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Hi i am about to buy my girlfriend a e-ring and have done some research but need your opinions which of these 2 princess-cut diamond rings i should choose and is the better deal/value. I dont have all the specs but the main ones. I live in Canada by the way so prices here tend to be higher. Here are my choices:

Ring # 1 - 0.70 carat Canadian Diamond, SI1, I color, Very Good Cut, 18KT white gold from a jeweler in the mall for $3999.00 tax in

Ring # 2 - 0.76 carat Russian Diamond, VS2, E color, Excellent Cut, 19KT white gold from a local private jeweler for $ 5400.00 tax in

they are both nice rings though # 2 does shine more and is more clear. I like to know what you guys think, is ring # 2 worth the extra $1400? Are diamonds from Russia any good compared to a diamond from Canada? I guess i am a little nervous about a diamond coming from Russia....should I be?


Any help would be appreciated from this rookie buyer!!

thanks
 
Unless you're talking about complicated settings, those prices are exorbitant - and there's quite a bit of cut info missing (though if you've seen them in person that's the most important thing, as always). Are the two diamonds AGS graded? AGS is the only lab that will grade princess cuts, so if not they're in house cut grades which may or may not match AGS' standards.


Here's a top of the line 0.75 H VS2 for 2500 http://www.whiteflash.com/aca_princess/whiteflash-aca-princess-cut-diamond-2231277.htm


Or a 0.71 E VS1 for 3400 http://www.whiteflash.com/aca_princess/whiteflash-aca-princess-cut-diamond-2231083.htm



ETA: I missed that you're probably buying in canada - I don't know how the prices translate, oops!
 
No way to tell without image.

Get yourself an ASET scope and learn how to use it? Or hire an independent appraiser to look at both stone?
 
thanks but i would like opinions on these 2 stones and the fact that one is from Russia....i dont beleive i will buy online so its down to one of these. thanks guys!
 
Date: 2/9/2010 5:44:49 PM
Author:princessns
Hi i am about to buy my girlfriend a e-ring and have done some research but need your opinions which of these 2 princess-cut diamond rings i should choose and is the better deal/value. I dont have all the specs but the main ones. I live in Canada by the way so prices here tend to be higher. Here are my choices:

Ring # 1 - 0.70 carat Canadian Diamond, SI1, I color, Very Good Cut, 18KT white gold from a jeweler in the mall for $3999.00 tax in

Ring # 2 - 0.76 carat Russian Diamond, VS2, E color, Excellent Cut, 19KT white gold from a local private jeweler for $ 5400.00 tax in

they are both nice rings though # 2 does shine more and is more clear. I like to know what you guys think, is ring # 2 worth the extra $1400? Are diamonds from Russia any good compared to a diamond from Canada? I guess i am a little nervous about a diamond coming from Russia....should I be?


Any help would be appreciated from this rookie buyer!!

thanks
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I''m am no where near the expert, but I recently received help on the same thing. I ended up purchasing a .701 carat, SI1 eye clean, H color, ASA princess cut (best cut), diamond for $1900 from Whiteflash.com. I ended up paying around $3000 total with the setting (18k yellow gold). A comparable ring at a very high end B&M had a cost of over $5200!

If you haven''t done so yet, I would definitely look into doing an ering. You will get better quality and better value. Whiteflash has an excellent trade-in program that 99% of B&Ms don''t have. Other PS vendors do also.
 
Date: 2/9/2010 6:52:00 PM
Author: princessns
thanks but i would like opinions on these 2 stones and the fact that one is from Russia....i dont beleive i will buy online so its down to one of these. thanks guys!
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My apologies....didn''t see that you weren''t going to buy online.

Good luck!
 
Unfortunately, you''re not going to get a lot of advice with the data you''ve provided.

Do you know who graded the diamonds? Telling us that they''re from Russia or Canada doesn''t say much
Any pics, Sarin or Idealcope images to share?

Good luck!
 
Date: 2/9/2010 6:52:00 PM
Author: princessns
thanks but i would like opinions on these 2 stones and the fact that one is from Russia....i dont beleive i will buy online so its down to one of these. thanks guys!
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It makes no difference if it is from Russia. I have no idea why they are advertising its source like that, must be a marketing gimmick.

We cannot help you to assess the cut quality of these diamonds without seeing images, since princess cuts are not "by the numbers" the way that round cuts are. So I am sorry to say you are on your own. The thing we can tell you is that they are very overpriced relative to what you can get online.

Have you shopped around at lots of jewelers? I am Canadian, and there are plenty of diamonds available here
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I would also like to add that many Canadians have used PS to find well priced diamonds online from US vendors. You would save about $1500 and probably get a nicer diamond as well. But obviously, it is up to you.
 
