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Ragdoll "parents" -- this thread''s for you! Brag and post photos here!

What beautiful ragdolls! Just wanted to chime in on the HCM disease - my husband works on the human version of the disease. These are my non-doctor, non-medical person impressions:

It is a dominant disease, meaning that only one bad copy of a gene is needed to cause disease. Different mutations will cause different forms or levels of severity of the disease. However, even among those with the same genetic mutation, there is variability in disease severity and onset.

The breeder using the term "carrier" is not really the right idea as that term is an animal is heterozygous (one bad/one good gene) with a recessive disease. For recessive diseases, you need two bad copies of the gene to have the disease so a carrier is disease- and symptom-free. Animals heterozygous for HCM may or may not show disease symptoms, but its hard to call them disease free because of the nature of the disease - it can easily lurk undetected in animals that do have the disease and are at risk of things like sudden cardiac death.

At least in humans, people walk around all the time with HCM and don't know it until they suddenly drop dead or suffer a scarey arrythmia from which they somehow recover and survive. While some HCM patients do develop heart failure (which is a progressive situation) and that leads to their diagnosis, many others show no symptoms until they have a sudden death event (or a family member is diagnosed, leading to family genetic testing). So it seems entirely possible that HCM studs/queens in a breeding program could be undiagnosed, and yet those cats still have the disease. Even if one cat happens to die suddenly it could remain an unexplained death with no diagnosis.

But even with all this bad news I don't think HCM is the worst news possible, Lynn. The disease incidence in the US is 1:500 for humans so lots of people have this and live with it everyday. You should just enjoy him for however long you are lucky enough to have him in your life. There may be simple drugs that your vet might prescribe but I don't know what the standard is! With humans, one of the big things is exercise guidelines but I don't know how you'd implement that with a cat given their general mode of exercise! In humans, one is supposed to engage in lots of low level exercise, and high exertion is prohibited. Nothing over a 6 on a 10-point exertion scale, no competitive athletics, etc. It increases the likelihood of starting a bad rhythm and having a sudden death event. At the same time you want to keep the heart in shape (such that normal life activities like walking up stairs do not require high levels of exertion) hence the recommendation for lots of low level exercise. I have no idea if this translates to the cat HCM or its even possible to implement since most cats do lots of bursts of exercise and then laze about all day, but I thought I'd throw this out there. Of course, there are always people that decide they are going to live their life how they want to and enjoy it, and it might be that letting your cat live as he wants is the best way here too. There is little you can do about your little guy having these genes other than treating him as your vet recommends. It sure is a shame, but he was born this way if that makes any difference at all.
 
Date: 8/2/2009 4:51:00 PM
Author: Lynn B

For Boo''s sake, I cannot afford to be naive about this, but I also cannot be a slave to the ''what ifs''. I want to be balanced and realistic but for my own sake, I need to to cling to optimism as much as possible -- and the fact is that my sweet Boo may well live a long and healthy life.
Your line of thinking is a healthy way to approach this issue Lynn! Just remember, animals can pick up on our emotions, so continue to stay positive for your little man.
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And just because I have it... here''s a picture of my sweet and precious boy, just taken yesterday!

Great picture, you even caught the glimmer in his eyes!!
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Date: 8/14/2009 5:31:49 PM
Author: sap483
Hello! Squeaky just went to the groomer''s today and looks so pretty that I thought I''d post his pic.
What a pretty Himmie!

I wish I could take Omie to the groomer, but she would need to be sedated
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Here is a picture of the diva. I had been taking pictures of my e-ring for PS and she had been yelling at me because I was not paying attention to her. Mind you, I starting taking photos of my ring when she was napping. A few minutes into the photo session, she woke up, as if she knew the camera was out. She started yowling, pawing at me, doing anything to grab my attention. I ignored her until she settled down and then I took a few pictures of her as a reward. So, here is one of them. Not the best picture, as she looks a bit cross-eyed, but don't tell her that.

