Other people posting pix of your rings

[dazedland]

Date: 8/10/2005 10:16:47 AM
Author: IrishEyes
whoa whoa whoa. Mary Alaina has a beautiful collection of jewelry. Maybe I did miss your point. Are you trying to say that she is being selfish and is flauting her collection out of selfishisness, instead of trying to help people?? If that is what you are saying, then I think you are wrong, IMO. I don''t care what the reasoning is behind posting a picture of jewelry, whether it is to shamelessly flaunt something you are proud of, or to inspire someone else to recreate it. Either way, I think many here on PS just want to see great diamonds and works of jewelry, because many of us consider it like an artform almost. As for her being kind of upset, I commend her for coming forward with how she feels. It IS a public forum, and anyone CAN just post the pic for someone else, however she has a right to feel like her ''thunder was stolen'' and get a little upset that SHE didn''t get to post it first. I think that is all she is saying.....

Yes she does have a beautiful collection. How much thunder does one need when they post their own pics to start with and have a Website showcasing their collection. And yes, I don''t feel like she is trying to help people. It''s just my opinion and I don''t post all the time, and I don''t want to be crucified for my opinion. It is what it is and it''s not going to change on this subject. I have a feeling that I''m not alone on this one, but hey I could be wrong, wouldn''t be the first time.

I will read, but am not going to respond to any other questions or comments about my posts on this thread because I like so many of the people on PS and I don''t want to argue with them.

 

[fire&ice]

Date: 8/10/2005 1:21:38 AM
Author: jjaks

But I still ponder why a thread like this is on three pages and I couldn’t get help with a matching a band to an e-ring when I first joined, where were your opinions then? (Please know that I say this with a smile and have an ill sense of humor

).

I''m pondering the exact same thing this morning.

When you upload a pic, the WARNING is clear. "YOUR FILE IS GOING TO BE AVAILABLE TO THE PUBLIC."

 

[MelissaSue]

Okay. I am jumping in again. I sort of see both sides of the original argument. Why MA would be upset she didn''t get to post her pics.. and why others would be defensive of the practice... So I guess I don''t really have an opinion on it.. other than I don''t really think it was approached the right way (Should have been a PM to the poster or admin)

BUT!! The conversation on here about people attacking each other/ganging up on each other is ABSURD. Absolutely ridculous. You people are acting like people are nasty on pricescope all the time. Have you ever BEEN on another message board?

This is the nicest, most sparing of other''s feelings forum i have ever SEEN on the internet. And its not because we have all "nice" people here. I am NOT a nice person in real life and honestly, I can be a b*tch in person, and even on some other internet forums.. but its just not ACCEPTED here. Its a very NON-hostile evironment. People don''t say mean things here... its nice to see that.. for a change. Leonid helps ensure that, but mostly, the members do it themselves.

I can think of a couple example where a new member has joined and made some comments, that weren''t even mean, but perhaps just a frank and honest opinion, and other members have quickly told them that just simply is NOT how things work around here. So when I read these posts about people on this board making it a hostile envioronment, I kind of wanted to laugh right out loud. Thats why this post and the posts that furthermore made a few days ago were so SHOCKING to me.. Obviously there are a very few exceptions (there are certain members whos posts I don''t bother to read because they are usually obnoxious..) but as an overall forum.. its almost unbeleivable how nice everyone is here ALL THE TIME!

 

[Buena Girl]

Why is it considered "ungracious" to request first dibbs on posting your own pics in a thread where the title starts out "Show me Your..." ???

There are plenty of people here who do an AMAZING job updating the eye candy folder and other more general threads along the lines of "Show me Pears" or "Show me yellow gold settings". And their efforts are much appreciated!

I think that anybody can post whomever''s jewelry pics to threads like that. That is a more general domain.

