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AprilBaby said:
But if a 6 ct goes for $90,000 don’t you think she could recoup her money to someone like her who wants size over quality?
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Most 6ct like this one are around this price. Maybe a bit higher but not 90k. So I don't think she's going to recoup anything
 
AprilBaby said:
But if a 6 ct goes for $90,000 don’t you think she could recoup her money to someone like her who wants size over quality?
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The comps I found are retail. I don't know what a dealer would pay. Consignment would likely be the best avenue for this price point.

I do want to point out the auction house gave an estimated range. OP won the ring at the top end of the estimate not over it. The figure being quoted is inclusive of the buyers premium and sales tax.
 
lulu_ma said:
OP won the ring at the top end of the estimate not over it. The figure being quoted is inclusive of the buyers premium and sales tax.
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But: we are talking about the cost. It would be misleading for them to say they got the diamond for 30K and yadda-yadda over the additional 10K that the transaction required (maybe state sales tax aside). Similarly, I got my house for half-price -- if you don't count the other half.
 
LilAlex said:
But: we are talking about the cost. It would be misleading for them to say they got the diamond for 30K and yadda-yadda over the additional 10K that the transaction required (maybe state sales tax aside). Similarly, I got my house for half-price -- if you don't count the other half.
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OP mentioned the inclusive price of $42k earlier.

I am just pointing out that OP didn’t pay over the estimate.
 
You guys are great here! And tough :appl:
Incredible help thank you for all your advice and professional opinions !


Yes the retail is too high for me in that size category
So that’s why I choose auction /consignment
I’ve watched some similar size diamonds go for much higher with of course better 4c’s

And I wish I can make my perches directly from Rapnet or Rapaport
one day :)
 
Resale is going to be impossible.

These days if someone wants Big and In-Budget the resounding advice is to go lab; the pool of people who will demand mined but who also want modern, and who will sacrifice clarity and cut to this degree for size is… Even “infinitesimal” is a generous descriptor, honestly.

She’s not gonna be able to flip this thing without taking a heck of a bath. Now or in future. In fact, resale possibility only gets worse the longer she owns it - prices on large labs will continue to drop.
 
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yssie said:
Resale is going to be impossible.

These days if someone wants Big and In-Budget the resounding advice is to go lab; the pool of people who will demand mined but who also want modern, and who will sacrifice clarity and cut to this degree for size is… Even “infinitesimal” is a generous descriptor, honestly.

She’s not gonna be able to flip this thing without taking a heck of a bath. Now or in future. In fact, resale possibility only gets worse the longer she owns it - prices on large labs will continue to drop.
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Agree 100%. If the buyer is happy that's great. But if it was purchased for resale they're pretty screwed.
 
Can’t wait to see it.

About value and recutting… I wonder how much people would pay for a GIA certified 6+ carat J color wonderfully wonky old cut, even if it were I1. There might be a cutter out there who can get an SI2.

Can someone find a J+, 6.4x+ GIA-certified diamond for cheaper? All I could find was a HRD certified 6.3 for the same price. I am not a connoisseur of big diamonds. But there are a ton of hipster wonky stone vendors these days who would probably be able to sell this kind of diamond.
 
oncrutchesrightnow said:
Can’t wait to see it.

About value and recutting… I wonder how much people would pay for a GIA certified 6+ carat J color wonderfully wonky old cut, even if it were I1. There might be a cutter out there who can get an SI2.

Can someone find a J+, 6.4x+ GIA-certified diamond for cheaper? All I could find was a HRD certified 6.3 for the same price. I am not a connoisseur of big diamonds. But there are a ton of hipster wonky stone vendors these days who would probably be able to sell this kind of diamond.
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HRD is the gold standard in Europe and at least in india, where I am from, would trade at perhaps a small discount to GIA but not significantly (IGI is at a steeper discount, EGL at a much steeper discount). I’d love to see the 6.3 J HRD you found if you still remember where!
 
oncrutchesrightnow said:
Can’t wait to see it.

About value and recutting… I wonder how much people would pay for a GIA certified 6+ carat J color wonderfully wonky old cut, even if it were I1. There might be a cutter out there who can get an SI2.