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Awwwww Omie, a new picture of our sweet Diva!!!! She is soooooo beautiful!
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Thanks for sharing!
(And thank you for your kind words about Boo, too!) xoxox! (And BTW, he just told me that he still wants to go out with her!!!
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And Cara,
Thanks for your post, too. I appreciate your input. I wonder how much is similar or different between HCM in people and cats? It's definitely a complex subject, and I intend on continuing to educate myself and to be as proactive with Boo's health care as I can be.
I remind myself that he does NOT have HCM; merely one copy of one mutated, identified gene. There are a LOT of heterozygous cats like Boo (most of them untested and unkown, though) living long, healthy and happy lives. His own parents (who have not been tested, but obviously one or both of them carries one or two copies of the gene) are 8 years old and healthy, and living 3 hours away from me. THAT is very good news for Boo. We have a vet visit next week for a thorough check-up and to discuss Boo's test results as regards "where we go from here." I have already had a really informative and encouraging telephone discussion with the vet, and he reminded me that yes it is important to take this seriously, but this is not a death sentence for him. The odds are still WILDLY in Boo's favor that he will live a long and healthy life. And I am clinging to that!
 
Lynn,

I just read your post and I am sorry about the results with Boo. This HCM thing is so confusing, and now I am wondering if I should have my Sebastian tested. I''m pretty sure I mentioned to you earlier that Sebastian was suspected of having HCM last year when I took him to get fixed. The vet found a heart murmur at 6 months that he had never heard in my earlier vet visits. They would not fix him without doing the echocardiogram first. He was found to just have a heart murmur (level 4 out of 10). Of course they want me to do repeat echo''s, but it is very costly, so I''m not sure what to do. Advice?

Here are some new pics of my little man, he is sooooo mischievous!

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Here is another pic of Sebastian, hanging out with some friends...LOL!

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Last one for today, Sebastian relaxing in his perch!

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Date: 8/14/2009 5:31:49 PM
Author: sap483
Hello! Squeaky just went to the groomer''s today and looks so pretty that I thought I''d post his pic. Lynn had invited him a while back to be an honorary ragdoll (he''s a Himalayan), so I hope you don''t mind my posting here :)

Lynn- I''m so sorry to hear about Boo''s test results. My thoughts and prayers are with you.

BigDiamonds - Miles is so stinkin cute (and so is Coltrane). Is Coltrane enjoying his new brother''s company yet?
SAP483,

OMG, your Squeaky is sooooooo gorgeous! Thanks for posting!
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Date: 8/19/2009 1:56:55 PM
Author: beechezz
Lynn,

I just read your post and I am sorry about the results with Boo. This HCM thing is so confusing, and now I am wondering if I should have my Sebastian tested. I'm pretty sure I mentioned to you earlier that Sebastian was suspected of having HCM last year when I took him to get fixed. The vet found a heart murmur at 6 months that he had never heard in my earlier vet visits. They would not fix him without doing the echocardiogram first. He was found to just have a heart murmur (level 4 out of 10). Of course they want me to do repeat echo's, but it is very costly, so I'm not sure what to do. Advice?

Here are some new pics of my little man, he is sooooo mischievous!


Hey Beech, so glad you popped in with some new pictures!
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Yes, the HCM thing is VERY confusing... I agree. I have read and researched for weeks now and I am still learning.

I guess the first question (when deciding to test) is... is there value in knowing? And if so, what? Well, basically, the value of knowing is that you now have knowledge that you can use to make choices that can make a REAL difference in your cat's life, in many different ways. The fact that Sebastian was suspicious for HCM last year would definitely prompt me to get the DNA testing done, and quickly. I would think that knowing his status could be of great value to you and your vet; help to let you know what you may be up against, and could potentially tailor how he is treated. The test is an easy home-test (I did the cheek swab with Boo, no vet visit required) and surprisingly affordable (I thought) at $60 through WSU (Washington State University). Please scroll up to my earlier posts for other informative links on HCM and the DNA testing. I think it will help you decide.

I was resistant at first... I just "didn't want to know", because, frankly, I was afraid. I was terrified of getting a bad result, I knew i would likely worry and fret... but then I realized that I was being selfish and thinking mainly of myself. And this isn't about me, it is about Boo... and having him tested was in HIS best interest. And at that point, then, the decision was easy.