Date: 2/9/2010 5:44:49 PM
Author:princessns
Hi i am about to buy my girlfriend a e-ring and have done some research but need your opinions which of these 2 princess-cut diamond rings i should choose and is the better deal/value. I dont have all the specs but the main ones. I live in Canada by the way so prices here tend to be higher. Here are my choices:

Ring # 1 - 0.70 carat Canadian Diamond, SI1, I color, Very Good Cut, 18KT white gold from a jeweler in the mall for $3999.00 tax in

Ring # 2 - 0.76 carat Russian Diamond, VS2, E color, Excellent Cut, 19KT white gold from a local private jeweler for $ 5400.00 tax in

they are both nice rings though # 2 does shine more and is more clear. I like to know what you guys think, is ring # 2 worth the extra $1400? Are diamonds from Russia any good compared to a diamond from Canada? I guess i am a little nervous about a diamond coming from Russia....should I be?


Any help would be appreciated from this rookie buyer!!

thanks
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Hi Princess

The suggestion to buy an ASET would be very helpful to you, here is a link. They are simple to use with a little practise and the results are also straightforward to interpret with some study, if you are concerned with cut quality and prefer not to buy online, this is your best bet.
 
thanks for the feedback so far....can some of you give me opinions on the 2 stones i have mentioned though? which one is the better deal?
 
Better deal in terms of what? Which lab graded these stones? If they are not from the same lab, are the grade even on the same scale?
 
Date: 2/9/2010 5:44:49 PM
Author:princessns
Hi i am about to buy my girlfriend a e-ring and have done some research but need your opinions which of these 2 princess-cut diamond rings i should choose and is the better deal/value. I dont have all the specs but the main ones. I live in Canada by the way so prices here tend to be higher. Here are my choices:

Ring # 1 - 0.70 carat Canadian Diamond, SI1, I color, Very Good Cut, 18KT white gold from a jeweler in the mall for $3999.00 tax in

Ring # 2 - 0.76 carat Russian Diamond, VS2, E color, Excellent Cut, 19KT white gold from a local private jeweler for $ 5400.00 tax in

they are both nice rings though # 2 does shine more and is more clear. I like to know what you guys think, is ring # 2 worth the extra $1400? Are diamonds from Russia any good compared to a diamond from Canada? I guess i am a little nervous about a diamond coming from Russia....should I be?


Any help would be appreciated from this rookie buyer!!

thanks
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Princess, unfortunately we can't really tell you which is the best deal with such limited information and even then we can't really give any meaningful advice concerning the cut quality. Your best bet would be to make sure you get a good return policy ( in writing) and get an independant appraiser's opinion on the cut and overall quality. Also it is important to know which lab graded these diamonds, was it GIA?
 
No one can tell you which is the better stone based on the information that you''ve provided. Which lab graded the stone makes a huge difference as not all labs are equal. Since you''re set on one of those two stones and have seen them both buy whichever you think looks the nicest. I''d make sure you have a good return policy and get it appraised.
 
sorry these are the only specs i have, i wish i had more and lab reports but i dont have that stuff cant get it....please give me your opinions on the specs I have given...is #2 worth the extra $$$.....is a diamond from Russia ok to buy? Thanks guys,
 
Ask the vendor for the grading reports.
 
The specs that you''ve provided don''t matter, colour and clarity are personal preference and budget related entirely. Very good and excellent cut are meaningless without the other numbers. What one lab calls "good" another lab may call "excellent". I understand that you''re asking for help in making a very tough decision but with the information provided no one here can help you. If graded by different labs the "E" may in fact be the same colour as the "G" you''re looking at.

I don''t understand why you are accepting so little information from the sellers, especially considering the amount that you are spending. You wouldn''t, I hope, buy a car, computer, or major household appliance based on price and colour alone. That''s what you''re trying to do here.

You''re dead set on these two stones and the limited information provided. You''ve seen both stones. You''re in a much better position to make a decision than any of us.
 
Date: 2/10/2010 7:53:47 AM
Author: princessns
thanks for the feedback so far....can some of you give me opinions on the 2 stones i have mentioned though? which one is the better deal?
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My answer is –– Neither.

Here is a beautiful stone to compare yours against; excellent cut, 0.76ct I SI, comes with all the necessary paperwork, AGS report and images to make an educated purchase. The stone is $2,186.
http://www.goodoldgold.com/diamond/6955/

You also have given no information on the setting but a simple tiffany setting could be $500.
 
Date: 2/10/2010 10:05:39 AM
Author: Addy
The specs that you''ve provided don''t matter, colour and clarity are personal preference and budget related entirely. Very good and excellent cut are meaningless without the other numbers. What one lab calls ''good'' another lab may call ''excellent''. I understand that you''re asking for help in making a very tough decision but with the information provided no one here can help you. If graded by different labs the ''E'' may in fact be the same colour as the ''G'' you''re looking at.

