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Need a little help! Looked hard and wide for a good Diamond!

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thepiks07

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looking to surprise my lady with a nice rock. I'm going to be sending it to Victor C. But I really want to find a loose rock that is a great one! Can you guys look at this report and tell me if you see anything wrong with this one? Much, much thanks! I need some professional help :)

specs of rock -
http://i.imgur.com/4sRK0gx.png
 
Re: Need a little help! Looked hard and wide for a good Diam

Picture?
 
Re: Need a little help! Looked hard and wide for a good Diam

I currently dont have a picture. I will see it in person once it ships to my retailer, but I was helping him search for a good one. Does this one have potential? He can order it in and we can look before we have to purchase. I just thought it sounded really good on paper
 
Re: Need a little help! Looked hard and wide for a good Diam

T = 55%
D = 62%
CA = 34.2
PA = 40.7
culet = 0
HCA score = .9 E/E/E/VG
crown height is 15.3%, so it's not a low flat crown.

^That's the Holloway Cut adviser score. It's under 2 ,so that says it has potential to be a great stone. But it has an EGL USA grading report F VS2. I am wondering why it was sent to EGL when the Holloway adviser shows it could get AGS 000 or GIA excellent instead? EGL is known to sometimes be several grades soft on grade. Like F color could really be GIA H or I, and VS 2 clarity like GIS SI1 or SI2.

Need to see an ASET and ideal scope image and maybe a hearts & arrows viewer images, too. And what is the price?
 
Re: Need a little help! Looked hard and wide for a good Diam

Numbers are all in spec, so why did it not go to GIA for a largeish colorless stone? Egl usa is not too soft on grading so.... maybe girdle brillianteering?
 
Re: Need a little help! Looked hard and wide for a good Diam

GIA and AGS are more of the standard for diamonds as noted before EGL USA is a little soft on color.
 
Re: Need a little help! Looked hard and wide for a good Diam

I would not buy an EGL stone without a VERY good INDEPENDENT appraisal.

If you are shopping in person make sure you have a bullet proof return policy of at least 7 days and take it to an appraiser in that time person.


Honestly, I wouldn't buy an EGL stone at all, to be frank.

Please take your time and read these links so you make an educated decision:
[URL='https://www.pricescope.com/community/threads/egl-certification-are-any-of-them-ok.142863/']https://www.pricescope.com/community/threads/egl-certification-are-any-of-them-ok.142863/[/URL]
 
Re: Need a little help! Looked hard and wide for a good Diam

finally got a picture, can you guys tell anything from it? I will def gets n independent appraiser. But wanted to see if you guys could give some thoughts first before I go that far. Bc I would have to get the funds together before I could get the 7 day return guarantee

http://i.imgur.com/t8uIg8T.jpg
 
Re: Need a little help! Looked hard and wide for a good Diam

There's no much we can tell you from that picture. It's a mug shot. We'd need an idealscope image. And you need to have it checked by a good INDEPENDENT appraiser for color.

Why are you buying EGL then going for a super high priced setting? I don't understand.
 
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Would be nice to see an IS/ASET to confirm. Also keep in mind Im no expert so take my opinion with a grain of salt, but that looks like a mediocre cut job to me. Some of the arrows look more like paddles and the symmetry seems to be low. I hope someone proves me wrong, but this combined with the EGL cert equals a pass for me.
 
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Gypsy|1396389860|3645364 said:
There's no much we can tell you from that picture. It's a mug shot. We'd need an idealscope image. And you need to have it checked by a good INDEPENDENT appraiser for color.

Why are you buying EGL then going for a super high priced setting? I don't understand.
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Trying to just get best bang for my buck here on the loose stone. I think this one is priced @ $18,600. Setting will roughly only be around $4,000 so the diamond is a much larger purchase. I am for sure open to other diamonds, just seeing if I stumbled upon a great deal here.
 
Re: Need a little help! Looked hard and wide for a good Diam

Most people here would probably say that there is too much risk in purchasing an EGL diamond because you don't know what you're going to get, especially if you're going to invest 18k in a stone. For what it's worth, at least the angles look good and put it in TIC range on the HCA scale.
 
Re: Need a little help! Looked hard and wide for a good Diam

If a deal seems to good to be true, most likely it is. the weight, color and clarity of that diamond with a cut as good as it seems to say it is should command a much higher price. Something is probably a bit off on it which is why it is not GIA certified. A stone with those specs should be in the mid $20K range. The F color really bumps up the price considerably.

