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Oops! I did it again…What is wrong with this Kashmir Sapphire?

Avondale said:
This. ^

But then, if you do love it and can afford it, then who are we to judge what colour blue you should prefer? I'm not even touching on the kashmir premium because I'm not familiar with the intricacies involved in its pricing. It's important to you and that's that, no further discussion needed, really.
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I don’t know much about the Kashmir pricing intricacies either but I would imagine that color comes first and then if it’s a top color, then origin adds a premium to that. So it could be overpriced for the color despite the origin.

Personally, if I were you I would wear your original Kashmir sapphire and enjoy it. I have had things, like nice leather jackets sit in the closet because I didn’t want to risk damaging such a special thing. I have since realized that having my favorite items languishing in drawers and closets is pointless. They are meant to be worn and if they eventually wear out or get damaged then at least I got to enjoy them. Life is short.
 
Mkrsz1ppy said:
Maybe I’m weird, but yes, Kashmir is important to me. Burma ruby and paraiba from Brazil too. Not to say that I don’t love sapphires from other origins, because I do. But I watched my father go bankrupt in 1989 and my then husband have severe reverses in 2008. When you are forced to sell your possessions, you learn that what mattered to you when you bought it doesn’t matter. Nor does what you paid; that is a sunk cost. So that does factor in to my buying process.

However, if I could get another sapphire the same color as my original Kashmir, I would love to, so I could wear it more.

I truly do appreciate all the comments and feedback. I am here to learn, and appreciate hearing that many think I overpaid for an inferior stone. I will try to buy better next time!
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I'm not sure if I understand the meaning of this post.

Are you saying that you like the pedigree of Kashmir saphires because having seen your family fall on hard times you know that even if you like something (say a non-Kashmir sapphire), a buyer doesn't necessarily feel the same way and it is more likely to be easier to sell?

Or are you saying that all jewellery (or things in general) is a sunk cost, so even if other people think your sapphrie is not a good buy, you are prepared to aceept it?

I don't think most people here are saying it's a bad buy for a Kashmir sapphire that price, as I don't think it would necessarily be easy to find another Kashmir sapphire that size that price, let alone a really good colour. People are just saying that for that price, you could get another unheated sapphire similar size, better colour though it won't be a Kashmir sapphire.

Or maybe I'm just confused now :D

Aside from the stone, how do you feel about the setting? I personally am realising more and more that a setting I like greatly increases the enjoyment of wearing a ring. The setting of that ring looks very wearable for everyday yet not boring.

Also, why not wear your other Kashmir more if you like it? Sapphires are quite hard so shouldn't be so easy to damage no? If you're worried about losing it, you could always take out insurance. That stone is going to outlive you so you might as well enjoy it while you can! It's always a shame when beautiful stones sit in boxes and drawers for nobody to see.

P.S. I don't think people are saying the sapphire has poor colour, not super-saturated maybe but pretty and easy to wear colour.

Oh and I LOVE that heart pin. Very juicy looking stones. Might have been a good buy too, since sitckpins are not commonly worn so much these days (though it seems to be getting a revival!)
 
Mkrsz1ppy said:
Maybe I’m weird, but yes, Kashmir is important to me. Burma ruby and paraiba from Brazil too. Not to say that I don’t love sapphires from other origins, because I do. But I watched my father go bankrupt in 1989 and my then husband have severe reverses in 2008. When you are forced to sell your possessions, you learn that what mattered to you when you bought it doesn’t matter. Nor does what you paid; that is a sunk cost. So that does factor in to my buying process.

However, if I could get another sapphire the same color as my original Kashmir, I would love to, so I could wear it more.

I truly do appreciate all the comments and feedback. I am here to learn, and appreciate hearing that many think I overpaid for an inferior stone. I will try to buy better next time!
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Just to give an idea of what an extra fine 2ct kashmir looks like:

www.enhoerning-jewelry.com

2.10 ct Unheated Kashmir Sapphire, AGL/Gübelin/GRS — Enhoerning Jewelry

www.enhoerning-jewelry.com www.enhoerning-jewelry.com

This was sold for over 100k, if I remember correctly.

That’s the real kashmir premium, unbeatable velvety and vivid blue. However, Kashmir origing is like Burma origin, it means absolutely nothing unless you go for the top end of the scale, which is extremely expensive and rare.

11k for your sapphire is a lot of money, without the kashmir tag it would run for 3k tops. So really, here the kashmir tag is meaningless - to me at least - because the color is nowhere near the top end of the scale.

Your money, your choice. If you can spend 11k on a medium quality stone I suppose you can afford it so it ultimately doesn’t matter too much. I overpaid for a ruby 3 years ago and while I absolutely love it, the fair retail price was probably half of what I cashed out.

Sorry for being brutally honest. But this is the internet and there is no reason to beat around the bush :)
 
JewelledEscalators said:
I'm not sure if I understand the meaning of this post.

Are you saying that you like the pedigree of Kashmir saphires because having seen your family fall on hard times you know that even if you like something (say a non-Kashmir sapphire), a buyer doesn't necessarily feel the same way and it is more likely to be easier to sell?