I don''t understand why you are accepting so little information from the sellers, especially considering the amount that you are spending. You wouldn''t, I hope, buy a car, computer, or major household appliance based on price and colour alone. That''s what you''re trying to do here.

You''re dead set on these two stones and the limited information provided. You''ve seen both stones. You''re in a much better position to make a decision than any of us.
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cmon guys give me some feedback on the t rings i have mentioned.....is ring # 2 worth that much more or is that way too much more....is a diamond from Russia ok to have?
 
Date: 2/10/2010 2:18:16 PM
Author: princessns
cmon guys give me some feedback on the t rings i have mentioned.....is ring # 2 worth that much more or is that way too much more....is a diamond from Russia ok to have?
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Princess, we would love to be able to give you more help but we simply can't without more info such as the type of lab report these diamonds have, this in itself can greatly influence pricing. Without at least that information we cannot responsibly give you advice on pricing or suitability. Its rather like having 2 blue cars as a random example and being asked to offer an opinion on which is best from that info alone. Using the 2 blue cars as an example, we have no idea of engine size, model type, age of the car, condition and so on and its a similar situation with these stones.

If you go back to the jewellery stores where these stones are for sale, they should be able to tell you what type of lab report these stones have or not as the case may be, then that would give us a bit more info to work with.
 
Princess

Okay... you really aren't listening to the very good points people have made in this thread thus far.


1. Neither option is a good deal. Both are expensive - regardless of country of purchase. Without more information it's generally safest to assume you're paying more for inferior goods... without a report from an independent, reputable grading authority those letters and numbers could mean anything.

2. People value sparkliness in diamonds. Sparkly = well cut. Since you have no cut information and don't seem to want to get any, you have no information on sparkliness except what your eyes have seen - which none of us have seen. You have said one diamond was more sparkly than the other... the whole point of buying a diamond is to get a sparkly stone... I fail to see the point of debate.

3. Diamond is covalent sp3 carbon. Hardest, least compressible material, inert, good thermal conductor, -workfunction... why does country of origin matter? Both russia and canada participate in the accord that is the kimberley process.


Your best bet is to buy both, take them to an independent appraiser and get his/her professional opinions. Just be sure to get the return policies in writing!


ETA: what lorelei said
 
I am not gonna buy both diamonds then send one back......i find it hard to believe that none of you will comment on the specs I gave you between the 2 rings/diamonds. Like I said they both sparkle but ring 2 does sparkle more. Sounds like its ok that its from Russia thus all things being equal and knowing ring 2 sparkles more, is $1400 more based on the specs I gave you guys sound reasonable or should it be much less? Like i said i am not buying online as i live in Canada so please keep it to these 2....thanks again for all your help guys!!
 
Date: 2/10/2010 11:39:38 PM
Author: princessns
..i find it hard to believe that none of you will comment on the specs I gave you between the 2 rings/diamonds.
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Man you just don''t get it do you? I just started learning about this stuff and even I can tell you that you''re being dumb, by not asking for more info. You''re about to drop 4 - 5 K on one of these rings, you have a right to know more about them.

You keep calling what you posted ''specs'' but they really aren''t. Those are the basics. You really should ask for the lab report. I''m not saying you have to buy online, but at least ask for the report, then you''ll get some help from the nice people here.
 
Here''s another voice hoping I can make you understand... Fair enough if you want to purchase from a mall store, there''s nothing inherently wrong with that as long as you do your research and are able to make an informed choice. Please note that the information you have been given is NOT enough to make an informed choice. You are leaving yourself wide open to being ripped off by buying a diamond so blind.

Cut is the most important factor when buying a diamond, if cut is poor, it won''t matter if you buy your girlfriend a D color Flawless diamond, it''ll still look dark and lifeless, especially when she compares it to all of her friends diamonds (which she will). It may actually look smaller than it should, and light will just leak through instead of reflecting back out at you. You have absolutely NO cut information in the figures you''ve posted. The "very good" and "excellent" grade you have there is completely meaningless. Anyone can tell you a diamond is excellent cut and be lying through their teeth. Don''t trust blindly.

Without knowing what lab graded the diamonds, the "E" color grade you have there could actually be a "J" in real life, some labs are softer at grading than others. Same goes for the clarity grade, your Si1 could actually be an I2. If one diamond is graded by a reputable lab and the other isn''t, you could be buying the wrong diamond.

As someone else remarked earlier, settings vary in price, but a basic setting doesn''t cost much. The actual country of origin of your diamond doesn''t matter so much as the missing information, you can have a bad Canadian diamond and a great Russian one, or a bad Russian diamond and a great Canadian one. The information you have is NOT enough to know which is better.