But if a thread has the title of "Show me your...", then I feel it is only polite to give the owners of said specific jewelry first dibbs on posting their jewelry. Allow maybe 6 hours or half a day or something. If they haven''t posted their pics by then, then I think it would be fine to post it for them. I seriously doubt that waiting 1 more day for pictures of settings would impact the majority of Pricescopers diamond and settings decisions.

 

[IrishEyes]

MS, I wasn''t trying to be hostile or attacking, I hope that is not what you got out of my post, or if you are even referring to me. I was simply voicing my opinion, something I am allowed to do here and anywhere. I didn''t agree with what some people were saying, and IMO I found a repectable way to say that. I didn''t cuss, didn''t call anyone names. I hope I didn''t offend anyone. I love PS and don''t want to hurt anyone''s feelings. If I offened someone, I apologize....

 

[aphisiglovessae]

Nobody EVER posts mine, so I''m not worried about it. I wouldn''t care if they did anyway.

 

[mrssalvo]

Date: 8/10/2005 10:41:59 AM
Author: Buena Girl
Why is it considered 'ungracious' to request first dibbs on posting your own pics in a thread where the title starts out 'Show me Your...' ???


There are plenty of people here who do an AMAZING job updating the eye candy folder and other more general threads along the lines of 'Show me Pears' or 'Show me yellow gold settings'. And their efforts are much appreciated!

I think that anybody can post whomever's jewelry pics to threads like that. That is a more general domain.


But if a thread has the title of 'Show me your...', then I feel it is only polite to give the owners of said specific jewelry first dibbs on posting their jewelry. Allow maybe 6 hours or half a day or something. If they haven't posted their pics by then, then I think it would be fine to post it for them. I seriously doubt that waiting 1 more day for pictures of settings would impact the majority of Pricescopers diamond and settings decisions.

BG- I started the thread, and then added to it. It's 6 weeks old and MA just now found it

I did what mara and other's have done when starting a "show me your..." thread. someone wanted to see the pics back in June. I've been keeping it updated because I like too. I understand and respect her feelings, i've apologized twice already, deleted the post, what else do you all want me to do?

 

[solange]

I am always flattered when someone reposts my rings or bumps them up. There are many threads that would not be nearly as interesting if people were not free to do so. If I did not want to show them for others to see, i would not have posted them in the first place. Obviously if you post a lot of your jewels, there is more of a chance that this will happen to you.

For those who find this objectionable, they can always note on their original posting that they do not want it copied without permission. I would hate to see this practice discontinued because some threads depend upon being able to see examples and many people do not get get around to doing it or do not know how.

 

[onedrop]

Mrssalvo: I think you have done all you can. Personally I think you bent over backwards to apologize. Don''t beat yourself up over someone''s opinion. I also don''t mind that you and others post pics of other''s rings. So don''t stop doing that!!!

 

[IrishEyes]

Solange, I see what you are saying, and I see both sides of the argument. All in all, I don''t want to see the practice of showing other people''s rings and jewelry in threads discontinued. It would greatly diminsh the amount of spectacular jewelry we would see here on PS.

 

[decodelighted]

Dazed Land ... you took the words right out of my fingers. I was just hesitant to say it as plainly as you did. But since you have the courage to "tell it like it is" - I''ll second your feelings!

 

[Buena Girl]

mrssalvo-
When I wrote my posts, I honestly had no idea that there could have been an ulterior motive behind the first post. I took it word for word and stated my oppinion. A lot goes on through PM's or posts that have been deleted that many of us are never aware of. I was just trying to get the thread back on track, or at least what I thought the topic was

Again, I think many of you do a kick ass job at updating the general threads. But I would like to reiterate that there are plenty of general threads to post pics to. If a thread says, "show me your...", why not just post a link instead of the actual pic if people would like to immediately help whomever started the specified topic?

ETA: I think that this thread will at least have some positive value, even if it was started for other reasons.