Go G/H Color and Stick to VS2 or something eye clean a bit lower.
 
Re: Need a little help! Looked hard and wide for a good Diam

Are you near a good independent appraiser? You have to go to an Independent appraiser, that's key.
If so, take the diamond in and see what they say.

You can also do what I did which is to have your diamond sent to Neil Beaty for evaluation: http://www.americangemregistry.com/ if there is no good appraiser near you.


http://www.jamesallen.com/loose-diamonds/round-cut/1.90-carat-h-color-si1-clarity-excellent-cut-sku-265866 You can get this diamond in and compare it to that one, and see what you think. Beautiful stone and about the same price.

Scores well on the HCA and JA can provide you with an idealscope image.
 
Re: Need a little help! Looked hard and wide for a good Diam

thank you guys for all the info. The diamond if purchased does come with a 7 day return policy, I might buy it and then take it to an independent appraiser like Gypsy recommended. Thanks again!
 
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Gypsy said:
Honestly, I wouldn't buy an EGL stone at all, to be frank.
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Re: Need a little help! Looked hard and wide for a good Diam

Make sure the return policy says FULL REFUND. Explicitly.

Also 7 days isn't a great return policy, but it's better than nothing.

Where are you located, maybe we can help you find a good appraiser.
 
Re: Need a little help! Looked hard and wide for a good Diam

Run it through the HCA. Please read below.

The entire purpose of faceting a diamond is to reflect light.
How well or how poorly a diamond does this determines how beautiful it is.
How well a diamond performs is determined by the angles and cutting. This is why we say cut is king.
No other factor: not color, not clarity has as much of an impact on the appearance of a diamond as its cut. An ideal H will out white a poorly cut F. And GIA Ex is not enough.
So how to we ensure that we have the right angles and cutting to get the light performance we want?
https://www.pricescope.com/wiki/diamonds/diamond-cut
Well one method is to start with a GIA Ex, and then apply the HCA to it. YOU DO NOT USE HCA for AGS0 stones.
https://www.pricescope.com/wiki/diamonds/holloway-cut-advisor
The HCA is a rejection tool. Not a selection tool. It uses 4 data points to make a rudimentary call on how the diamond may perform.
If the diamond passes then you know that you are in the right zone in terms of angles for light performance. Under 2 is a pass. Under 2.5-2.1 is a maybe. Over 2.5 is a no. No score under 2 is better than any other.
Is that enough? Not really.
So what you need is a way to check actual light performance of your actual stone.
That's what an idealscope image does. https://www.pricescope.com/wiki/diamonds/firescope-idealscope
It shows you how and wear your diamond is reflecting light, how well it is going at it, and where you are losing light return. That is why you won't see us recommending Blue Nile, as they do not provide idealscope images for their diamonds. James Allen, Victor Canera, ERD, BGD, WF, GOG, HPD and WF do.

The Idealscope is the 'selection tool'. Not the HCA.
So yes, with a GIA stone you need the idealscope images. Or you can buy an idealscope yourself and take it in to the jeweler you are working with to check the stones yourself. Or if you have a good return policy (full refund minimum 7 days) then you can buy the idealscope, buy the stone, and do it at home.


Now if you want to skip all that... stick to AGS0 stones and then all you have to do is pick color and clarity and you know you have a great performing diamond. Because AGS has already done the checking for you. That's why they trade at a premium.
 
Re: Need a little help! Looked hard and wide for a good Diam

I did the HCA test before I looked at the pictures. It scores a 1.9.

Here is another option this one scored a 1.3 and is slightly larger @ 1.9 carats. Check out this 3d image (you can turn it - very cool)
my only reservations about this one is you can see a couple feathers (imperfections even in this image) I know it is blown way large, but would I be able to see these in real life? Also, what are your thoughts on the sparkle?

http://snet1.r2net.com/Publish/?mid=2134&guid=29DA1BC7-8887-47D4-822F-BB5C938C3F63
 
Re: Need a little help! Looked hard and wide for a good Diam

The link on the James Allen page wouldn't show up in my browser, so they emailed me the video. Do you see the imperfections on the face as it spins? Will I be able to see that in person? Or am i only seeing it bc it is blown up in magnification?
 
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