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We just tend to try our best to follow the rules the owner of the site sets out

Plenty of us do look at the lab stone threads
Personally i consider it fine jewler if its solid gold (or silver) even if its only 9 or or 10K but generality plated or rolled means it belongs in the fabulous fashion dept

I have a lab saphire silver braclete that cost $3K (sigh ...... the Mall jewler)
I consider that absolutly fine jewlery but i follow the rules and keep it in a appropriate thread in fabulous fashion jewlery

And right now i have a 9K rose gold ring at the jewler being tested to see if its synthetic
.....or glass
it might just end up being fake & fabulous
 
Kalynna said:
Is provenance the only distinction?
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No, it's natural vs. not natural. I have made the example that I love petrified wood. If someone came up with the perfect process to make faux petrified wood from lumber, I would have no interest in it. It's not the thing itself; for me, it's that the thing emerged as-is from nature. This is why I am not a fan of heated or treated gems. But I do like them faceted or cabbed so I guess I am not entirely consistent in my zeal for purity. =)2
 
Daisys and Diamonds said:
We just tend to try our best to follow the rules the owner of the site sets out

Plenty of us do look at the lab stone subforum
i consider it fine jewler if its solid gold even if its 9 or or 10K but generality plated or rolled means it belongs in the fabulous fashion dept

I have a lab saphire silver braclete that cost $3K (sigh ...... the Mall jewler)
I consider that absolutly fine jewlery but i follow the rules and keep it in the lab stone dept

And right now i have a 9K rose gold ring at the jewler being tested to see if its synthetic
.....or glass
it might just end up being fake & fabulous
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Greetings to you in New Zealand from me in the desert of Arizona! I'll bet your bracelet is mighty fine, and as long as you love a piece, that's what matters!

I would consider "costume" jewelry to be something that you'd pick up at J Crew or Ann Taylor. Something mass produced without much thought or quality in the materials. I guess that's why the costume/faux label rankled me when I saw it, plus I always have to be that pain in the butt person who asks WHY lol. But no matter, I love this site and I'm glad I found it ☺️
 
LilAlex said:
No, it's natural vs. not natural. I have made the example that I love petrified wood. If someone came up with the perfect process to make faux petrified wood from lumber, I would have no interest in it. It's not the thing itself; for me, it's that the thing emerged as-is from nature. This is why I am not a fan of heated or treated gems. But I do like them faceted or cabbed so I guess I am not entirely consistent in my zeal for purity. =)2
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I get that, it's the natural PROCESS vs the materials. Thinking about the history behind natural gems is crazy. I was discussing it with my jeweler the other day, he admits lab materials are just as good and cheaper, but he's just not attracted to them because he appreciates the epic history behind an earth diamond. I get that, and if that's the intent behind the rule, then that's a good enough explanation for me

I do wonder if the lab debate is going to get more intense as the years go on. Most of my friends have lab gem engagement and/or wedding rings, either for budget or conscientious reasons. Plus a lot of lapidaries that I'm in contact with are switching over to gain a broader market. It should be interesting to watch!
 
Kalynna said:
Greetings to you in New Zealand from me in the desert of Arizona! I'll bet your bracelet is mighty fine, and as long as you love a piece, that's what matters!

I would consider "costume" jewelry to be something that you'd pick up at J Crew or Ann Taylor. Something mass produced without much thought or quality in the materials. I guess that's why the costume/faux label rankled me when I saw it, plus I always have to be that pain in the butt person who asks WHY lol. But no matter, I love this site and I'm glad I found it ☺️
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Arizona thats exactly what i personally think !

I have some really sparkly little pieces from the accessory shop down the mall :lol-2:
A work mate and i used to have necklace wars :lol-2: (and a hardware store is not the sort of workplace to wear your good stuff !)

I also used to buy fun little bits from the avon lady's sales
Defiantly not fine jewlery

Im a magpie at heart

i also was an 80s teen
i have great nostalgia for all that costume bling (i still have a faux pearl chocker from 1988)
 
Kalynna said:
I do wonder if the lab debate is going to get more intense as the years go on.
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Maybe for diamonds, since that is a recent development in the commercially-viable and consumer-accessible space.

