Mueller’s Conference today

[AGBF]

You want to rant about Trump.

I don't really want to. I physically need to. It is a visceral reaction. It is normal to scream when you feel tortured. Since I actually discipline myself here on Pricescope to get my thoughts into order and not just scream at the screen, I am putting considerable effort into channeling and sublimating my pain and rage. I am anguished. It is incredibly frustrating to see terrible, unfair things being done in front of one's face and to see people fooled by those (unfair, terrible) people who are doing evil be tied up, unable to do a thing about it. It makes one want to scream at the top of one's lungs and kick the walls out!

I feel as if Trump and Barr tied me up and did terrible things I cannot control to me. I want to scream and kick. This used to be a country of laws. That was the country I was born and raised in.

 

[redwood66]

@AGBF it is too bad this affects you so.

 

[AGBF]

@AGBF it is too bad this affects you so.

Thank you. Sincerely.

 

[Dancing Fire]

I feel that Trump has hold of the media here in the United States and that far too many people, us, are under his sway. Why else would Nancy Pelosi be afraid to impeach him?

AGBF

Really? when did MSNBC,CNN, ABC and CBS became pro Trump medias?
Based on what charge? . Pelosi is smart. she knows it ain't gonna happen.

 

[Dancing Fire]

Liberals want transparency and election free from interference. Conservatives are apparently OK with the fact that Russia and possibly China interefered in our election.

Good,then you do agree with Barr for investigating the investigators?.
Who was POTUS during the 2016 election? Why didn't our Prez. look into possible Russian interference?

 

[Dancing Fire]

Why on earth would conservatives respond to some of what is posted here? I do because sometimes I just DGAF, but mostly it's like Karl said, a waste of energy. Besides, what difference does it make?

Yup, unless you are a far left winger and/or a Trump hater.

 

[Tekate]

Right wingers NEVER answer a question, they always throw something back, which is called evasion, every right winger that I know or read will never answer the questions or support their argument.

Let's punch you in the face?
Where and when have liberals used this?

Well, many conservatives have reached a point of just saying shove off?
Well, democrats say the same. Liberals say the same. Socialists say the same.

So where does that leave our country?
In shambles.

Some times the idea of liberal compromise goes something like this:
Lets punch you in the face
No thanks
How about we just compromise and just slap you in the face.
No thanks!
Conservatives wont compromise!
Well many conservatives have reached the point of just saying shove off.

As far as not responding to the threads really whats the point?
You want to rant about Trump.
Go for it I will just sit back and shake my head about all the energy being wasted.
Myself I would rather put my energies to helping people so see yas all in RT.

 

[Tekate]

Because they actually believe what they are correct.

Why on earth would conservatives respond to some of what is posted here? I do because sometimes I just DGAF, but mostly it's like Karl said, a waste of energy. Besides, what difference does it make?

 

[Tekate]

Sure, investigate the investagators. Who cares. It's a non issue.

FYI DF Obama did look into it? Didn't Fox cover that? lol

Good,then you do agree with Barr for investigating the investigators?.
Who was POTUS during the 2016 election? Why didn't our Prez. look into possible Russian interference?

 

[redwood66]

Because they actually believe what they are correct.

No. I don't need to spout off on the internet because I believe I am correct. Nor do I need to have my opinions validated by others.

 

[Tekate]

Is it Red? I mean it affects many Americans the same way. It's sickening that Trump is in office. Every ideal that I grew up believing in and for has been decimated or is in the process of being decimated by Trump and the Trumpsters that follow him and work for him.

@AGBF it is too bad this affects you so.

 

[Tekate]

That's good. Neither do I.

No. I don't need to spout off on the internet because I believe I am correct. Nor do I need to have my opinions validated by others.

 

[redwood66]

Is it Red? I mean it affects many Americans the same way. It's sickening that Trump is in office. Every ideal that I grew up believing in and for has been decimated or is in the process of being decimated by Trump and the Trumpsters that follow him and work for him.