As you know, Boo is het/positive, which means he inherited one normal gene and one mutated gene from his parents. Our vet visit (in follow up to learning this, and scheduled with the "nice vet in the next town"!) was yesterday, and here's our update:

He listened intently to my questions, spent a LOT of time with us, and really gave Boo a thorough physical exam. He said that Boo "looks fantastic" and appears to be "in perfect health."

We then talked at length about Boo's het/pos status and discussed all options; from "doing nothing" to traveling several hours away (Cleveland, for us) for a full cardiac work-up and scan (ultrasound of the heart) by a board-certified feline cardiologist. After much discussion, here is what I have decided to do, for now.
I am going to get Boo scanned locally, in our vet's office. There is value in getting a scan done. Not only does it show potential problems (heart wall thickening, etc.) but even if NORMAL - it gives a valuable "baseline" for future monitoring. Our vet did candidly tell me that he is NOT a cardiologist, and yes, he could potentially miss a subtle nuance on the scan. BUT, he says he really does do a fair number of them, and he feels confident that he can get us an accurate picture of what is going on, if anything. And if there is ANYTHING that isn't 100% normal, or he feels in ANY way that he may be missing or misreading ANYthing, he will absolutely let me know that, and I can choose to go Cleveland then.

He also told me that they have a new vet on staff (Dr. G) -- an internist, and he comes from a teaching hospital with a LOT of experience in heart scanning. So our vet said that if I schedule Boo's scan on a day that Dr. G is also working, then he will ask him to assist and they will do Boo's scan together. I found that reassuring, and so I said OK and scheduled Boo's scan for a day (Sept. 1) when they are both in the office.
Future follow-up will depend on what the scan shows, of course, Boo's future health issues (if any), the vets' recommendations and and my own comfort level/peace of mind. If I want to continue to have Boo checked annually, or move his check-ups to every 6 months, we could do that. If there is any indication at all that Boo needs to go to Cleveland, we will do that.

I feel very happy and encouraged by the visit. Honestly, our vet just didn't seem overly concerned with the pos/het status report. He said he absolutely thinks that we were doing the right thing by being proactive, scheduling the scan and of course always keeping a close eye on him -- but mostly he just seemed really optimistic about Boo's "prognosis" and said that he thinks we have every reason to expect Boo to get old and gray and crotchety!
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Lynn,

Thanks for getting back to me, and giving me the update on Boo''s vet visit. I feel a little better from the conversation that you had with your veterinarian. Of course, my vet still monitors Sebastian closely, he never gave me reason to worry. I was a little taken back last year when they told me they couldn''t "fix" him, and he would need they echocardiogram before they did-of course I walked out of the vet''s office, with Sebastian, in tears. I fretted for a week until they had the specialist come in and run the test, and of course the entire day until I returned and they told me that it was just a heart murmur. I guess they were just concerned because they had never detected the murmur before. I left there feeling very confident. I called the breeder immediately and she told me that she had never had HCM come up with any of her babies and she has been breeding for over 15 years. I will definitely do that test that you told me about through Washington State University, and will report back.

Thanks again Lynn....your Boo is sooooooo handsome, I know the love that you feel, I am head over heels with my little guy!
 
Date: 8/20/2009 6:29:13 PM
Author: beechezz
Lynn,

Thanks for getting back to me, and giving me the update on Boo's vet visit. I feel a little better from the conversation that you had with your veterinarian. Of course, my vet still monitors Sebastian closely, he never gave me reason to worry. I was a little taken back last year when they told me they couldn't 'fix' him, and he would need they echocardiogram before they did-of course I walked out of the vet's office, with Sebastian, in tears. I fretted for a week until they had the specialist come in and run the test, and of course the entire day until I returned and they told me that it was just a heart murmur. I guess they were just concerned because they had never detected the murmur before. I left there feeling very confident. I called the breeder immediately and she told me that she had never had HCM come up with any of her babies and she has been breeding for over 15 years. I will definitely do that test that you told me about through Washington State University, and will report back.

