Need Help Selecting a Princess Cut ring!!!

[CasaBlanca]

Before I found PS...I thought all there was to know was some silly alphabet letters denoting color...and of course D is best...and some more letters that indicated clarity some s's and some v's and perhaps a few i's...and then CARAT. What else is there?

Oh, I also thought 1 carat meant the same size...so every one carat stone would be exactly the same measurement. Like a pound of sugar..is a pound of sugar. Or like large eggs and extra large and jumbo...there was a sorter that the diamonds fell through and that was the sorting process.

It is quite possible that he assumes everyone chooses a stone with carat, color, clarity, and the new C...country. I mean it is possible. And if it is possible, he is indeed a stubborn one not willing to listen to anything other than the old school ways. How many people shopping in the mall know any thing more than the 4C's? And just why is cut so important anyway? It has obviously already BEEN cut.

For this particular OP...Perhaps there is a language barrier? Lost in translation?

 

[princessns]

maybe there is a language/country barrier....cuase you guys are confusing me. here is canada country of origin is huge and for sure the 5th "c"....canadian diamonds are sold at a premium and considered the best in the world and marketed that way so a lot of the girls want one. my girlfrind wants a canadian diamond or one from a country that is conflict free so Russia is ok but Africa is out.

the local jeweler i am dealing with has been in business for over 20 years and tells me he brings in only quality diamonds of VS2 or better and F color or better. The diamond he has that I call ring #2 is very sparkly but its a loose diamond so he would need to put it on the setting ( the price i gave you incldues the setting though)

as i already said there are no lab reports just the specs I gave you guys which some of you should be able to give me all other things being equal an idea if ring #2 is worth that much more....again if all things being equal. basically you answered my worries of the russian diamond which is who cares about where it comes from.....so all i am asking is if all things are being equal is the price for ring #2 sound like it should cost that much more based on the specs and the better cut? Let me tell you ring #2 is a jewel and the specs are for real, it is an excellent cut and it is an E color and a VS2.....so is $1400 more a good deal or should a diamond with these specs over ring #1 specs only cost like $500 more? or is $1400 a good deal and i am lucky its not $2000+ more? let me know your thoughts. thanks guys

 

[SpareMyWallet]

There are many reasons for why the members here are asking for a lab report. Not because they do not think it is real. Not to prove it is really a VS1 or really a F color. The lab report gives dimensions of the diamond. Not just the width, but several measurements and angles they are RELEVANT to the overall performance and VALUE of the diamond.


Either way you are going to get ripped off. I''ll be blunt. So go with the more expensive stone, because it speaks to you more from what I can interpret.

 

[stone-cold11]

With the Kimberly process, there is no blood diamond sold legally anywhere in the West, so all that conflict free stuff are really just marketing.

With regards to grading, a stone graded by AGS/GIA will be sold about 25% or more over a non AGS/GIA graded stone, which is in turn sold for more over an in-house graded stone like the Russian stone you are referring to, for the same Cs, depending on the Cs, the larger, better color and clarity stone the greater the price difference. So do you think any sane jeweler will be selling the russian diamond at that price if he can sell it for a much higher price simply by sending it to AGS/GIA lab for grading for a fee of around $150 USD?

 

[princessns]

what a joke this board is...you guys gave me no help or very little, i gave you specs and you could not even give me opinions on which one was better?!? I went out today and bought ring # 2....its a gorgeous stone and was worth it and is in an awesome 19 kt white gold tiffany setting.

 

[yssie]

Date: 2/12/2010 6:28:33 PM
Author: princessns
what a joke this board is...you guys gave me no help or very little, i gave you specs and you could not even give me opinions on which one was better?!? I went out today and bought ring # 2....its a gorgeous stone and was worth it and is in an awesome 19 kt white gold tiffany setting.

Congratulations on your purchase, princess.



Millions of people have found this board helpful, so you are rather a unique specimen. I honestly think most of us just gave up. I wish you well for the future.

 

[SpareMyWallet]

Date: 2/12/2010 6:28:33 PM
Author: princessns
what a joke this board is...you guys gave me no help or very little, i gave you specs and you could not even give me opinions on which one was better?!? I went out today and bought ring # 2....its a gorgeous stone and was worth it and is in an awesome 19 kt white gold tiffany setting.

May God have mercy on your soul.

 

[Rhea]

We''re able to help as much as we are helped and given information from you.

I''m glad you were able to make a decision that you''re happy with. Best of luck to you.

 

[Dreamer_D]

I am very surprised that you are so ungrateful. It seems to me that a lot of people took the time to give you information, you just did not want to hear it.

I hope your proposal goes well and wish you all the best.

 

[Lestat]

Date: 2/12/2010 6:28:33 PM
Author: princessns
you guys gave me no help or very little

There are none so blind as those who will not see.

 

[Lorelei]

Date: 2/12/2010 6:28:33 PM
Author: princessns
what a joke this board is...you guys gave me no help or very little, i gave you specs and you could not even give me opinions on which one was better?!? I went out today and bought ring # 2....its a gorgeous stone and was worth it and is in an awesome 19 kt white gold tiffany setting.

Unfortunately thats it - we couldn''t give you any meaningful opinions on so little information but I am glad you are happy with your purchase.

 

[princessns]

yeah but you guys need to realize 99% of guys are like me when buying a ring and base the purchase on the 4 c''s....thats how guys buy diamonds and i gave you guys the specs and no one on here could even make some suggestions on those specs which is pretty sad considering this is sappose to be a site for that. i can tell people that a excellent cut , E color and VS2 clarity diamond all things being equal is better then a very good cut, I color and SI clarity stone and is worth more $$$ and not one of you was able to give some feedback like that which is sad.