Yes it is too bad. I feel for her.

 

[Tekate]

Me too, I feel bad for me, I feel pain for all of us who have to endure this crap show. It's healthy to discuss. In the same vein, we had 8 years of the torture of Obama that we heard night and day by people who were tortued and in pain because he wasn't a strong leader, he was a socialist, etc, and they survived and Trump came and Trump will leave. Hopefully we can undo all the damage he has done.

Yes it is too bad. I feel for her.

 

[redwood66]

We will survive Trump and the next one too. I feel for you as well.

 

[arkieb1]

Hi,

Unfortunately, I think Arkieb1 has gotten to the crux of the matter. The political system is broken. Republicans and Democrats no longer know how to govern. The electorate is showing that Americans are not what they used to be. When 40% favor DT and will vote for him again it is cause for alarm. Our values have changed. This did not happen over-nite I, too am depressed and despondent over what has happened and what will happen in the future.

It s rather farcical to me to have a country wait for a report to tell them whether or not this President has committed crimes uncovered during this Russia probe only to find the investigator has refused to assert his opinion on the merits of crime or not. Mueller is just a fact finder and is preserving the evidence and never since the inception of this probe was considering whether or not to charge the President. He followed Justice Dept guidelines, being the bureaucrat that he is. He wishes not to speak and thus gives AG Barr the opportunity to present the case any way he wants. Did not we all see "Obstruction in plain sight"

Ken Starr, Leon Jarvorsky ,sp all spoke publicly after their report was done. Jerry Nadler fought tooth and nail to prevent Starr Report(on Clinton) to become public. He was the fox News personality for Clinton during that time. Jerry Nadler does not impress me.

Democrats are weak. I hope the new lot is better. I do despair

Elizabeth Warren looks better and better to me. I may have to become a socialist.
Annette

As a historian I'd like to think we can all look back in 15, 25, 50 years time and analyse Trump and agree it was a time when America lost it's way. My sincerest hope is that when he is gone you all find it again.

A severely conservative, severely right wing reaction to things like immigration policies, to terrorism and what I'd label knee jerk nationalism and knee jerk protectionism isn't unique to the US it's happening right across Europe, the UK and to a lesser degree countries like Australia too.

 

[arkieb1]

Some times the idea of liberal compromise goes something like this:
Lets punch you in the face
No thanks
How about we just compromise and just slap you in the face.
No thanks!
Conservatives wont compromise!
Well many conservatives have reached the point of just saying shove off.

As far as not responding to the threads really whats the point?
You want to rant about Trump.
Go for it I will just sit back and shake my head about all the energy being wasted.
Myself I would rather put my energies to helping people so see yas all in RT.

I think you could vote in pretty well any other right wing conservative and provided they were a decent person at the core I'd not have an issue with it. I'm not against conservatism and I understand why so many people voted for what Trump was and is selling but I think Trump himself is a very poor choice to be the leader of the free world.

Bill Clinton got a b@#*job from an intern and there was a massive outcry to impeach him, in fact the actual charges were "perjury" "obstruction of justice" and "abuse of power" and yet here you have Trump - a person that has done all that and then some, he has bought, threatened, bullied, lied, and engaged in criminal acts and you can't get rid of him.

And, many would vote him into power for a second term.....

A system that allows any person as corrupt as Trump to become their President, and allows them to remain there is inherently broken.

 

[Karl_K]

Talking about corruption:
If the DNC hadn't rigged the nomination process for Hillary maybe someone would have got the nomination who could have beat Trump.
It will be interesting to see if the DNC does the same thing again with the same result.

 

[Calliecake]

What we are watching happen to our democracy should be upsetting to everyone who lives in our country.

When the country elects a man like Trump into office, continues to defend him and act like everything we have seen the past 2 1/2 years is normal, more than our system is broken.

@Tekate, You are correct, right wingers NEVER answer a question.