Thanks again Lynn....your Boo is sooooooo handsome, I know the love that you feel, I am head over heels with my little guy!
Beechezz,

I'm glad that I could help and that you feel a little better. HCM is scary because it is so COMMON and also because it is so unpredictable. A cat can have no symptoms and actually have advanced HCM (and even die suddenly without any "warning"), or have (by a diagnostic scan) very advanced HCM and yet not seem to be ill at all. And of course, anything in between is also possible. Also, a heart murmur can mean something, or mean nothing, in terms of HCM. There are just so few absolutes. That's why the DNA test is so valuable, because it gives us a critical piece of the puzzle that simply cannot be picked up any other way -- not by the most thorough exam or the most sophisticated tests. We are so lucky to have this now for our Raggies.

How old is Sebastion? Remember, the DNA test technology is still very new. It just became available 2 years ago, after Boo was already born and living with us. Once the test became available, breeders had a decision to make... conscientiously test their cats and perhaps drastically alter their breeding program (and potentially their income) based on those results -- or not. (The "or not" option has unfortunately been made by too many, and that's why too many people are still getting kittens with no idea of their DNA status. ) And then some breeders (like Boo's) just packed it in and closed up shop.

Honestly, I hate to say this, and believe me - no offense intended - but what your breeder told you is basically meaningless. Boo's breeder told me pretty much the same thing before I had Boo tested. She said I had nothing to worry about because several years ago Boo's dad was "scanned" and "he's fine", and "none of her babies have ever gotten sick or died from HCM". Well, that piece of cheese is just full of holes! First of all, the fact that Boo's father was scanned several years ago and was negative doesn't say a thing for his HCM DNA status. All it means is that AT THAT TIME, his heart looked healthy. Which was a very good thing, of course, but doesn't tell us anything about the future. Neither does her remark tell us anything about Boo's mother, and she's half of the equation! Boo inherited one gene from each of them! And regarding the "none of my babies have ever gotten sick or died..." comment, well, that's simply impossible for her to say with even the remotest of certainty! I know for a fact that she has no idea what happened to MOST of the kittens she placed. And last of all, who's to say she is even telling me the truth? There's no way to prove anything. And the bottom line? My "nothing to worry about" turned up as Boo being het/positive, and for goodness sakes, for all she knew, he could have turned up homozygous (pos/pos)! Now THAT'S something to worry about!

As I have said, I understand the fear and reluctance to get our Raggies tested. I have been there. I almost chickened out myself. But in the end, I knew it was for the best, and I am glad - for my sweet Boo's sake -- that I did. I encourage other Raggie parents to do the same. I simply believe that it's the responsible thing to do.
 
Bumping this thread because another thread reminded me I had forgotten to update you guys on Boo. Sorry!

He had a full check up and heart scan on Sept. 1 and his heart wall measurements are all within normal limits. There are no signs at all of HCM and all indicators at this point are that my sweet boy is perfectly healthy and going to live a long, long life.

I will keep getting heart scans done periodically, just to keep an eye on things and so that (if ever needed) we can start medication(s) as soon as possible for the best outcome possible.

But I am not planning for any problems!
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Oh my!! All of your kitties are sooooo adorable!! It makes me want to have one!! But, unfortunately, the FH is allergic
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. It''s good to know this thread is here so I could live vicariously through you all!
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Date: 9/11/2009 9:13:25 PM
Author: Lynn B
Bumping this thread because another thread reminded me I had forgotten to update you guys on Boo. Sorry!

He had a full check up and heart scan on Sept. 1 and his heart wall measurements are all within normal limits. There are no signs at all of HCM and all indicators at this point are that my sweet boy is perfectly healthy and going to live a long, long life.

I will keep getting heart scans done periodically, just to keep an eye on things and so that (if ever needed) we can start medication(s) as soon as possible for the best outcome possible.

But I am not planning for any problems!
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Oh Lynn, I just had to log in quickly and say how thrilled I am to hear about Boo''s totally normal test results. That''s WONDERFUL!!!!
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I know I haven''t been around much, we''ve been moving and before that I was in training for the new job - I''m sure I''ll be around more once we''re more settled, and I promise I''ll have some new pictures of Mr. Ollie cat in his new home.
 
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I send a big hug and Boo sends lots of purrs and *head bonks*!