 

[solange]

Date: 8/10/2005 11:14:45 AM
Author: decodelighted
Dazed Land ... you took the words right out of my fingers. I was just hesitant to say it as plainly as you did. But since you have the courage to ''tell it like it is'' - I''ll second your feelings!

Ditto

 

[MelissaSue]

Date: 8/10/2005 10:43:14 AM
Author: IrishEyes
MS, I wasn''t trying to be hostile or attacking, I hope that is not what you got out of my post, or if you are even referring to me. I was simply voicing my opinion, something I am allowed to do here and anywhere. I didn''t agree with what some people were saying, and IMO I found a repectable way to say that. I didn''t cuss, didn''t call anyone names. I hope I didn''t offend anyone. I love PS and don''t want to hurt anyone''s feelings. If I offened someone, I apologize....

Irisheyes - You were not hostile or attacking. What I was saying actually didn''t have anything to do with that, or even what you were addressing. I didn''t find it offensive at all. I actually didn''t find what ANYONE said offensive, but there are others that are making statements, not only about this post that people on PS are hostile and ganging up on others.. etc. etc.. Thats simply not true. PS is definitley the friendliest forum on the internet.. and I just think that people need to appreciate that fact!

 

[IrishEyes]

Date: 8/10/2005 11:26:54 AM
Author: MelissaSue

Date: 8/10/2005 10:43:14 AM
Author: IrishEyes
MS, I wasn''t trying to be hostile or attacking, I hope that is not what you got out of my post, or if you are even referring to me. I was simply voicing my opinion, something I am allowed to do here and anywhere. I didn''t agree with what some people were saying, and IMO I found a repectable way to say that. I didn''t cuss, didn''t call anyone names. I hope I didn''t offend anyone. I love PS and don''t want to hurt anyone''s feelings. If I offened someone, I apologize....

Irisheyes - You were not hostile or attacking. What I was saying actually didn''t have anything to do with that, or even what you were addressing. I didn''t find it offensive at all. I actually didn''t find what ANYONE said offensive, but there are others that are making statements, not only about this post that people on PS are hostile and ganging up on others.. etc. etc.. Thats simply not true. PS is definitley the friendliest forum on the internet.. and I just think that people need to appreciate that fact!

Gotcha. Thanks for clarifying!

 

[mrssalvo]

Date: 8/9/2005 11:17:45 PM
Author: kaleigh
Exactly!!!! You can be rest assured MA that no one will ever post pics of your rings again without your permission and will give you the opportunity for you to do it yourself if you so desire. OK???? Oh and for future people if you post a pic of your ring and don't want it posted with out your permission maybe you should put a disclaimer at the bottom of your post as we are not mind readers here. I hope this helps.

I think Kaleigh sums it up here. MA does not want us to post her rings and wants us to know "before" we post them, sending a pm after the fact doesn't really help in the long run. I have no problem with this. I also like the idea of writing a disclaimer if you don't want them reposted and hopefully this will help prevent anyone else from feeling disappointed or feeling like their 'thunder was stolen."

 

[Lorelei]

Date: 8/10/2005 11:26:54 AM
Author: MelissaSue

Date: 8/10/2005 10:43:14 AM
Author: IrishEyes
MS, I wasn''t trying to be hostile or attacking, I hope that is not what you got out of my post, or if you are even referring to me. I was simply voicing my opinion, something I am allowed to do here and anywhere. I didn''t agree with what some people were saying, and IMO I found a repectable way to say that. I didn''t cuss, didn''t call anyone names. I hope I didn''t offend anyone. I love PS and don''t want to hurt anyone''s feelings. If I offened someone, I apologize....

Irisheyes - You were not hostile or attacking. What I was saying actually didn''t have anything to do with that, or even what you were addressing. I didn''t find it offensive at all. I actually didn''t find what ANYONE said offensive, but there are others that are making statements, not only about this post that people on PS are hostile and ganging up on others.. etc. etc.. Thats simply not true. PS is definitley the friendliest forum on the internet.. and I just think that people need to appreciate that fact!