Or are you saying that all jewellery (or things in general) is a sunk cost, so even if other people think your sapphrie is not a good buy, you are prepared to aceept it?

I don't think most people here are saying it's a bad buy for a Kashmir sapphire that price, as I don't think it would necessarily be easy to find another Kashmir sapphire that size that price, let alone a really good colour. People are just saying that for that price, you could get another unheated sapphire similar size, better colour though it won't be a Kashmir sapphire.

Or maybe I'm just confused now :D

Aside from the stone, how do you feel about the setting? I personally am realising more and more that a setting I like greatly increases the enjoyment of wearing a ring. The setting of that ring looks very wearable for everyday yet not boring.

Also, why not wear your other Kashmir more if you like it? Sapphires are quite hard so shouldn't be so easy to damage no? If you're worried about losing it, you could always take out insurance. That stone is going to outlive you so you might as well enjoy it while you can! It's always a shame when beautiful stones sit in boxes and drawers for nobody to see.

P.S. I don't think people are saying the sapphire has poor colour, not super-saturated maybe but pretty and easy to wear colour.

Oh and I LOVE that heart pin. Very juicy looking stones. Might have been a good buy too, since sitckpins are not commonly worn so much these days (though it seems to be getting a revival!)
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Yes. It does make it easier to sell if I need to. That is what I learned. Like I learned VS1 clarity and better are easier to sell.

And I do like the setting. And I do like being low key, and it’s great for everyday wear. And I think it was a good/fair price for a Kashmir. It’s a good thing we don’t all like/want the same stones.

I am very excited about the cabochon heart ruby and sapphire. I want to get them certified and make pendants out of them.

Thank you for your thoughtful input.
 
Mkrsz1ppy said:
That is true. I love the color of my first one. But I have gotten so afraid of damaging her. My jeweler want to redo the prongs, and I’m not ready to risk it. So I thought maybe another one for more daily wear.
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As an aside, what do you think the risk is in redoing the prongs? Untreated sapphires that don't have significant inclusions are pretty sturdy. An experienced reputable bench should be able to tell you if there are any issues with the stone that would make resetting risky.

If your concern is doing damage to the sapphire from wearing or the discomfort in wearing some so rare/valuable, I completely understand (given the reason I have not set my FCDs yet is a reaction to learning what they were worth).

But back to the original topic - I'm glad you found a stone that met all of your requirements for an everyday ring that you will enjoy wearing!
 
Mkrsz1ppy said:
Yes. It does make it easier to sell if I need to. That is what I learned. Like I learned VS1 clarity and better are easier to sell.
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Ah I see. Ok I understand.

Mkrsz1ppy said:
And I do like the setting. And I do like being low key, and it’s great for everyday wear. And I think it was a good/fair price for a Kashmir. It’s a good thing we don’t all like/want the same stones.
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Glad you like the setting. I get the feeling that it's one of those designs that you like more and more as the years go by, and ends up being one of your staple pieces! Yes, good things we don't all like the same things, that's true. I just wish so many people didn't like rubies or red spinels so there'll be more for me and they'd be cheaper :D

Mkrsz1ppy said:
I am very excited about the cabochon heart ruby and sapphire. I want to get them certified and make pendants out of them.

Thank you for your thoughtful input.
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Oh noooooooooooooo! I was thinking if I had them, I'd probably turn them into earr...then stopped myself thinking should I dismantle an original antique piece (and so many stickpins are lost that way)..though actually I am pretty sure I would end up doing the same :lol: Those stones are lovely :kiss2: :kiss2: :kiss2:

But I gues it wouldn't be hard to take out the ruby and the saphire without damaging the pin and keep it for later if you ever wanted to put them back in, say for when or if you decided to sell, if there was some value in having it in its original form (though that may not necessarily be the case!)
 
P.S. As a collector of Givenchy vintage high end/couture costume jewellery, your pins really remind me of some of their designs (I mean that in a good way, as I love their designs hence I collect them).
 
JewelledEscalators said:
Ah I see. Ok I understand.



Glad you like the setting. I get the feeling that it's one of those designs that you like more and more as the years go by, and ends up being one of your staple pieces! Yes, good things we don't all like the same things, that's true. I just wish so many people didn't like rubies or red spinels so there'll be more for me and they'd be cheaper :D



Oh noooooooooooooo! I was thinking if I had them, I'd probably turn them into earr...then stopped myself thinking should I dismantle an original antique piece (and so many stickpins are lost that way)..though actually I am pretty sure I would end up doing the same :lol: Those stones are lovely :kiss2: :kiss2: :kiss2:

But I gues it wouldn't be hard to take out the ruby and the saphire without damaging the pin and keep it for later if you ever wanted to put them back in, say for when or if you decided to sell, if there was some value in having it in its original form (though that may not necessarily be the case!)
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If it makes you feel better, it is a tie pin. An articulated tie pin. Yes, I can keep the setting to re-construct, but I truly don’t see many men wanting cabochon hearts that wiggle for attention on their sternum. Just saying.
 