 

[Lorelei]

Date: 2/13/2010 8:50:39 AM
Author: princessns
yeah but you guys need to realize 99% of guys are like me when buying a ring and base the purchase on the 4 c's....thats how guys buy diamonds and i gave you guys the specs and no one on here could even make some suggestions on those specs which is pretty sad considering this is sappose to be a site for that. i can tell people that a excellent cut , E color and VS2 clarity diamond all things being equal is better then a very good cut, I color and SI clarity stone and is worth more $$$ and not one of you was able to give some feedback like that which is sad.

Princess, maybe this will help you understand why we couldn't help you very much. These are the minimum specs we need when helping someone who prefers to shop from a brick and mortar store.

1) We have to know the type of lab report the diamond has or does not have, for example does the diamond have a GIA,
AGS, EGL report or does it not have a lab report at all. This is essential to know as when you say a diamond is E colour
and VS2 clarity, according to the type of lab report this grading may or may not be accurate and as such affects price/ .
value.

2) Excellent cut; according to whom??? Cut labels such as Excellent are often vendor applied, we have no way of knowing
what criteria the vendor uses to describe a diamond as excellently cut - nor do we know the skills and experience of the
vendor assigning the cut grade. The chances are the diamond isn't excellently cut at all and I certainly would not
encourage anyone coming here for advice to accept this description at face value as any guarantee of cut quality.

3) Princess can't be properly evaluated by numbers but the basic proportions are needed in order to give a chalk outline of
the diamond at least. This info is normally available from the grading report and it will give a basic idea of whether a
diamond is worth further consideration. The info needed is the depth%, table% and also the clarity characteristics as
noted on the report and the girdle thickness. When working online we can often get images from the posters of the
diamonds they areinterested in, when working with buyers from brick and mortar stores images normally aren't available
so the info mentioned above is really all we have to go by but it can be enough as a first round screening tool.

4) Which diamond is the best deal? Absolutely no way to tell as we have no idea of the accuracy of the grading, cut quality
and various other factors that can influence price such as fluorescence, risk factors for potential durability such as very
thin girdles and so on.

For the most part, every other poster who has come to us for advice has been willing to try to get us the information above. If you prefer not to do so then thats fine but I hope the above helps you understand why we were not able to offer you much assistance. Pricescope has an excellent reputation for helping others and the regular posters such as myself cannot responsibly offer you any meaningful advice with such limited info to work with in order to keep that good reputation we have worked so hard to earn. And very importantly, we don't want to mislead you with such an expensive and important
purchase.

I hope you enjoy your purchase and that the proposal goes well, best of luck to you!

 

[princessns]

well thanks for the help you gave, i''m just saying a lot of guys go with just the 4 c''s. I am hapy with the diamond i got i beleive its the specs the local guy is telling me and he;s been in business for over 20 years. it sparkles as much as a princess cut can so i cant complain and the price i paid for the quality is quite low as mall store would charge double for the quality i got here in canada. enjoy the olympics go canada go


peace out

 

[Lorelei]

Date: 2/13/2010 9:26:52 AM
Author: princessns
well thanks for the help you gave, i'm just saying a lot of guys go with just the 4 c's. I am hapy with the diamond i got i beleive its the specs the local guy is telling me and he;s been in business for over 20 years. it sparkles as much as a princess cut can so i cant complain and the price i paid for the quality is quite low as mall store would charge double for the quality i got here in canada. enjoy the olympics go canada go


peace out

Enjoy your purchase and good luck with your future plans

 

[stone-cold11]

You choose to believe him, we cannot because we didn''t see the stone that is why we cannot give you any extra help based on what you gave us. And for your record, me and approximately have the posters here are guys.

 

[Lestat]

Date: 2/13/2010 9:26:52 AM
Author: princessns
well thanks for the help you gave, i''m just saying a lot of guys go with just the 4 c''s. I am hapy with the diamond i got i beleive its the specs the local guy is telling me and he;s been in business for over 20 years. it sparkles as much as a princess cut can so i cant complain and the price i paid for the quality is quite low as mall store would charge double for the quality i got here in canada. enjoy the olympics go canada go

peace out

This forum is about education and making a smart purchase, not about blindly believing what your jewellery store is telling you. Don''t you think there''s a bit of conflict of interest going on when the person selling you the diamond also is the one who''s grading the cut, color and clarity? There''s no certificate, so they can tell you it''s anything they want. There''s no law against being a few grades off. There''s countless posts on this forum from people who were misled by jewellery stores if you would have taken the time to read a bit. You''re the one who decided to believe them, you say you believe the specs are accurate, but how would you even know?

Do you honestly think someone would sell you a diamond for half the price they could get for it? If this person has been in the business for over 20 years, don''t you think they know how much a diamond is really worth? You''ve already been told this, but why wouldn''t they send it to be certified and graded by a reputable lab like GIA or AGS if it''s a good diamond? Certified stones are worth much more, and certification costs very little. There''s very likely a good reason why it''s not certified. Again, someone in the business for 20 years should know if a diamond is worth having certified, and which lab to send it to. Those "specs" you have there are meaningless and very likely inaccurate.

All diamonds sparkle in a jewellery store under all those bright lights, and how can you say it sparkles as much as possible when you''ve got no great diamonds to compare it with?

You say you can say it''s a E VS2 excellent cut, but where''s your proof? Oh, you don''t have any. Well I can say my old Toyota hatchback is a BMW, but anyone who knows anything about cars will soon find out the truth. Don''t you have a used car inspected by someone trustworthy before you buy? Would you just trust the private seller to tell you everything?

Anyway, the horse has already bolted on this one, and hopefully you''ve somehow lucked out against all odds and this diamond is actually what your vendor says it is, but all I can say is that I''m just glad I''m in the "1%" of men that do their research. Good luck with your proposal, I hope it all goes well.