Even if we can assume that all of the numbers you have provided ARE correct (although assuming is a mistake when you''re spending thousands of dollars), all you have there is the color and clarity, along with someone''s estimation of the cut. Who thinks it''s an excellent or very good cut? How do they determine that? I believe quite a few places just go by the basic outline shape of the diamond (for example, some stores list a diamond as excellent cut when it''s not even in their inventory and they''ve never seen the diamond!). The outline may be nice, but it''s the cut that matters most, and you can''t judge that with the information you''ve provided, especially if you''re looking at a fancy shape like a princess cut.

Why are you limiting yourself to only these two stones? Why should you feel pressured to buy from this particular store when they are giving you no useful information so you can get help picking the right stone?

There''s lots of shops out there, and if this store won''t even show you solid proof that these diamonds are what they claim to be (like a certificate from a reputable gem lab like AGS or GIA), then why can''t you shop around? If they can provide you with these certificates, you can post more information here for experienced diamond buyers to help you.

Please don''t take everyone''s comments lightly, we''re all just trying to save you making a big mistake. There''s lots of posts here on Pricescope by people who just believed whatever their sales assistant told them and bought a terrible diamond. All diamonds look great under the super bright lighting in jewellery stores. Take your time, do your research and buy the right one for your girlfriend, she''ll appreciate your effort.
 
listen guys, there are no real lab reports, ring # 1 from the mall has a certificate done by some lab called IGI and the private jeweller is well known here locally and his diamonds are legit so i dont need a lab report from him. At the end of the day they are both real diamonds. i need to know from you guys now if ring # 2 sounds like its worth that much more $$$ or does that sound like way too much. I can tell # 2 sparkles more but is it worth that much more? Cmon guys help me out...also dont most people say be VS2 and higher on clarity for a princess cut? Thanks Guys
 
Date: 2/11/2010 12:26:40 PM
Author: princessns
listen guys, there are no real lab reports, ring # 1 from the mall has a certificate done by some lab called IGI and the private jeweller is well known here locally and his diamonds are legit so i dont need a lab report from him. At the end of the day they are both real diamonds. i need to know from you guys now if ring # 2 sounds like its worth that much more $$$ or does that sound like way too much. I can tell # 2 sparkles more but is it worth that much more? Cmon guys help me out...also dont most people say be VS2 and higher on clarity for a princess cut? Thanks Guys
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Seriously. C''mon, YOU help us out. IGI vs. no report? The clear answer is to go with the one that sparkles more. No, none of them are worth that much money. VS2 or higher is only general advice for step cuts, not princesses.
 
Yo dude...the board isn't asking for a pedigree...you are missing the point. Legitimacy is not the issue.

BoBO the clown boy without legitimacy may be able to cut a great diamond and even sell one...but with out these details they continue to ask you for, no one WHO KNOWS diamonds...is going to commit to a choice of either of them. YOU CAN'T DECIDE ON THE INFORMATION YOU HAVE PROVIDED. IT IS INSUFFICIENT AND NOT COMPLETE.

Now, if you want to play a shell game...and have us choose simply for the fun of it...I would go with the Canadians because I like maple syrup.

Those Russians were funny furry hats and drink vodka and do some funky dance bending at their knees.

Ok, so those reasons are foolish aren't they? But with the information you provided, you are asking us to choose Countries because you have not provided enough information to choose diamonds!

So anyone else with me??? GO MAPLE LEAVES!
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Any one in because of Vodka? And silly hats?




PS..."Real diamonds" are used to cut through the earth in oil field equipment and machinery. "Real Diamond" the way you worded it, is not the issue here. They need the "exrays" which are the sarin and aset. It shows them which stone is better cut...that is the only way to tell you which one is worthy of your hard earned cash. You have only told them the supposed color, the supposed clarity and the size...and what country.
 
Date: 2/11/2010 12:26:40 PM
Author: princessns
listen guys, there are no real lab reports, ring # 1 from the mall has a certificate done by some lab called IGI and the private jeweller is well known here locally and his diamonds are legit so i dont need a lab report from him. At the end of the day they are both real diamonds. i need to know from you guys now if ring # 2 sounds like its worth that much more $$$ or does that sound like way too much. I can tell # 2 sparkles more but is it worth that much more? Cmon guys help me out...also dont most people say be VS2 and higher on clarity for a princess cut? Thanks Guys
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Madness = doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different outcome.

It doesn''t matter how many times you ask the good people on this board to give you an answer. The answer will be the same.

You cannot choose a diamond with the limited information you have.

No one on this board can tell you which to buy. No one is willing to.

Your options are to either make the decision based on your impressions of the two diamonds, or follow the advise that has been given to you, which is to look elsewhere and demand more detailed information.
 
My girlfriend''s Canadian therefore that one must be the better ring. I vote for the Canadian ring.
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I think he is pulling our leg. I can''t think of another alternative for asking the same thing repeatedly when people have answered him already.
 
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