazingly cut diamond (i.e. ideal proportions, ex-vg polish, ex-vg symmetry) for about the Rappaport price, so I didn''t check your 3 diamonds, but if they are at or above Rap, then they might be overpriced.
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I guess that''s why I''m now seeking a 2006 GIA report so there is a lot more info on the cut and I''m not making a decision in a black hole.....honestly, to my "unprofessional" eye, all the diamonds looked great/the same...I think it''s more an issue of putting my mind (and my girlfriend''s mind) at ease by knowing I got the best cut, etc. in seeking a GIA cert w/ those specifications...plus I''d have it appraised too to make sure the diamond does match the GIA report and there is nothing else I''m missing....does any of this make sense?
 
From what I have seen, the prices aren''t much different for very good cut to excellent cut, so my feeling is, may as well go for excellent! Stones over 2 carats are not as plentiful, though, so you might consider VG on polish or symmetry.
 
definitely check out the stones that alj posted...i would buy any of those over those you posted...none of the ones you posted really are going WOW to me, esp since the last one which is probably the most promising to me, doesn't even have crown and pav angles so it's hard to tell anything really. having had a E, G, H, I, J and stone...color is hard for me to see so i would never pay for a 2c E stone if i didn't have to. i'd always get a better cut over color or clarity. alj is right in that an exceptionally well cut stone will hide a bit of color so i think you'd be fine with F or G rather than a mediocre cut E. plus the sparkle hides more and makes the diamond look whiter. less sparkle aka mediocre stone, you just see a white blob.

with your budget, spend some time looking around. why waste your time with vendors who don't give the information you need to make an educated decision?

good luck!
 
I would get more information on stone three, it is the only one in my opinion that has any potential. That being said, others have posted stones that are gorgeous!! If you are going to put that type of money down, I would personally get one of those for the reassurance of quality. The setting you described sounds very pretty, this should be a beautiful ring.
 
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