Pakistani peridot

[Translucent]

Hello everyone,

I am in need of a big peridot of a 20+carat nature. Can someone tell me if I should be looking at Pakistani origin
for best colour. What is a stone like this going to set me back. I am having a hard time trying to find something
this big. Is Pakistani peridot more of an olive colour as compared to other origins.

(please forgive my lack of question marks as my computer has suddenly decided not to have any punctuation available
except for periods and parenthesis)

 

[colormyworld]

Hello Translucent. I am no expert. That said , I was in a jewelry store talking to the gemologist I know as a friend. Any ways he almost always shows me the stones he gets in for clients. Well yesterday he had three peridots from a well known gem vendor. (top shelf) There was a stone from pakistan,afganistan and burma. The pakistan and afganistan stones were pretty evenly matched. Both were better than the burma Thats not to say the burma was a dog. It was not, the other two just looked better. All three were very slightly yellowishgreen, very strong color. Not quite the size you are looking for they were merely in the ten ct. range Very bright. flashy stones. If I were looking for a peridot I would consider all options.

 

[Richard Sherwood]

The Pakistani stones are indeed fine, with the Burmas being fine as well, although often with a "sleepier" appearance. The Afghan stones I''m not as familiar with.

Large peridots are tough to find. In 20 carat plus sizes good to fine stones will probably command a price of $150 to $350 per carat or more.

 

[colormyworld]

The stone from burma was slightly more olive colored. I could not pinpoint what it was about the stone from burma that made it look not as good as the other two until I re read your post for the second no third time.

 

[Translucent]

Hmmm....interesting. Did not know that the Burma stones can be sleepy looking. I always thought they were
the most sought after of all.

Actually, the stone wanted is 30+carats, with a 50 carat ideal. It must be of Pakistani origin due to a
project on romantic and mysterious Stones of The World.

I was also told that big stones comming from the Kasmir region are reduced to but a tricle due to
two different Muslim factions trying to get control of the mine. Also the endless Pakistan-India regional
conflict does not help much.

Do Pakistani stones exibit any particular inclusions.

(still can not get my question mark to work, arghhh)

 

[valeria101]

Oh well, I am not sure how relevant the 'average' look from some location is - the one piece you will be looking at is what counts.

One thing to consider might be that some of the Pakistany (or whatever Central Asian source comes under this name, I don't think it is just one mine involved - just don't know for sure) peridot comming up lately has an unusual, beautiful bright green color without visible yellowish tint. If one would not be warned, some pieces look like light green tourmaline - not like peridot at all. If there is anything of the like from Burma, no idea.

Some dark green peridot from there looks wonderful too and I wouldn't know to tell if every Burmese shade is to be found elsewhere. Large, fine pieces get their own adds these days - like this one from the website of Burma Partners

A few more mundane colorwise pieces go for about 2k at Multicolour - sure you have seen that. A 70 carat yellowish piece on the same site has the hazy look mentioned above. The picture below shows the same thing - the 30 carat piece there resides at Lapilia.com:

They have a couple of smaller pieces with nice color (as described) and interesting cut. Take a look HERE.

Pala lists a winner - literally (24cts, 1994 AGTA award for 'best peridot - what else?)

'Bet the special pedigree comes at a price, but there are several other pieces over 20 cts there in all sorts of shapes.


A couple of pieces over 40 cts at Creativegem may offer further price refference (LINK). These are burmese...

The weight you are looking for is not small, but peridot comes easier in large sizes than most other gems - whatever this means. Fine color is rarer than large size, as much as I can tell; where fine color means medium-dark green without much yellow/brown in it and large means beyond 'ring size'.

Hope some of this helps a bit.

What will the stone be used for ?

 

[Richard M.]

Date: 9/13/2005 7:34:58 PM
Author: Translucent


Did not know that the Burma stones can be sleepy looking. I always thought they were the most sought after of all.


Actually, the stone wanted is 30+carats, with a 50 carat ideal. It must be of Pakistani origin

Yes, Burma stones -- when available -- can have inclusions that impart a sleepy appearance. But I''ve seen fine, huge crystals of excellent clarity/color from Burma although not for a long time.