 

[arkieb1]

Talking about corruption:
If the DNC hadn't rigged the nomination process for Hillary maybe someone would have got the nomination who could have beat Trump.
It will be interesting to see if the DNC does the same thing again with the same result.

Hillary has gone now, surely you cannot defend (or for that matter continue to vote for) a guy that paid and called in favours from Russians to rig the election so that he won. He was and is a criminal, with a long list of proven ties to the Mafia, ties to various stand over men, and don't get me started on the way he treats women. The person who marketed himself as a shining light of hope to represent honest decent working class people isn't honest or decent, he has never been poor or had to struggle for a dollar himself, and has a long record of ripping off and not paying his staff and workers fairly, and evading paying millions in taxes.

Make no mistake Trump doesn't represent god, his country, or indeed you the every day citizen - first and foremost he represents himself.

 

[Dancing Fire]

Biden could have had beaten Trump in 2016 but I'm afraid he's 4 yrs. too late.

 

[AGBF]

Biden could have had beaten Trump in 2016 but I'm afraid he's 4 yrs. too late.

Whether Biden could have won in the past or could, now, win is irrelevant to whether Trump is so terrible that he is an embarrassment to this country everywhere in the world and the torment of many Americans who grew up with a sound set of American values. (Even as I write "American values", I cringe because I think of some things America has done that I abhor like kick Salvador Allende out of office in Chile...but I digress.) At least we had democracy at home.

 

[House Cat]

Why on earth would conservatives respond to some of what is posted here? I do because sometimes I just DGAF, but mostly it's like Karl said, a waste of energy. Besides, what difference does it make?

None of what we do makes a difference anymore. Even voting doesn’t make a difference. We have Russian interference to take care of that.

Sometimes, I hope that a conservative will see what I am saying and that it will go straight to their heart. Sometimes, I want them to get as upset about Trump-land as I am. Why aren’t you people outraged by the buffoon in office or by the Russian interference with our election?

It goes against everything I believe in, so I do care. That’s why I talk about it, to vent my feelings. That’s healthy. It might not make a difference on a grand scale, but it makes a difference in my own wellbeing.

 

[redwood66]

None of what we do makes a difference anymore. Even voting doesn’t make a difference. We have Russian interference to take care ohat.

Sometimes, I hope that a conservative will see what I am saying and that it will go straight to their heart. Sometimes, I want them to get as upset about Trump-land as I am. Why aren’t you people outraged by the buffoon in office or by the Russian interference with our election?

It goes against everything I believe in, so I do care. That’s why I talk about it, to vent my feelings. That’s healthy. It might not make a difference on a grand scale, but it makes a difference in my own wellbeing.

This is fine for you. But don't assume that everyone has the need to vent or that they are not engaging in healthy habits because they don't rant/discuss on an internet forum. As has been discussed in the past, there are fundamental differences in how liberals and conservatives think and act. I don't care to answer your demeaning and derogatory question "Why aren’t you people outraged by the buffoon in office or by the Russian interference with our election?" I don't ask this type of question of you because IMO it is rude and an attempt to start a fight. I want to continue to like you as I do and that kind of engagement is not something I am interested in. I don't need to explain myself or my views over and over to a group of people who show no mutual respect either. This is why conservatives don't post here. No one wants discussion, they want echo chambers. - And the ability to bash a conservative on the internet, not saying all want this but some obviously do.

 

[arkieb1]

This is fine for you. But don't assume that everyone has the need to vent or that they are not engaging in healthy habits because they don't rant/discuss on an internet forum. As has been discussed in the past, there are fundamental differences in how liberals and conservatives think and act. I don't care to answer your demeaning and derogatory question "Why aren’t you people outraged by the buffoon in office or by the Russian interference with our election?" I don't ask this type of question of you because IMO it is rude and an attempt to start a fight. I want to continue to like you as I do and that kind of engagement is not something I am interested in. I don't need to explain myself or my views over and over to a group of people who show no mutual respect either. This is why conservatives don't post here. No one wants discussion, they want echo chambers. - And the ability to bash a conservative on the internet, not saying all want this but some obviously do.