I agree and IrishEyes is one of the nicest and most knowledgeable gals here!

 

[MaryAlaina]

Date: 8/9/2005 11:03:55 PM
Author: Kamuelamom
A simple PM to the offenders would have taken care of it.

A PM would have let one person on this forum know. How else, other than starting a thread, was I supposed to let everyone else know that I''d rather post my own rings? Sending a PM after the fact may have been a more personal way to handle this, and my apologies to those who felt hurt by that, but it doesn''t address the issue. Sending a PRIVATE message wouldn''t stop my pictures from being posted by others, except by the one I had sent the PM to.

Overall, I wish people had read my initial post. I did not say I was mad, upset, or offended by use of my photos. I said I felt DISAPPOINTED. There is a difference. It''s hardly anything I''ve been stewing over.

Additionally, feelings are not right or wrong....they just ARE. My feelings of disappointment is not any more right or wrong than others'' feelings of gratitude, when it comes to having pictures reposted. I don''t quite understand the need to attack people for their feelings, nor the need to tell them not to have those feelings. (As if either really is constructive or works anyway.)

As for the "WF Custom thread", I did not just see it now. I saw it shortly after it was started, but my ring had already been posted. Why did I not say anything then? Like I mentioned, it''s not like I''m mad about this, but as I continue to see this thread bumped up, I just thought that I was disappointed that I wasn''t able to share my own ring in it. I appreciate mrssalvo''s apology and removal of my photo, and I apologize to her for any embarrassment I caused her, as it was never my intent to single any one person out.

The comment was made that I have my own website with jewelry, so I should expect others to use my photos. My website is copyrighted, and does say on it "Please do not use my photos without my permission." and has for a long time.

The comment was also made that when a thread title is "Show me YOUR ....", what is wrong with sending a PM to the person whose ring you want to post? Exactly my point! In those threads, I''d like to be able to post MY rings, without having someone else do so. I don''t feel like that is asking too much. If it is, please let me know so I can stop posting my photos here.

 

[mrssalvo]

MA,
Please add your ring to the WF thread and be sure to include all the pictures you want to

 

[MINE!!]

You know.... I know that i have posted MANY people''s rings. For example, in the colored gemstones sec. I posted tons of pictures under the colored engagement ring section. I find that when someon syas something about my ring or wishes to post a pic. then I am flattered... however, if I did not want someone to share my picture then I would not have posted it here on this website.

It is unfortunate that people have resorted to name calling over this issue. I agree that if you do not want someone to post your ring then when you first reveal it... ask that it not be reproduced to help or dazzle others. Come on.... does anyone ever really post their bling for the good of man? or is it because we are all egotistical and think.. I HAVE a yummy ring and I WANT you to drool over MINE!! I am going to bet on the latter. Therefore, when reproduced we shouldn''t get so angry that someone is helping to feed our ego and helping someone else..

I am sorry if someone feels that they were treated unfairly. But I tend to agree with the opinions that this IS a public forum.

 

[belle]

Date: 8/10/2005 11:49:35 AM
Author: MaryAlaina

A PM would have let one person on this forum know. How else, other than starting a thread, was I supposed to let everyone else know that I''d rather post my own rings?

watermark them or put a disclaimer in your posts. hopefully anyone else who has the same feelings you do (which are understandable) will do the same. again, this is an open forum and pictures are posted and moved and reposted all the time. if you don''t want it done, let it be known with the initial post.

 

[sjz]

Date: 8/10/2005 10:30:14 AM
Author: fire&ice

Date: 8/10/2005 1:21:38 AM
Author: jjaks

But I still ponder why a thread like this is on three pages and I couldn’t get help with a matching a band to an e-ring when I first joined, where were your opinions then? (Please know that I say this with a smile and have an ill sense of humor

).

I''m pondering the exact same thing this morning.