Yes, we were delighted with the news from the scan. We plan to have him scanned again in 6 months, just to give the vet another look then. Then if that scan is normal as well, I expect we will go to yearly (or maybe even less frequent?) scanning. But it is something that (IMVHO) all pet owners of het/pos kitties should plan to do. It''s simply the best way we have so far to keep proactive and catch any signs of HCM in the earliest (most treatable) stages. If any sign of HCM is ever found, then medicine can be started, giving the cat the best chance for the best quality (and length) of life.

So... like I said, I''m staying positive about this, and not letting it worry me to death. But I also am trying to stay "smart"; I keep a close eye on Boo, and I plan to have him scanned on a regular basis (according to my own research and our vet''s recommendation) throughout his life.
 
YAY LYNN!!!
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I''m so happy for you and BOO! That is awesome news. Makes me feel better with my own situation.
Keep us posted!
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Date: 9/13/2009 4:35:13 PM
Author: beechezz
YAY LYNN!!!
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I'm so happy for you and BOO! That is awesome news. Makes me feel better with my own situation.
Keep us posted!
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Hey there, beechezz
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I have been thinking about you and your handsome Sebastian! Have you given any more thought to having him through WSU?
 
Hi Lynn,

I am still considering the testing. I just went back to school so things have been a little busy. As soon as things settle down I will follow through!
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Hey, I have a question for you.....have you ever had any trouble with Boo sleeping through the night? Sebastian is awful some nights no matter what we do before bedtime. He just gets into trouble, makes noise, anything to get us to wake up. He can be relentless.....HELP!
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Not to sound ignorant, but what are *signs* for HCM that the owner can watch for? I''ve only read of labored breathing... are there other things?

One vet found a low grade heart mumor on my kitty and two others found nothing--not sure who to believe. After they said that they couldn''t find anything, I even suggested that another vet heard it and they still couldn''t find anything. As far as I can see, my kitty is healthy and active. I feed her a nutritional and varied diet. She''s seems like a champ to me!
 
Date: 9/13/2009 6:10:32 PM
Author: beechezz
Hi Lynn,

I am still considering the testing. I just went back to school so things have been a little busy. As soon as things settle down I will follow through!
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Hey, I have a question for you.....have you ever had any trouble with Boo sleeping through the night? Sebastian is awful some nights no matter what we do before bedtime. He just gets into trouble, makes noise, anything to get us to wake up. He can be relentless.....HELP!
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I know the DNA testing is a scary thing that is so darn easy to just put on the back burner and "think about later"... believe me, i understand totally. But once I ordered the test kit from WSU, I immediately felt relieved and surprisingly empowered, like I now would have some control over how it would all go from here. I found that quite comforting. After all, *not knowing* wouldn''t change the facts; Boo would be what he is, he was born this way, and I couldn''t change it. Also, it''s not like there''s no benefit in knowing, so "why bother?" I think a lot of people still think that way, and it''s just not true. There is SO much that can be done to make a difference in the quality of the lifespan of the cat. NOT KNOWING, to me, is what can potentially harm the cat.

Now - regarding Sebastian''s nightime shenanigans... yes, I had a terrible bout with that a few months ago myself! Boo was driving us crazeeee! He had previously been sleeping through the night with us (or if he did get up, he was quiet as he moved around the house, and it never disturbed our sleep). Well, seemingly out of nowhere, he started to become really *obnoxious*
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My husband and I would try to comfort him, we''d pet him, we''d pat the bed for him to jump up (if he was on the floor), we''d try to comfort him by speaking to him softly, etc. It only got worse. We were literally losing HOURS of sleep a night, and I was at my wit''s end.