Can someone find a J+, 6.4x+ GIA-certified diamond for cheaper? All I could find was a HRD certified 6.3 for the same price. I am not a connoisseur of big diamonds. But there are a ton of hipster wonky stone vendors these days who would probably be able to sell this kind of diamond.
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mayaINaU said:
We are talking about $42,000. It would be worth it to me to cancel. Do not buy this. We can find you something better. Who cares if they never let you bid again? They are selling sub-standard items and lying to you about how nice they are.

Can anyone find the thread of the lady who was about to buy a terrible 7 carat diamond, and she followed recommendations to contact White Flash, and they found her something much more beautiful at a very similar size? I’m looking but can’t remember enough to search efficiently for it.
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I think it’s kind of harsh to say they’re “lying” and selling “sub-standard” items when they posted a recent 2024 GIA report, sent her at least 3 videos and provided the providence of the ring, among others. I don’t have a dog in this fight. But I’ve bought occasionally from this auction house ( and others before) and their job is to auction off items at the highest price. As buyers, ours is to be discerning, review everything carefully, ask for a condition report, ask questions until satisfied, ask for videos (color and black and white - you can ask - if they won’t send - don’t buy!) and do our due diligence. And to bid carefully.

And yes, I agree OP could have asked PS before bidding. She did not. I’m not criticizing OP - just stating a fact. My experience asking PS - I asked some months ago about an OEC before bidding. Reactions were, justifiably, mixed. I paid about $1950 (inclusive of fees and taxes) for a 1.13 M VS1 OEC - it was very hard to tell from the one photo and video, frankly, whether it was a good or even decent OEC. I trusted MY gut, asked questions about its liveliness and others and I lucked out - its OEC cut pattern is beautiful. I like the color. It’s lively and pretty. I’m happy. My daughter gasped when she saw it. But buying at auction is risky and not for the faint of heart. (Also the opinions expressed by auction associates are just that - subjective opinions.)

OP - best of luck with your ring. Come back and show us.

P.S. OP - I’m one of the ones who wouldn’t buy a 6.5 carat diamond ring - but love that you will rock it!
 
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One more retail comp albeit a fancy shape. I’d say that this IG retailer is on the lower end of retail price points. A couple lower ctw pears thrown in for comparison.

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OP, I hope that the ring arrives safely and your heart is singing when you see her in person. She’s a large stone for sure. I think she looks much better without her jackets - sort of like a halo, it minimises the central stone’s impact IMO.
 
HGar said:
OP, I hope that the ring arrives safely and your heart is singing when you see her in person. She’s a large stone for sure. I think she looks much better without her jackets - sort of like a halo, it minimises the central stone’s impact IMO.
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I agree with this totally. I'd dismantle the jackets and make a fabbo diamonds by the yard necklace of some sort. Or a bracelet. But that 6.44 diamond is a stand alone.

@ACDC - I have a 6.3ctw three stone ring. it's a different look to a solitaire, of course, but it's definitely a big look. And i love it. My finger is a size 7, and it's puffy, and my three stone makes my finger look perfectly acceptable - to MY eye. I do hope other people like it, but at the end of the day, if the whole world hated it, I wouldn't change it and I'd still love it.

I know people who think Brad Pitt is weird looking. And Ryan Gosling was voted People's Sexiest Man of the Year. So all i can say is - taste is personal. You do what makes you happy.

So. Having said all that... Any sign of it yet? :kiss2:
 
mrs-b said:
I agree with this totally. I'd dismantle the jackets and make a fabbo diamonds by the yard necklace of some sort. Or a bracelet. But that 6.44 diamond is a stand alone.
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Oooh now that would be spectacular - a huge honker of a ring AND a fabulous necklace / bracelet :-)
 
Thank you guys the necklace idea is amazing!
Or make a eternity band
Because I definitely don’t care for that ring jacket
Just have to figure out the design and find the right jeweler to make it with

Mrs-b I know your ring is gorgeous so awesome ! I love big beautiful diamonds :kiss2: The bigger the better :D
 