I don't want to attack you, or Karl, or DF or anyone that is a conservative. As previously stated I'm the daughter of a staunch conservative and I'm married to a right wing conservative. I think what a number of people are saying is untrue, I've always gotten the strong sense that you don't like Trump the man any more than I do.

I'm not trying to single people out, I'm not trying to bash conservatives. We just voted in a Conservative Prime Minister in Australia a week ago and he is a VERY decent guy. I hope that in these discussions rather than anyone attacking anyone else we can have a civilised conversation about what a completely inappropriate choice Trump is as a world leader.

Yes, I know some of you think Hillary was an inappropriate choice too, you know what, I accept that, she lost, Trump won, what we are discussing here is did he do it fairly in a democratic manner and the answer is no. Irrespective of who else did what in that race, I, like so many of you, believe that the leaders of any country should stand for the best of what we are. Trump is none of those things.

 

[Matata]

Why aren’t you people outraged by the buffoon in office

Because they are just like him.

 

[redwood66]

I don't want to attack you, or Karl, or DF or anyone that is a conservative. As previously stated I'm the daughter of a staunch conservative and I'm married to a right wing conservative. I think what a number of people are saying is untrue, I've always gotten the strong sense that you don't like Trump the man any more than I do.

I'm not trying to single people out, I'm not trying to bash conservatives. We just voted in a Conservative Prime Minister in Australia a week ago and he is a VERY decent guy. I hope that in these discussions rather than anyone attacking anyone else we can have a civilised conversation about what a completely inappropriate choice Trump is as a world leader.

Yes, I know some of you think Hillary was an inappropriate choice too, you know what, I accept that, she lost, Trump won, what we are discussing here is did he do it fairly in a democratic manner and the answer is no. Irrespective of who else did what in that race, I, like so many of you, believe that the leaders of any country should stand for the best of what we are. Trump is none of those things.

Respectful discussion is always appreciated. And no I don't like Trump the man at all and never have. He is a buffoon. But some of the things he campaigned on are issues that many people agree with, otherwise he would not have been elected. I don't have confidence in government to handle much of anything without messing it up somehow so I am not a good Republican either.

 

[redwood66]

Because they are just like him.

And you people wonder why conservatives don't post here.

 

[arkieb1]

Respectful discussion is always appreciated. And no I don't like Trump the man at all and never have. He is a buffoon. But some of the things he campaigned on are issues that many people agree with, otherwise he would not have been elected. I don't have confidence in government to handle much of anything without messing it up somehow so I am not a good Republican either.

I know at least in my country neither side gets it right 100% of the time, and that's O.K. I totally get why so many people in the US wanted a change. The main point is, that I think we should all do our best to hold the people we elect to represent us to the highest standards possible. Trump doesn't meet those standards and people that believe he does have been lied to and mislead into thinking so.

 

[AGBF]

This is fine for you. But don't assume that everyone has the need to vent or that they are not engaging in healthy habits because they don't rant/discuss on an internet forum. As has been discussed in the past, there are fundamental differences in how liberals and conservatives think and act. I don't care to answer your demeaning and derogatory question "Why aren’t you people outraged by the buffoon in office or by the Russian interference with our election?" I don't ask this type of question of you because IMO it is rude and an attempt to start a fight. I want to continue to like you as I do and that kind of engagement is not something I am interested in. I don't need to explain myself or my views over and over to a group of people who show no mutual respect either. This is why conservatives don't post here. No one wants discussion, they want echo chambers. - And the ability to bash a conservative on the internet, not saying all want this but some obviously do.

I appreciated it that you said you felt for me, red. I can say that I believe I completely understand where you are coming from in this posting and that I, also, would feel demeaned if someone told me that only changing my views or preferred method of communicating would mean that I was on the side of right.