But faux colored stones have been around for at least a century so I think both the appreciation and the market there are "mature." Just look at all the amazing Edwardian platinum bracelets with green glass or synthetic sapphires. This was not done to save money but rather, I believe, because it was so hard to get matched material for all the tiny caliber cuts. And no one wanted to wait six months for the next shipment (on a literal ship).

Synthetic sapphire is dirt cheap. I have a 10 or 20 ct one on my dive watch (it's a thick, flat disc), and sapphire crystals can now be found on even some $300 and $400 watches.
 
Daisys and Diamonds said:
Arizona thats exactly what i personally think !

I have some really sparkly little pieces from the accessory shop down the mall :lol-2:
A work mate and i used to have necklace wars :lol-2: (and a hardware store is not the sort of workplace to wear your good stuff !)

I also used to buy fun little bits from the avon lady's sales
Defiantly not fine jewlery

Im a magpie at heart

i also was an 80s teen
i have great nostalgia for all that costume bling (i still have a faux pearl chocker from 1988)
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Ah, I was a 90s baby and a 2000s teen...we knew our way around a choker :lol-2: My husband recently got a Pandora ring that I noticed in a shop window...he was amazed it was so cheap and thought he had gotten himself a great deal on some fine jewelry!

I have a few J Crew pieces that are some of my favorites, despite the expensive stone collection. Magpies for sure!! :kiss2:
 
Kalynna said:
Ah, I was a 90s baby and a 2000s teen...we knew our way around a choker :lol-2: My husband recently got a Pandora ring that I noticed in a shop window...he was amazed it was so cheap and thought he had gotten himself a great deal on some fine jewelry!

I have a few J Crew pieces that are some of my favorites, despite the expensive stone collection. Magpies for sure!! :kiss2:
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Im making a pearl necklace incorporating pandora daisy charms - for the price of them its sure starting to add up:lol-2:

But saddly it will be banashed to the faux dept because of a CZ

I have a couple of sparkly Swarovski
pieces
I know i shouldn't have .... but it was Christmas :lol-2:
 
LilAlex said:
But faux colored stones have been around for at least a century so I think both the appreciation and the market there are "mature."
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True, but the people who are in the market now are different. More millennials/GenX folks are looking for more unique stones and gravitate towards cheaper price points, especially if they can get something handmade or customized (have you seen the articles about how we're all "killing the diamond market"). Plus, diamonds aren't a necessity for engagement ring styles. So even though the technology has been around for a while, that doesn't mean the market is fully developed, not is is a reason to explode lab gems from this forum.

As another poster said, they follow the rules the owners set up for this site. I've still yet to find a real reason why the rules are what they are or clear boundaries of these rules.
 
Personal opinion here -

In my mind, there is a difference between faux/simulants, lab grown and natural.

Some here make a point that lab grown typically have the same properties as natural and it's a disservice to lump them together in a category where the description says it's for "faux and costume" despite a long discussion when naming the board to keep the naming open to cover all types of fashion jewelry. At a minimum I think the description should be updates.

Personally, I would prefer keeping this forum for discussions on natural stones. There is enough complexity given the number of different types of stones, treatments, vendors, etc. Adding discussions on lab grown stones here would just add confusion imo - especially as many don't clearly call this out in the subject (look at the preloved thread and LT postings - where you have to read the fine print for some which frustrates me as wasting my team reading)

On the other hand, lab created diamonds have their own forum and not considered "faux/costume/fashion: - so why should it be different for colored stones? That being said, I'm not a fan of too many forums - especially if the volume of posts won't warrant it. My first instinct is to suggest opening up the lab diamond forum to lab colored stones but I see that forum has enough activity and we've always kept CS separate from diamonds (different audiences).

While it's not up to us, it seems like the admins are always open to at least suggestions if we have one.
 
lilmosun said:
My first instinct is to suggest opening up the lab diamond forum to lab colored stones but I see that forum has enough activity and we've always kept CS separate from diamonds (different audiences).
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That seems like a good idea, or having a similar lab grown colored gem section. But I totally get that it could make the whole thing more confusing! There's already so much information here going back over 10 years, I understand how hard it must be to sort everything into appropriate categories.

And I do get that there are different elements at play when discussing natural stones - location, treatments, vendors, etc.

Oh well, I'll just make use of both forums and enjoy the wealth of information and gorgeous pictures on here ☺️ Thanks to all for engaging with me on a Friday night when I'm overly tired and frazzled from a stressful week!
 
