Please advise!!!

[Matthewswife]

Hi, this is my first post. I really need help! Long story short, I'm looking to trade my round brilliant four carat GIA L SI2 for a smaller better quality emerald cut. Equal trade, dollar for dollar. My jeweler is pushing a GIA 2.5 carat H. My concerns are that it has medium blue flour and the depth and table percentages seem way off. They are: table 72% and depth 55%. The measurements are really large for a 2.5 carat, 9.51mm x 7.13 x 3.94. The girdle is extremely thin to medium. Is he trying to scam me??? He is giving me store credit for my original purchase price, so he is pricing this stone the same as my current diamond. Help!!!!

 

[Gypsy]

Yeah, that's not sounding like a good emerald.
The fluorescence doesn't worry me. But I would not by an EC with a very thin girdle. And the table and depth are... REALLY not likely to produce a quality stone with good light return. AT all.

 

[Matthewswife]

Good to know. I really don't want to make a choice that would cause me to lose value. Here is the pic of the stone he sent me. When my husband bought me my current stone we were poorly educated and went with an EGL certification that graded my stone as a I VS2. Insurance requested we get a new cert and I was shocked and dismayed to get it back as an L SI2. Don't want to make another mistake.

 

[Gypsy]

Can't tell much from that pic. Doesn't look bad. But that girdle an those measurements are... really not boding well.

If you are doing this in person this is what I'd do: I'd call one of these appraisers, if there are any near you: https://www.pricescope.com/appraisers Then I'd make an appointment. Make sure they have an ASET scope.

I'd leave my diamond there with him for a day. And in exchange take that emerald cut to the appraiser. (get it in writing that they are holding your ring as collateral, and that you will be taking the Emerald cut to an appraiser, list the GIA lab report number of the stone, and that you will be bring it back in 24 hours). And then get their evaluation on the light return.

Do the appraisal in your presence. And look through the ASET scope yourself.

Here's how to use one: http://www.ideal-scope.com/1.using_ASET_scope.asp


That's the best advice I have.

 

[Matthewswife]

That's great advice and I appreciate it completely! I'm going there tomorrow. I am going to try and do what you suggested, or make a future appt to come back.

 

[howardc]

What is the clarity grade of the 2.5ct emerald?

Also what are the specs of your current 4ct round brilliant (cut, fluorescence)?

 

[Matthewswife]

The 2.5 EC is VS1

My diamond has a very good cut, zero fluorescence, good polish and good symmetry

 

[Gypsy]

good symmetry is also not good. Stone has all the hallmarks of something this jewler is trying to offload. Go to a.good INDEPENDENT (key term) appraiser.from that list. Then we'll see.

If the jeweler objects.walk away. he's got something to hide. And that's. a.deal breaker.

 

[Karl_K]

If you blow that image up and crop it you get this:

Everywhere you see blue inside the stone is leakage.
There is way too much including bad p3 angles.

 

[Matthewswife]

Thanks for the better look at the stone! I didn't know you could have many inclusions in a VS1 grade!

 

[Gypsy]

Thanks for the better look at the stone! I didn't know you could have many inclusions in a VS1 grade!

VS1 is VERY safe my own square emerald cut is a VS1 and I can't find my inclusions with a 10x loupe.

Appraiser.

 

[chrono]

Not sure what you mean by "many inclusions in a VS1 stone". I don't see anything and haven't seen anything in an EC graded as such. The cut of that particular EC is sorely lacking though.

 

[mamasooz]

I am no jeweler but I have a question....you are trading your present diamond to the same jeweler who sold it to you ... and the grading was not accurate?

 

[Matthewswife]

Understandable question! I feel responsible for choosing a diamond that was certified by the EGL. I would prefer to go somewhere else but feel like this is my best bet because they are offering me all the money I originally paid for a new stone. Selling it on my own seems tough, but may be my best option. I contacted an appraiser from the link above. He wants to sell it for me in his shop for %15 of the price. And of course he says he has perfect the exact stone I'm looking for. Feeling overwhelmed.

