Need help to evaluate AGS Ideal diamond

[bqnbqn]

I am new to PS and was hoping if folks here could help provide his/her opinion on the following diamond. It is for an engagement ring.

2.69ct G VVS2 AGS ideal
http://www.agslab.com/pdf_sync_reports/104071002017-PLDQR.PDF

Having a good cut and no inclusions faced up is important to me. I had a hard time finding a VVS2 with no inclusions faced up until I ran across this one. What I need help with is to know whether the cut is good although this is AGS Ideal (no dug in or painted girdle, etc.)

Do you think $48k is fair value or a good deal?

Many thanks

 

[Karl_K]

Do you have anymore info? images etc?

 

[Dancing Fire]

The price sounds fair to me for its 4Cs, even better if it is a true H&A stone.

 

[Texas Leaguer]

Beautiful stone, fair price. Judging from the light map on the cert, cut precision is not to the level of super ideal.

 

[Bonfire]

AGS0 and it scores 3 on HCA?

 

[Lorelei]

AGS0 and it scores 3 on HCA?

It's the angle combo driving that result, particularly the pavilion, if you reduce the pavilion angle on the HCA you will see the score improve.

Hi bq,

Considering your criteria of a stone having a good cut and being of high clarity, you might have found your stone, I take it the diamond is intended for an engagement ring? The cut is of a high standard, as Bryan mentions it's not cut to superideal standards but it is still a very fine make and could be a beautiful stone. For a purchase of this magnitude I would see if you could get an actual ASET or Idealscope image of this diamond, even though the AGS PGS image on the report is useful, I personally prefer actual images and for almost 50k, I don't think it is at all unreasonable to request them. The price does seem fair for a diamond of this size and quality, that it is also well cut is definitely a huge bonus.

 

[Texas Leaguer]

AGS0 and it scores 3 on HCA?

This is a good example of why the conventional wisdom of the need for HCA to be 2 or less will eliminate many outstanding stones. It is also a good example of why an HCA score on an AGS0 is meaningless. The HCA takes a limited number of averaged data points into consideration. AGS light performance grading system calculates the contribution of every facet on the diamond by creating a 3D model of the diamond and ray tracing it.

This is a knock out stone in almost all respects. Just not a true hearts and arrows most likely. To determine that you will need additional images. At some point, other aspects in the decision making matrix such as size, price, color, clarity may trump the need for ultimate facet precision.

Congrats to the OP for narrowing the selection to an AGS0. This stone is definitely in the sweet spot in terms of cut quality and light performance.

 

[Bonfire]

Thanks Lorelei and Texas Leaguer for the good info, I'm still learning
Fascinating to learn about these types of stones that maybe "fall through the cracks" with PSers because of HCA disqualification, <2

 

[Karl_K]

AGS0 and it scores 3 on HCA?

That is why I want an actual image.
Scanner error can make a difference with this combo.

 

[Karl_K]

AGS0 and it scores 3 on HCA?

This is a good example of why the conventional wisdom of the need for HCA to be 2 or less will eliminate many outstanding stones. It is also a good example of why an HCA score on an AGS0 is meaningless.

I disagree.
The HCA score is a warning to seek more info.
AGS0 is not the end all of end alls.
There are AGS0 stones I would not buy.
This may or may not be one of them.
More info is needed.

 

[Karl_K]

This is a knock out stone in almost all respects. Just not a true hearts and arrows most likely. To determine that you will need additional images. At some point, other aspects in the decision making matrix such as size, price, color, clarity may trump the need for ultimate facet precision.

I have seen way to many errors in the AGS virtual aset images compared to the actual image to reach the same conclusion.
This is a combo that minor differences can make a huge difference in appearance.
The predicted cut grade for the base combo is AGS3 that it got the 0 means it is not of conventional make.
That is the kind of things that scanner based images/grades have been known to be in error.

 

[bqnbqn]

Thank you all for your feedback. Here are some photos for your examination. Based on all the info here, if I take it to GIA, do you believe it will be graded Triple EX?

 

[Karl_K]

looking good, do you have an actual ASET?

Yes it would get gia EX.

 

[diamondseeker2006]

You don't need to worry about VVS2 or VS1. Both will be completely eyeclean and extremely difficult to find inclusions with a 10x loupe. That stone is a little deeper than I like, but I can't find much to offer you as an alternative.

This one has potential:

http://www.jamesallen.com/loose-diamonds/round-cut/2.58-carat-g-color-vs1-clarity-excellent-cut-sku-321495