When you upload a pic, the WARNING is clear. ''YOUR FILE IS GOING TO BE AVAILABLE TO THE PUBLIC.''

This is another excellent point. I''ve noticed many times there will be a thread that is several pages long, and when I read it, it seems like it''s one similar to this one, where people spend post after post just arguing back and forth about who''s *opinion* is more valid than someone else''s. Then I''ll see other threads (I''ve posted some of these myself) asking for info, or links, or advice from some of the experts here, or something else that is a little more objective in nature, only to find that a mere handful of people have replied. When that happens, I always wonder where all the "helpful" people are. Could it be that they are more occupied with threads like these, that no longer to really serve a useful purpose?

 

[MaryAlaina]

Date: 8/10/2005 12:09:31 PM
Author: belle
put a disclaimer in your posts. hopefully anyone else who has the same feelings you do (which are understandable) will do the same...... if you don''t want it done, let it be known with the initial post.

Ok, I have done this. I went back through all my posts that included pictures and added a disclaimer.

 

[Mara]

Seriously MA if you are so keen on people not posting your rings, add something to your SIGNATURE. That way EVERYONE will see it ALL THE TIME. As of now you have nothing there.

Strm has something in his sig about his posts being copyrighted. Go for it. Though to be honest after all this ugliness I would not be surprised if people never want to post a picture of your rings again...the taste is just too sour IMO and people would probably be worried.

Oh and Dazed...I agreed with your post big time. I also felt like there was something very ironic about the original post considering.

 

[Buena Girl]

Date: 8/10/2005 12:36:27 PM
Author: Mara
... Though to be honest after all this ugliness I would not be surprised if people never want to post a picture of your rings again...the taste is just too sour IMO and people would probably be worried.

Oh and Dazed...I agreed with your post big time. I also felt like there was something very ironic about the original post considering.

I am sure that many others like myself respectfully have the very opposite oppinion. If you have a sour taste than you should blame yourself. MA started what should have been a good discussion.

MA, please continue to share your gorgeous jewelry!!!

 

[MaryAlaina]

Date: 8/10/2005 12:36:27 PM
Author: Mara
Seriously MA if you are so keen on people not posting your rings, add something to your SIGNATURE.

Done.

 

[moremoremore]

I must be suckin on lemons too then. this has also left a sour taste in my mouth.
ok, this is like the 3rd time I said I''m done with this post? LOL

 

[Buena Girl]

It is lemonade season. I''m guessing you like it fresh squeezed in your kitchen???

 

[Mara]

Date: 8/10/2005 12:56:20 PM
Author: Buena Girl

I am sure that many others like myself respectfully have the very opposite oppinion. If you have a sour taste than you should blame yourself. MA started what should have been a good discussion.

I don't see how this could have evolved into anything but what it is. PM's would still have been more tactful in my opinion. As for having to PM more than one person to say something, well life is hard. Otherwise, you publicly post something and you should be able to take the heat. Again, we have all done it in the past. No one is exempt.

Blame myself for a sour taste? Well that isn't very nice, is it?!

 

[aljdewey]

Date: 8/9/2005 10:06:55 PM
Author: mrssalvo
ahhhh, well I had a good feeling this thread was directed at me. I am truly sorry. someone asked for some help on WF''s work and was having trouble finding anything. I did a quick search and posted a few.

Mrs. Salvo: I just want to go on record as saying you can post pictures of my rings any time you want.

You recently posted my rings in the WF custom thread, and I was BEYOND flattered......truly. The fact that you saw them and commented on them brought a much needed smile to my day that day.

To MA: It''s not terribly hard to beat someone to the punch who isn''t here regularly.

I can''t say I know how often you''re around. But I do know that you obviously don''t post very much---you''ve had 147 posts in nearly 2 years. If I were a newbie waiting for guidance, I wouldn''t want to hold my breath waiting for you to respond, and I think I''d be grateful that someone else was unselfish enough to post pics that I might find helpful. Just an observation.