So...I took the problem over to my pals at Ragdoll Central, and they really did help me understand that what I was doing was actually encouraging this behavior of Boo''s. First of all, I was giving Boo his favorite food (his wet food) in the morning when I got up. Kind of like, "Good morning, Boo! Breakfast?!" And he LOVED that. (BTW, I free feed dry food, so that is always down. But he gets wet food several times a day.) They helped me to see that the treat of the wet food was what he was asking for. #1 suggestion: stop feeding wet food in the morning! And #2 suggestion was IGNORE HIM in the middle of the night when he cried. Do not pet him, pat him, talk to him, or in any way acknowlege him. We were advised not to even move or open our eyes! It was REALLY HARD... and it took a few weeks to really break the habit(s) he had become accustomed to, but it worked! I now feed Boo is wet food when I get home from work, and before bed. Dry food stays down all the time. And the problem is 100% solved. Boo now sleeps soundly and quietly all night long, every night. And it is wonderful!
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Soooo... look at your habits and see if there is anything that is could be *causing* this behavior of Sebastian''s, then implement a strategy to change it. It won''t happen overnight, but if you are consistent with your training, I''m sure you will have success, too. Once the RC folks pointed it out to me, I was like, "Duh!!! How could I be so stupid so as not to be able to see what was going on?!"
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But I really didn''t! Sometimes it just takes an objective outsider to see it, I guess.

And if this doesn''t help, or you still need help, ask ''em over at RC. They really are wonderful, and they DO know cats!

Keep us posted!!!
 
Date: 9/14/2009 2:42:12 PM
Author: MissPrudential
Not to sound ignorant, but what are *signs* for HCM that the owner can watch for? I''ve only read of labored breathing... are there other things?

One vet found a low grade heart mumor on my kitty and two others found nothing--not sure who to believe. After they said that they couldn''t find anything, I even suggested that another vet heard it and they still couldn''t find anything. As far as I can see, my kitty is healthy and active. I feed her a nutritional and varied diet. She''s seems like a champ to me!
Of course you don''t sound "ignorant"! You silly girl! It''s a great question, and very valid.

There''s a lot of valuable information on the internet regarding feline HCM, but here''s a good place to start. It''s a FAQ thread, currently still in progress, on Ragdoll Central. HCM Questions & Answers

The facts are that sometimes the signs of HCM can be extremely subtle, or even completely absent... that''s why regular heart scanning (which measures the heart walls) is still the only way to really see what''s going on in a cat where there is even a HINT of a suspicion of possible HCM.

And as far as the murmur goes, murmurs can come and go, which is why a vet may hear it at one visit, and not at another... or one vet may hear it, and another won''t. And, as regards HCM -- a murmur can mean nothing, or it can mean something. It''s just one more potential piece of the puzzle.
 
Lynn!!!!!

Thank you, thank you for the advice! We do not give Sebastian wet food at all (because he has tummy troubles and can only eat Prescription Royal Canin Hypoallergenic cat food.....lucky us @ $40 for a 6 pound bag, lol.) We usually do end up getting up and chasing him out of the room and locking him out...which of course leads to crying and scratching at the door for up to 30 minutes in the middle of the night, ugh!
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Soooooo, I guess we will try to ignore him completely tonight, and I will definitely report back to you. It might be hard because he likes to get up on the bed and pat me on my face (sometimes scratching me by accident, lol).
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I think I scared him the other night because I told him I was going to look for another place for him to live! I was literally up until 3:30 in the morning, nothing seemed to work...I was at my wit''s end!!
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Of course I didn''t mean it, but I have to say since that night he has been better. He has been sleeping in his perch next to me until at least 4am. I get up at 5:30 for school, so although unpleasant at least I have been getting at least 6 straight hours of sleep lately!
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He will usually go back to sleep after a little snuggle.

TONIGHT, we will implement your suggested plan, and I am praying that by ignoring his behavior he will give up and go back to sleep without bothering us at all. If not I will be heading over to Ragdoll Central to get more advice!
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I cannot thank you enough for making the obvious seem so OBVIOUS!

Look for Sebastian''s nightime report tomorrow!
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Date: 9/15/2009 7:03:28 PM
Author: beechezz
Lynn!!!!!

