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My ring from WF has finally shipped. But worried...

mtran89 said:
The ring is actually for me :D.

At first, my soon-to-be fiance and I decided that we would let him design the ring so it would be a surprise for me. But when he got the first set of photos, I think he was soo confused and stressed. He knew the ring wasn't right, but he didn't know how to put it into words.

Afterwards another PS'r recommended I should look at the ring and be a part of the process, as it is an expensive purchase -- so I decided to look....and boy was I glad I looked!! I don't think he would've been able to do this on his own!! I guess i'm pretty picky :(
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Im sorry the ring journey hasn't been smooth sailing

But still, how excitting !
That ring is going to be perfect when its finally on your finger

Good luck and best wishes for a wondrous and long happy marriage to you and mtran89
 
I think all the „problems“ that we read about Whiteflash on Rocky Talk are never about the diamonds or their customer service, but more about the settings not being executed in a „perfect“ way. Whiteflash offer one of the best mrb diamonds out there, but they just aren’t a good fit for „picky“ setting buyers (which I’m as well).

In your case I would look at CvB she makes beautiful Tiffany repro settings (I think one is called the Jovyn).

I would have your Whiteflash ring sent to you. Then I would live with the setting and if it still annoys you get a CvB setting.
 
I agree it is not super knife-edgy. But they are not the most comfortable.

The picture of the classic knife-edge looks CAD to me -- way more severe than an elegant Tiffany-style. We had a handmade Tiffany style knife-edge made for spouse's 25 year-old ring and it is more pronounced than yours but way subtler than that Whiteflash classic.

I think the ring will be beautiful in person.

To me it looks like the stone nestles nicely in the basket; it's high because it's a big diamond. Spouse's sits a lot lower -- but it is half the size.

If it really bugs you, you can start all over with a lovely handmade -- with in-person conversations -- for $2K at a high-end jeweler. Seems a shame to delay the proposal. Also, I'm not familiar with a scheduled proposal :cool2:.
 
mtran89 said:
Thank you!!

I wonder why they told me that they could not set the diamond lower. I'm wondering if it is because they already made the head and if I wanted it lower they would have to remake the whole head again?

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They sent me this photo and I asked for the diamond to sit lower. I wanted the prongs to hug the diamond more(I wanted the angle of the side of the diamond similar to the angle of the prongs, so you don’t get that gap. I also wanted it lower for comfort.

Now that you brought this up and pointed it out as well, it also confirms what I was thinking. They just told me this is the lowest which I thought was odd...But I think it may be because they can’t just bend the prongs down, but they would have to remake the head.
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If I remember correctly, the insides of the prongs will be cut, once the height of the diamond is determined. Then prongs will grip the diamond at the predetermined height.

If the diamond cant be lowered, it might be because the depth of your diamond has reached the very bottom of the head. Unless there is a hole at the bottom of the head, for the diamond base to go through. it cant be lowered further.

I see if I can google the link of the diamond setting process so that it is easier to understand.
 
diamondseeker2006 said:
Setting the diamond lower will result in a squatty appearance and will also make it extremely hard to clean the diamond well. I used to have a photo of what I considered a poor Tiffany repro setting where the diamond was set too low, and I cannot find it.

My other piece of advice if you end up having someone else make the setting. Under no circumstances try to use any vendor who hasn't already made a ring exactly like you want. You'll probably end up disappointed again. Tiffany rings are cast, so there is no advantage to having that style handforged as far as the design goes.

I still think this ring is probably fine, as Mamajemmy has said from her own experience.
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i like my diamond to sit as high as possible, for easy access while cleaning.

You will be surprised at how quickly the amount of dirt and grime accumulates at the bottom of the base, and cause it to loose its shine and sparkle.
 
I really hope after all this time and waiting your ring exceeds your expectations. It looks beautiful to me, but if it’s not what you want then by all means you have a right to say so, especially at your price point or at any price point for that matter.

My ER when I was married before was custom made for me. I was disappointed with the outcome and I realized often times things get lost in translation and what I am conveying is not what they are perceiving. Even with drawings as I had in my case. Ironically enough I wasn’t even recreating the wheel with that setting. I also learned the simpler the setting the harder the translate for whatever reason.

Your stone is gorgeous! I truly hope you love it. GL!
 
I actually think the latest version of the ring looks really good! I kinda wish my stone was set the same height as yours because the stone is set higher in the actual Tiffany setting. I'm wondering if WF set the stone higher to try to achieve the same effect as @m-2-b's ring. Her ring holds a bigger stone so a smaller stone would need to bet set higher to get the same 'look'. Also keep in mind, you are looking at blown up picture of the ring so every minute detail is apparent. The actual ring will be much much smaller.
 