 

[Gypsy]

WHO wants to sell things for you?
The APPRAISER?

 

[Matthewswife]

Yep. He owns a shop in irvine called liberty diamonds. I found him on a price scope search. He was actually pretty nice but I don't want to lose that much money. He has tons of reviews on yelp that are fantastic which is nice.

 

[Gypsy]

Yep. He owns a shop in irvine called liberty diamonds. I found him on a price scope search. He was actually pretty nice but I don't want to lose that much money. He has tons of reviews on yelp that are fantastic which is nice.

No. That's not good.
You need an independent appraiser. Not one that has his own retail store and is trying to push his agenda on to you. I'm sorry. Was he the only one close to you on that map?

 

[Gypsy]

Can you get to LA? I assume that you are near there if this guy is in Irvine.

Patrick Davis is a great appraiser. He's very affordable and definitely will not push his own agenda on to you.

 

[Matthewswife]

Thank you , Gypsy, for the thoughtful info. I will look into him.

 

[howardc]

The 2.5 EC is VS1

My diamond has a very good cut, zero fluorescence, good polish and good symmetry

The value of an 2.5 H VS1 emerald cut is a less than your 4ct. End of the day he's running a business and he's going to profit of this transaction. The colour and clarity is much better than your 4ct but you are loosing 1.5 from your previous rock.

The emerald cut depth at 55% is quite shallow. But for fancy shape it's all about personal preference. Go have a look somewhere where they have a large selection of emerald cut diamonds and then decide if you really want to trade it in.

 

[Gypsy]

The 2.5 EC is VS1

My diamond has a very good cut, zero fluorescence, good polish and good symmetry

The value of an 2.5 H VS1 emerald cut is a less than your 4ct. End of the day he's running a business and he's going to profit of this transaction. The colour and clarity is much better than your 4ct but you are loosing 1.5 from your previous rock.

The emerald cut depth at 55% is quite shallow. But for fancy shape it's all about personal preference. Go have a look somewhere where they have a large selection of emerald cut diamonds and then decide if you really want to trade it in.

This is not true. An EGL graded (poorly graded) SI2 round of that carat weight could easily be the same price as a GIA H 2.5 carat EC.

 

[Matthewswife]

Thank you everyone for your input. I talked to a local jeweler this afternoon and he viewed the pic and specs of the EC. His advice was to keep my diamond. I have been beating myself up for not being educated and buying what I thought was a different quality diamond,. I probably would have always been happy if I hadn't gotten the GIA report and remained blissfully unaware. At the end of the day, I just need to love my ring and appreciate the beauty it has. I'll just accept this as another example of my spontaneity... (like that tattoo I got in Hawaii, or that time I went platinum blonde). I attached some pictures of my ring for anyone curious about an L colored stone set into a halo.

 

[Gypsy]

Looks like a lovely ring. I like your setting very much.

Have you thought of maybe a recut for performance and then getting it sent to the GIA for grading?

 

[Matthewswife]

Thank you! No, I hadn't thought of that. Maybe in the future... As for now I'm going to try and forget about grades and be content. It's a good idea though. Thanks again for all the advice, it was very valuable.

 

[Gypsy]

Anytime!

 

[howardc]

The 2.5 EC is VS1

My diamond has a very good cut, zero fluorescence, good polish and good symmetry

The value of an 2.5 H VS1 emerald cut is a less than your 4ct. End of the day he's running a business and he's going to profit of this transaction. The colour and clarity is much better than your 4ct but you are loosing 1.5 from your previous rock.

The emerald cut depth at 55% is quite shallow. But for fancy shape it's all about personal preference. Go have a look somewhere where they have a large selection of emerald cut diamonds and then decide if you really want to trade it in.

This is not true. An EGL graded (poorly graded) SI2 round of that carat weight could easily be the same price as a GIA H 2.5 carat EC.

I read that both diamonds were GIA certified so i compared as so. Sorry for not being specific. I agree to you point if the round diamond is an EGL.