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Update
I received it and at a jeweler now
It is AMAZING, GORGEOUS and HAS SO MUCH SPARKLE :kiss2:
I’m so happy can’t see inclusions , color is white and sooooo sparkly
I’m in love!
I don’t need to recut it at all
I’ll post pictures when I’ll get it back
 
ACDC said:
Update
I received it and at a jeweler now
It is AMAZING, GORGEOUS and HAS SO MUCH SPARKLE :kiss2:
I’m so happy can’t see inclusions , color is white and sooooo sparkly
I’m in love!
I don’t need to recut it at all
I’ll post pictures when I’ll get it back
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Congratulations! I'm so happy it worked out for you!! Would love to see whatever pictures or videos you feel comfortable sharing!!
 
ACDC said:
Update
I received it and at a jeweler now
It is AMAZING, GORGEOUS and HAS SO MUCH SPARKLE :kiss2:
I’m so happy can’t see inclusions , color is white and sooooo sparkly
I’m in love!
I don’t need to recut it at all
I’ll post pictures when I’ll get it back
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Perfect! And you must now pay the pipers (us!) with many pictures!!!
 
@ACDC so happy your ring is making your heart sing. Eagerly awaiting photos.
 
ACDC said:
Update
I received it and at a jeweler now
It is AMAZING, GORGEOUS and HAS SO MUCH SPARKLE :kiss2:
I’m so happy can’t see inclusions , color is white and sooooo sparkly
I’m in love!
I don’t need to recut it at all
I’ll post pictures when I’ll get it back
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Thats great to hear that you love it! At the end of the day, that's all that really matters, YOU love and enjoy it. I have a bunch of "no one will love this but me" things, one of which is probably my husband, but I love those things so much, and they're uniquely me. Enjoy and cant wait to see your pics!
 
Inked said:
Thats great to hear that you love it! At the end of the day, that's all that really matters, YOU love and enjoy it. I have a bunch of "no one will love this but me" things, one of which is probably my husband, but I love those things so much, and they're uniquely me. Enjoy and cant wait to see your pics!
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“One of which is probably my husband” … I just burst out laughing at work:lol-2:
 
Can't wait to see the pix!
I have two large (4.5ct and 7ct) I1 not such great cut diamonds that have always looked like a million bucks to me so I'm a fan!
 
Nice
Million bucks for sure!
I just posted pictures in “show me the blink“
Thank you!!
 
Hi guys!

I was also wondering should I improve it in the future and recut it?
Would recutting it improve the value or it’s not necessary ?
The estimate I got from Southwest diamond Based on the measurements from the certificate the weight from 6.44ct will go to a 6.05cts excellent cut

And got a estimate from Brian Gavin
“On his recommended ideal proportions that we abide by here..
Unfortunately, due to the way the weight is proportined currently in your diamond, there is not a way to maintain the 6 carat total weight. He predicts it will be closer to 5.8 carats, so there is a chance it will be under this. We can't guarantee anything until the stone is done, and has left the cutting wheel.”
So it’ll be around 5.8-5.7ct for ideal


It is still very sparkly and has fire

what do you guys think the best thing to do?
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HI:

Why don't you live with it for a while before taking any action? That said, I don't think I'd consider a recut if the stone was taken under the 6 ctw mark.

Did either cutter suggest that a recut might improve the clarity? Worth a think.

cheers--Sharon
 
ACDC said:
Hi guys!

I was also wondering should I improve it in the future and recut it?
Would recutting it improve the value or it’s not necessary ?
The estimate I got from Southwest diamond Based on the measurements from the certificate the weight from 6.44ct will go to a 6.05cts excellent cut

And got a estimate from Brian Gavin
“On his recommended ideal proportions that we abide by here..
Unfortunately, due to the way the weight is proportined currently in your diamond, there is not a way to maintain the 6 carat total weight. He predicts it will be closer to 5.8 carats, so there is a chance it will be under this. We can't guarantee anything until the stone is done, and has left the cutting wheel.”
So it’ll be around 5.8-5.7ct for ideal


It is still very sparkly and has fire

what do you guys think the best thing to do?
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Honestly, I would leave it. Did you send them the inclusion plot plan?

I wonder if there would be any issues with the natural on the girdle.
 
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