I do not see much of a knife edge at all. I hope in person it looks more pronounced. However, I suspect there was a misunderstanding in that when you told them to "smooth out the crease", that is what they mistakenly did to the knife edge.
 
Yeah I’m hoping once I see the ring in person, the height of the diamond will be okay.

I am just pretty sure that I won’t be happy with the rounded knife edge. It just wasn’t the look I was going for. Maybe it will be an easy fix making the knife edge more pronounced by taking down the sides of the shank? I’ll ask Vera to see if it’s possible, or if the shank would need to be redone completely. I think my shank has a lower profile than Tiffany though, so I might not be able to create that sharp knife edge.

When I tried on the Tiffany setting I was just in awe with their setting. The knife edge was sharp and defined, so it reflected light is such a way that the shank looked so thin and almost “invisible”. Its hard to describe. I guess that’s what I was hoping for and I really don’t think my setting will do that.

These are some photos of when I tried on the Tiffany ring.

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mtran89 said:
Maybe it will be an easy fix making the knife edge more pronounced by taking down the sides of the shank?
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This is a good thought, above. I don't know if that's possible given their level of expertise -- I think of doing that with the wax before and not with a grinder after. My recollection is that the band becomes narrow (less finger coverage) and taller (more knife-y) as the band meets the basket. My spouse's "faux" Tiffany knife-edge is like that. We loved it when it was finally re-set a few years ago but honestly don't even notice it anymore.
 
headlight said:
What I love about this is how much this person wants something to be so specific for their beloved... my husband has no clue about all the deets!
Unfortunately, this is the downside of ordering online. But this can happen even when you work directly, in person, with a jeweler. I have, sadly, been disappointed many times.
Even for the mountings in my avatar (which are the exact same mounting), if you see in person they were not set the same. They were acquired through different jewelers and neither arrived set per my requests (which included photos). They both deviated but in different ways (one set too high, one too low!).
I don’t know if VC will make a setting for a stone purchased elsewhere (didn’t we just have a thread on this?). I think you should propose and live with it for a little bit. You may end up liking it. Also, as an FYI, with regard to sharp knife edge rings, they aren’t all too comfortable- just saying!
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Yeah I guess VC won’t set my stone. I went on the live chat and inquired and was told that it’s unusual to request to have a setting made for my H&A with another H&A vendor. They said it’s like going to Mercedes and asking them to make a car using a BMW engine.

Kind of a odd response I think...
 
mtran89 said:
Yeah I guess VC won’t set my stone. I went on the live chat and inquired and was told that it’s unusual to request to have a setting made for my H&A with another H&A vendor. They said it’s like going to Mercedes and asking them to make a car using a BMW engine.

Kind of a odd response I think...
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So strange... I can understand having a blanket policy of not setting other H&A's... however, VC has done it in the past (for me included) so I'm not sure what determines his willingness/ability to accommodate another stone? Is it time of year/business? Quality of the stone? Price of the setting?

Also, of course it's a matter of personal preference and you'll be the one wearing the knife edge, but I agree with @headlight that a knife edge wouldn't be comfortable...
 
@mtran89 Have you looked into the Vatche U113 setting? That setting has a much sharper knife edge. A lot of folks on PS have the U113. That might be an option for you if the WF setting does not work out.
 
mtran89 said:
Your ring is absolutely stunning. The setting is done to perfection. I kept showing them your ring and wanting the same style prongs. The way the prongs swoop is so elegant and beautiful.

Yours doesn't have that gap between the prongs and the diamond like mine does as well. :(
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Actually, even m-2-b's diamond has a gap between the prongs and diamond. I definitely would not set it super low. I have an 8 prong setting from CVB, and taking a close look, while it looks like the diamond is set low, I can still see a very small gap between the stone and prongs. I think I told Cassie that I didn't want it set high, but otherwise left it to her and her bench to determine the best height to highlight the diamond. But, I get not having a setting to your satisfaction. Who wants to settle?

It's going to look far more delicate in person - and if it still isn't to your satisfaction, as people have said, you can get a custom one done elsewhere or closer to you. The stone is gorgeous, and even without the sharpest knife edge, I'm going to bet that your ring is still going to look its best the way its set.
 
CareBear said:
@mtran89 Have you looked into the Vatche U113 setting? That setting has a much sharper knife edge. A lot of folks on PS have the U113. That might be an option for you if the WF setting does not work out.
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Yep, might be best to just order the Vatche U113 if the WF setting ends up not to your liking. A lot of PSers think it is very close to the real Tiffany setting (although I find it a bit daintier/thinner than the Tiff). It is good quality and can be purchased through WF.
 
mtran89 said:
Yeah I guess VC won’t set my stone. I went on the live chat and inquired and was told that it’s unusual to request to have a setting made for my H&A with another H&A vendor. They said it’s like going to Mercedes and asking them to make a car using a BMW engine.