Kalynna said:
That seems like a good idea, or having a similar lab grown colored gem section. But I totally get that it could make the whole thing more confusing! There's already so much information here going back over 10 years, I understand how hard it must be to sort everything into appropriate categories.

And I do get that there are different elements at play when discussing natural stones - location, treatments, vendors, etc.

Oh well, I'll just make use of both forums and enjoy the wealth of information and gorgeous pictures on here ☺️ Thanks to all for engaging with me on a Friday night when I'm overly tired and frazzled from a stressful week!
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We can't agree what is lab and what is natural on this forum, l can't imagine what is going to happen if we have 2 forums. Anyway, good nightIMG_20220328_104519_HDR.jpg
 
These threads always make me dizzy. :oops2:
 
@natalija: who is this gorgeous furry friend of yours? He/she is stunning. Has the educated and discerning look of a feline who knows their fine gemstones. Plus he/she has the healthiest, glossiest coat I've seen on a cat!
 
Why are you saying that "we can't agree on what is lab and what is natural"? This isn't an opinion, this is a fact. There is a right and wrong answer. It's simple:
1. Natural = earth grown, mined material.
2. Lab = material that is made in a laboratory that is molecularly identical.
3. Synthetic = look-alike, not molecularly identical.

Aside from the obvious origin differences, there is also a huge price difference. But this isn't a show-off thing. It is like the person said above, natural price= treatments, place of origin premiums/lack there of, clarity, type of inclusions, etc. Then add on that, there are different methods of making and evaluating lab stones: CVD, HTHP, YAG, flux fusion, flame fusion. They are identical, but different.

As someone that is also relatively new, I don't understand why you are fighting with the veterans of this site. You agreed to the rules of the site before you were allowed to post. Those rules INCLUDED putting your posts in the proper sub forums. Can't complain just because you're not getting your way or you feel bad. Not your site, don't like it, well no one is FORCING you to be here...

You keep wondering why you are not getting a warm welcome? Because you are basically saying "I don't care about the rules, I don't care about your knowledge, as a newbie, I want it how I want it. Oh and you all are horrible people if you don't tell me my stones are the best I've ever seen, are untreated natural beauties and agree with everything I say." You don't listen to advice given to you by members that have been here for SEVERAL years, have made THOUSANDS of posts and have a mind blowingly extensive and equally mind blowingly expensive collections. That have spent YEARS of their free time learning about stones. And generously offer their time and trained eye to newbies to evaluate stones and even hunt one down. But then someone can't take a "Sorry to say your stone is likely a lab"

As others have said, if you believe your stone is natural, that's one thing, (and don't get pissy when the evaluations aren't what you wanted to hear) but PURPOSELY posting a lab/synthetic stone is against the rules.
 
Obscura said:
Why are you saying that "we can't agree on what is lab and what is natural"? This isn't an opinion, this is a fact. There is a right and wrong answer. It's simple:
1. Natural = earth grown, mined material.
2. Lab = material that is made in a laboratory that is molecularly identical.
3. Synthetic = look-alike, not molecularly identical.

Aside from the obvious origin differences, there is also a huge price difference. But this isn't a show-off thing. It is like the person said above, natural price= treatments, place of origin premiums/lack there of, clarity, type of inclusions, etc. Then add on that, there are different methods of making and evaluating lab stones: CVD, HTHP, YAG, flux fusion, flame fusion. They are identical, but different.

As someone that is also relatively new, I don't understand why you are fighting with the veterans of this site. You agreed to the rules of the site before you were allowed to post. Those rules INCLUDED putting your posts in the proper sub forums. Can't complain just because you're not getting your way or you feel bad. Not your site, don't like it, well no one is FORCING you to be here...

You keep wondering why you are not getting a warm welcome? Because you are basically saying "I don't care about the rules, I don't care about your knowledge, as a newbie, I want it how I want it. Oh and you all are horrible people if you don't tell me my stones are the best I've ever seen, are untreated natural beauties and agree with everything I say." You don't listen to advice given to you by members that have been here for SEVERAL years, have made THOUSANDS of posts and have a mind blowingly extensive and equally mind blowingly expensive collections. That have spent YEARS of their free time learning about stones. And generously offer their time and trained eye to newbies to evaluate stones and even hunt one down. But then someone can't take a "Sorry to say your stone is likely a lab"

As others have said, if you believe your stone is natural, that's one thing, (and don't get pissy when the evaluations aren't what you wanted to hear) but PURPOSELY posting a lab/synthetic stone is against the rules.
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Wow, what a reaction! I'll answer later.
 