Thank you, thank you for the advice! We do not give Sebastian wet food at all (because he has tummy troubles and can only eat Prescription Royal Canin Hypoallergenic cat food.....lucky us @ $40 for a 6 pound bag, lol.) We usually do end up getting up and chasing him out of the room and locking him out...which of course leads to crying and scratching at the door for up to 30 minutes in the middle of the night, ugh!
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Soooooo, I guess we will try to ignore him completely tonight, and I will definitely report back to you. It might be hard because he likes to get up on the bed and pat me on my face (sometimes scratching me by accident, lol).
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I think I scared him the other night because I told him I was going to look for another place for him to live! I was literally up until 3:30 in the morning, nothing seemed to work...I was at my wit''s end!!
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Of course I didn''t mean it, but I have to say since that night he has been better. He has been sleeping in his perch next to me until at least 4am. I get up at 5:30 for school, so although unpleasant at least I have been getting at least 6 straight hours of sleep lately!
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He will usually go back to sleep after a little snuggle.

TONIGHT, we will implement your suggested plan, and I am praying that by ignoring his behavior he will give up and go back to sleep without bothering us at all. If not I will be heading over to Ragdoll Central to get more advice!
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I cannot thank you enough for making the obvious seem so OBVIOUS!

Look for Sebastian''s nightime report tomorrow!
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Ahhhhh, I feel your pain!!! I remember those days... er, NIGHTS!
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Well, hang in there, and remember it may take WEEKS to break this habit. Be sure that you and DH are on the "same page" before bed, and that both of you are willing and committed to 100% ignoring him, no matter how loud or obnoxious he may get! (And believe me, Boo got REALLY loud and obnoxious!)

And don''t feel bad about telling him you were going to find him a new place to live! During some of those worst sleepless nighttime escapades, I think I told Boo I was going to skin him alive, send him to the shelter, make a rug out of him, make STEW out of him, and possibly even drown him in the river!
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Of course I didn''t mean ANY OF IT, either, and I''m sure the little Stinkweed well knew it, too!!!
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Well, please keep us posted! And oh -- don''t expect overnight miracles. In fact, in our case, it even got WORSE before it got better (if you can imagine that!); Boo did NOT like being ignored one bit, and OH! He made that VERY clear!
 
I need some PS ragdoll expertise...Does this look somewhat like a ragdoll like kitten or does it look more like
a siamese with long hair? She is not a purebred kitty.

The spca is saying she is a blue pointed ragdoll like kitty. What do you think? More ragdoll or more siamese?
And what does blue lynx point mean?

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Same question about this kitty down in the front. They are calling him a ragdoll like blue lynx point male.
So ragdoll like or siamese like?

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Date: 9/16/2009 12:42:42 PM
Author: tyty333
I need some PS ragdoll expertise...Does this look somewhat like a ragdoll like kitten or does it look more like
a siamese with long hair? She is not a purebred kitty.

The spca is saying she is a blue pointed ragdoll like kitty. What do you think? More ragdoll or more siamese?
And what does blue lynx point mean?

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Oh my lord, this baby is beautiful!
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I would take her in a MINUTE!
And she absolutely looks Raggie to me!
Lynx means tabby stripes, and is actually one of my favorite Ragdoll patterns. Typically it gives a kitty stripeys in the tail and legs; with "eyeliner" around the eyes and a distinctive white edge to the ears. (And oh, the typical "M" on the forehead of tiger-striped kitties.)
I''m not really seeing the "lynx" in this baby, but I am seeing a beautiful blue "colorpoint", with darling little mismatched almost-"mittens".
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Oh, she''s a LOVE BUG!!!
Where is she AT???!
 
Date: 9/16/2009 1:06:37 PM
Author: tyty333
Same question about this kitty down in the front. They are calling him a ragdoll like blue lynx point male.
So ragdoll like or siamese like?

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More beautiful babies! I can't stand it!!! Where IS this SPCA???!

The baby in the front defintely looks Raggie to me, also -- AND much more like a lynx ("tabby") to me than the first one you posted. See the white ("eyeliner") around his eyes? And the edge of white on his ears? Also, you can see the faint "M" on his forehead. I'll bet his tail and legs show evidence of stripes coming in. His colors will most likely continue to deepen and darken and as he gets older, and his adorable lynxie markings will become much more evident.
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Here's a good link to show the various colors/patterns of Ragdolls: Ragdoll colors and patterns

OH, please keep us posted on what you decide to do! Me? I want them ALL!!!
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