Kind of a odd response I think...
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:cry2: I’m so sorry! His settings look so nice. Is your WF diamond new? You could have VC source a stone for you. I bought a stone from VC and I really like it - I did a post on it. He is making the setting now. I’m having a really complicated setting and I told him I was a bit anxious and he told me 2 weeks from start to finish. But, that would mean starting over which may be hard. I’m crossing my fingers hoping that your ring is everything you want.
 
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I have looked at the Vatche setting and it was one of the settings I originally wanted to go with.

Before purchasing my diamond, I actually found a jeweller in Canada that said they do repair work for Tiffany and are very familiar with that setting. He said he could remake the setting “to a t”

I did look at VC diamonds as well previously, but they didn’t have anything around the specs I was looking for. I really love the diamond we chose and don’t think I would return it because of the setting.

Ideally...I hope I end up loving my WF setting though! I will update with photos once my SO proposes :)
 
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I came back to look again. I think that once you receive it that you will love it. I looked through the photos again and I do see the knife edge. I actually think it's an illusion of the photos. I have many times looked at super blown up vendor pictures and thought that I saw issues that didn't exist once the ring arrived. I am super picky and I know if something bugs me it will always bug me. However, I have learned to wait to decide once I receive the ring because it can be an illusion of lighting and photo angles. Many times I am blown away opening a box when I was sure I would be disappointed. I hope when it arrives it is perfect. Also, I think that the prongs and setting of the diamond are perfect!
 
mtran89 said:
Yeah I guess VC won’t set my stone. I went on the live chat and inquired and was told that it’s unusual to request to have a setting made for my H&A with another H&A vendor. They said it’s like going to Mercedes and asking them to make a car using a BMW engine.

Kind of a odd response I think...
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The Vatche U-113 setting is a pretty close approximation of the Tiffany setting, more so than WF's classic setting. Have you looked at that one?
 
mtran89 said:
These are some photos of when I tried on the Tiffany ring.

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The original Tiffany knife edge setting is stunning. Simple but oh so elegant and timeless. The ring you tried look perfect on your hand. Is the center stone also close to 3 carat?

Like others posters mentioned I would probably have your stone set in a Vatche u-113 six prong setting.
 
I like the new version of your ring. You don't want the culet to touch metal on the bottom. You get the full effect of the diamond and it is much easier to clean. I hope the knife edge is to your liking; I personally find them a bit uncomfortable but the heart wants what the heart wants! Can't wait to see hand shots.
 
Cristallo said:
The original Tiffany knife edge setting is stunning. Simple but oh so elegant and timeless. The ring you tried look perfect on your hand. Is the center stone also close to 3 carat?

Like others posters mentioned I would probably have your stone set in a Vatche u-113 six prong setting.
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I think by trying on the Tiffany setting, the bar was just set so high right from the start. I bet if I didn’t try it on, I wouldn’t have been so picky now!

It was a 2.5 carat in the photo :)

Ahh maybe I should have just got the Vatche setting in the beginning.
 
mtran89 said:
I think by trying on the Tiffany setting, the bar was just set so high right from the start. I bet if I didn’t try it on, I wouldn’t have been so picky now!

It was a 2.5 carat in the photo :)

Ahh maybe I should have just got the Vatche setting in the beginning.
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You can still get the Vatche setting. The good news is you love the diamond and the setting dilemma can be worked out.
 
I am sorry. It sounded like you know exactly what you want for a setting, but from the picture it looks like it is not quite it.
 
OP
These things are expensive and you have every right not to settle. I am surprised that Brian from WF has not come along on this thread. I know he wants you to be 100% happy. That WF is busy, or has lots of work, means nothing to me. You have a right to be heard and for them to get it right The way you want it. They have an excellent reputation here on PS and they don’t want negative feedback. Again, surprised that Brian has not come along onto this thread.
 
La2020 said:
If I remember correctly, the insides of the prongs will be cut, once the height of the diamond is determined. Then prongs will grip the diamond at the predetermined height.

If the diamond cant be lowered, it might be because the depth of your diamond has reached the very bottom of the head. Unless there is a hole at the bottom of the head, for the diamond base to go through. it cant be lowered further.

I see if I can google the link of the diamond setting process so that it is easier to understand.
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Here is the linky:
 
There’s definitely a sharp angle in the finished photos (black reflection from the camera?)... I hope that the finished ring arrived and it is what you wanted, OP!

The reflection that I’m seeing is on the right shank, btw.
 
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