Pakistan''s mini "peridot rush" of the mid-90s has nearly stopped, at least from my vantage point. I don''t know the reasons but they''re probably political considering the source although the last time I spoke to my supplier he told me asking prices were too high. Top peridot from this location is the finest I''ve ever seen with saturate greens reminiscent of tstavorite or chrome diopside. Clarity is excellent.

Big Paki peridots of fine color up to 65 carats or so are presently on the market. Expect to pay high prices for them.

Richard M.

 

[valeria101]

Speaking of that unusual ''mint'' green...

This is it, shown in a 5 carat piece from Mt Lily Gems:

And rough from Mine Direct:

This seller describes the source of their peridot from Supatt - a bit more geographical precission than "Pakistan".

I have not seen or heard of large pieces of this color, but... this is not saying allot.
If you are looking for something specific to the source, this could be it.

 

[MJO]

Hello Translucent,

The flow of very fine Pakistani Peridot has slowed. The prices have risen up to 100% for top color and clarity stones over the last 3-4 years. I would think you could get a 20+ct top color and clarity stone for $150-$200/ct. If you are not looking for top clarity and good color I would think you could get one for $40-$80/ct. I do have a source in Pakistan looking for Nice 10ct+ stones for me.

 

[Translucent]

Thank you everyone for the info.

Ana, I did look into buying a huge uncut chunk from Supatt but one can never really predict the outcome of
the cut product with 100% certainty. Or maybe I''m just afraid.

The project requires 3 stones of about 50 carats( it has been decided). Each will be set buy a master jeweler
around the theme of " Mystery and Romance". I cannot say what the jeweler will do exactly, and since
she is not charging me for the work, I give her artistic liscence to do whatever she wishes.

Ultimately, I would like to display the stones and settings at certain cultural centers matching the stone''s origins.
It''s a project which will take a while to realise.

 

[MJO]

Translucent,

I just put in a call to see if there are any peridot available in 50ct sizes in Pakistan. I think the one I know about right now is about 35cts. I will let you know next week.

 

[Scintillating]

WOW! That Bottle green Peridot is amazing!
I knew Peridot had to come in better color that typically seen.
I gotta get me some of that!

Scintillating...

 

[jszweda]

Hi! I am a newbie to this site but I figured I would chime in on at least the quality of the Pakistani stones. I have seen some of these things at least on these jewelry shows, and it''s very clean material or it can be. That picture that someone posted is probably the epitome of a good Pakistani peridot. If you want something that is at the very least eye clean, that shouldn''t be a problem. If you want something cleaner than that, you could find it.

As far as price goes, I have heard for the smaller stones, Van Cleef and Arpel and other designers are asking $500 a carat in some places for that stuff. With a place like that, it wouldn''t suprise me at all.

 

[valeria101]

From one thread to another... here''s something - half of this one would almost make the needed 50cts...

 

[jszweda]

WOW! For 27K, gee...I think I''ll just buy the whole parcel of where it came from.

 

[MJO]

Hello Translucent,

I found a stone for you that isn''t quite 50cts, it''s 43+ pakistani and clean. Here are the pictures. I had them sent to me from a dealer I know in NYC. He said that he can probubly find more in a couple of weeks but most dealers are at a show in Hong Kong right now.

 

[MJO]

Next shot

 

[Kismet]

I was browsing some websites this morning and I saw this peridot that might fit your needs. I know nothing about the sellers though.

 

[Translucent]

Thank you Kismet. The 65carat stone is unfortunately a tad too big. The shape is wonderful though.

MJO, that''s a perfect sized stone! Looks a bit hazey but it could just be the photo quality.

 

[MJO]

Hi Translucent,

This is the cherrypicked link to peridot. It says that peridot appears hazy as it is an optical property of the stone itself.

http://www.cherrypicked.com/Info/Learn.aspx?TypeGroupingID=8

 

[Richard M.]

Date: 9/26/2005 9:11:14 PM
Author: MJO
peridot appears hazy as it is an optical property of the stone itself.

Peridot is one of the more strongly double-refractive gems and doubling of the back facets is usually visible. That property can make it appear somewhat hazy.

 

[MJO]

Hello Richard,

Thank you for your definition of the Hazy effect. I couldn''t remember the exact wording.

Regards,
Maurice

 

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Looky what was just posted on AStones.com (and just as quickly sold..

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These peridots are buff topped...aren''t they unusual and yummy?

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[MJO]

Hi Widget,

Those are very different. I love them.