Everything you wrote about stones l can find on net. I was talking about online ID, but you didn't read carefully. I am not complaining about welcome, l just mentioned it. Really can't explain any more what is my point. If you can't give positive ID, how can you be so self-confident that it isn't a natural stone? I mean, it must be something, my stones are not holograms. If l missed the forum, or broke some rules a, l am sure that admin would react. Sorry for being a party breaker , in your opinion. Noone of the members post their stones as an argument, but they are positive that my stones aren't natural. Maybe. Keep your lessons about behaviour for yourself. I am tired explaining what l wanted to say over and over again. I will cheer up your day with one photo. All the best.IMG_20200408_104927.jpg
 
Yeah, yeah, and people with more knowledge than you and I put together have told you why it is 90+% likely lab or synthetic. Just because you don't like the answer doesn't mean that you don't have to play by the rules. You asked for advice, you got it and didnt like the answer so you lashed out. That's why you are getting flack.
 
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Obscura said:
Yeah, yeah, and people with more knowledge then you and I put together have told you why it is 90+% likely lab or synthetic. Just because you don't like the answer doesn't mean that you don't have to play by the rules. You asked for advice, you got it and didnt like the answer so you lashed out. That's why you are getting flack.
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ok, you are right, l"ll trust in someonas judgment when l see photos. ln the meantime, l"ll enjoy and post my stones. the last appraisal was 99.9999999999% now it 90% , l am making some progress. do you really think l"ll arguing with you?
 
natalija said:
ok, you are right, l"ll trust in someonas judgment when l see photos. ln the meantime, l"ll enjoy and post my stones. the last appraisal was 99.9999999999% now it 90% , l am making some progress. do you really think l"ll arguing with you?
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Cool so you're a troll, and I said 90 *PLUS* % because I'm not nearly as knowledgeable as the other ladies and gents of this forum. But I'm done interacting with you. There isn't reasoning with someone that has a victim mentality.
 
Obscura said:
Cool so you're a troll, and I said 90 *PLUS* % because I'm not nearly as knowledgeable as the other ladies and gents of this forum. But I'm done interacting with you. There isn't reasoning with someone that has a victim mentality.
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ok
 
so , l should be gratefull and happy only because you are interacting with me?
 
natalija said:
O thank you, we have been living together for 2,5 years. She is very smart and knows everything about my stones. :read:IMG_20220328_104526_HDR.jpg
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@minousbijoux Though there is plenty of dissension in this thread, I think it's unanimous that @natalija's kitty is pawsitively gorgeous! She may be my favorite avatar on this forum. She looks like "The Cat" from Coraline. :kiss2:
 
I believe Natalija is asking for one of her threads to be moved because she agrees that it belongs in the fashion jewelry section. She is asking if all her threads need to be moved because she believes some of her stones are natural. I may be wrong because there does seem to be a bit of a language barrier. She also shared a sapphire in another thread that appears to be natural.

What I don’t understand is why some people feel the need to address her in such an unkind and petty manner. She seems to have way more patience than I do.

I officially joined PriceScope in 2019, but I’ve been reading the forums off and on since probably the beginning of the website. I don’t like the trend I’ve seen in recent years of criticizing some of the new members.

I’m going to bite my tongue and let my heart rate slow a bit before I comment any further. Like I said, she has a lot more patience than I do.
 
thirdrock said:
I believe Natalija is asking for one of her threads to be moved because she agrees that it belongs in the fashion jewelry section. She is asking if all her threads need to be moved because she believes some of her stones are natural. I may be wrong because there does seem to be a bit of a language barrier. She also shared a sapphire in another thread that appears to be natural.

What I don’t understand is why some people feel the need to address her in such an unkind and petty manner. She seems to have way more patience than I do.

I officially joined PriceScope in 2019, but I’ve been reading the forums off and on since probably the beginning of the website. I don’t like the trend I’ve seen in recent years of criticizing some of the new members.

I’m going to bite my tongue and let my heart rate slow a bit before I comment any further. Like I said, she has a lot more patience than I do.
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thank you, l will not comment your reply, l believe that some members are jealous a bit, at best.
 
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