Mkrsz1ppy said:
You are correct! And it’s been a lot of fun, and a learning experience. I am enjoying this sapphire—she does have some spark, some glow, and the color is softer. It matches my outfit perfectly today!08F072CD-38B9-403A-AE34-0CCE7F90F933.jpeg
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Mkrz1ppy:
I have to agree with you, this picture of your new sapphire looks really pretty. It may not be the same as your other sapphire, never the less it is very pretty and that it will be an every day ring. BTW, the setting is awesome!! =)2
 
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Mkrsz1ppy said:
You are correct! And it’s been a lot of fun, and a learning experience. I am enjoying this sapphire—she does have some spark, some glow, and the color is softer. It matches my outfit perfectly today!08F072CD-38B9-403A-AE34-0CCE7F90F933.jpeg
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I was going to say a neh when you first showed the picture prior to buying it BUT after seeing it on your finger in this picture, I must say, it actually looks quite nice! I understand why you would want a Kashmir specifically - being an actual limited quantity of stones from Kashmir already raises the value regardless - however when people think Kashmir they think of that luxurious 'Royal blue' (as I was expecting when I saw the title of this post) but if you love it, that's all that matters and its still an investment being Kashmir. Now if you had 100x that amount you paid to drop I would have recommended these beauts -



Drool away!
 
PearlyGates said:
I was going to say a neh when you first showed the picture prior to buying it BUT after seeing it on your finger in this picture, I must say, it actually looks quite nice! I understand why you would want a Kashmir specifically - being an actual limited quantity of stones from Kashmir already raises the value regardless - however when people think Kashmir they think of that luxurious 'Royal blue' (as I was expecting when I saw the title of this post) but if you love it, that's all that matters and its still an investment being Kashmir. Now if you had 100x that amount you paid to drop I would have recommended these beauts -



Drool away!
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Thank you for comment. Yes, those are drool-worthy!
 
PearlyGates said:
I was going to say a neh when you first showed the picture prior to buying it BUT after seeing it on your finger in this picture, I must say, it actually looks quite nice! I understand why you would want a Kashmir specifically - being an actual limited quantity of stones from Kashmir already raises the value regardless - however when people think Kashmir they think of that luxurious 'Royal blue' (as I was expecting when I saw the title of this post) but if you love it, that's all that matters and its still an investment being Kashmir. Now if you had 100x that amount you paid to drop I would have recommended these beauts -



Drool away!
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Wow! The color is so intense! I want to know who the distinguished European family is who put those up for auction. Related to the Royals maybe?? Lol.
 
JewelledEscalators said:
If you're going to bid on it without seeing it in person, I'd request additional photos on the hand or a video to get a better sense of it.
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Oh I‘m not. They just keep popping up in my browsing!
 
Mkrsz1ppy said:
Oh I‘m not. They just keep popping up in my browsing!
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I did actually see another Kashmir sapphire at an auction - it was over 4 carats cab and going for approximately 28k dollars, but I think the colour on your is much better.
 
Mkrsz1ppy said:
This is the only one I’ve bid on, but it sailed past my budget early on. Gorgeous, I think. EBC65675-935A-4534-9076-FD6F3D8A1F1D.png
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Wowza. When I saw this and saw the sold price I thought it was a NECKLACE, I didnt realize it was a BROOCH. Thats crazy, Kashmir is definitely a good investment if they are getting this price!
 
:shock: :love: :shock: I LOVE it. It's beautiful, and a three stone?!
Jealous, yes, that's me.
Ughaah, I want a a silky blue sapphire so badly!
 
Disclaimer: I do have a dog in this fight over the importance of origin ... an Argyle Pink Diamond purchased about a dozen years ago.

But if someone cares about a gem's origin I'm going to respect that, just like I respect someone insisting their diamond or colored gem must be fully natural and not created in a lab or treated in a lab.
Why can't we all give the same respect of diversity when it comes go gem origin?
I won't try to argue that they should care only about the stone itself, and not where it was mined.

After all if someone wants to spend $186 million on an abstract painting (that a child could paint IMO) just because it's a Rothko that's their beeswax.
Nobody's going to argue that who painted a painting doesn't matter and all that matters is the painting itself.



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kenny said:
Disclaimer: I do have a dog in this fight over the importance of origin ... an Argyle Pink Diamond purchased about a dozen years ago.

But if someone cares about a gem's origin I'm going to respect that, just like I respect someone insisting their diamond or colored gem must be fully natural and not created in a lab or treated in a lab.
Why can't we all give the same respect of diversity when it comes go gem origin?
I won't try to argue that they should care only about the stone itself, and not where it was mined.

After all if someone wants to spend $186 million on an abstract painting (that a child could paint IMO) just because it's a Rothko that's their beeswax.
Nobody's going to argue that who painted a painting doesn't matter and all that matters is the painting itself.
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It’s a fascinating discussion, gem provenance. Here is a good article from a well respected lapidary.

Quality — Cushion Gem: Precious Gems of Color

www.cushiongem.com www.cushiongem.com
 
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