Recuts - How much size are you willing to lose??

[SimoneDi]

Another good point... I had not considered the regrading. I may just go to the local HOF dealer and do that. I think I know what I'm going to do, but I really need to nip this in the bud, once and for all. Thanks!

Clean your ring before you go but yes go, see, compare and that hopefully will bring some clarity.

 

[Karl_K]

When you wear a diamond ring, you know exactly where that diamond lays on your finger... because you have spent hours staring at it! When I initially traded with WF, I went from a 2.22 to a 2.19 - .10 less in diameter. At first, it was OK but as time went on, I missed the difference in size. I know it sounds crazy but I totally believe it because I experienced it. So I upgraded again!

Imho
If you had not known the size difference in advance it would be a different story.

 

[msop04]

I am having an OEC tweaked currently - just a small tweak, and shouldn't lose too much size. Still, the facets under the table turned off and on all at once and were usually off, so even changing a small amount will I hope make it much sparklier. So I will get back to you on how perceptible the difference is when I get the diamond back! The cutter said what I wanted was so small they ordinarily would not do it, except they had spoken to me in person. I was on the fence about it until I spoke to them too but ultimately decided for what I wanted it was the best thing to try.

Personally for your stone, I wouldn't recut... to me the risk of going down in size from 9.8 to 9.4 would be unacceptable. I can see a .1 mm difference in size, despite the common perception on here that that difference is too small to be seen, so .4 would be obvious.



This is what I think is happening. Is it possible for you to arrange to see a superideal of around 9.4 mm next to your stone? Is there anywhere that carries them near you that you could visit, to see if you can tell a difference? I think the best way to know what you will be happy with is direct comparison to the sort of thing you might get, which it seems you have not yet done. Of course make sure your diamond is super clean first, so you aren't tricked by just dirt!



That sounds expensive for a recut - is it because it's going to a superideal?

There are two HOF dealers in town... I will go and look there. And, yes, the $500/ct was for super ideal, perfect H&A...

 

[sledge]

I'm interested to hear about your HOF experience.

I had the opposite experience. Took my wife's BGD stone into a local DD. Told them I wanted it steam cleaned and to use their super duper scope, that I wasn't a customer and was willing to pay for the services. They took excellent care of me, and the manager came out to visit and inquire why I wanted to use their scope. This was shortly after I got the stone and I explained it was to verify the AGS inscription and to map out the clarity plot.

As you know, DD is very pro-GIA so super ideal and AGS caught his attention and we were talking shop for quite awhile.

He didn't charge me that day, nor any other day when we go in for the occasional clean & inspection. He doesn't even try to sell me anything, lol.

 

[MissGotRocks]

MGR, I don’t want to hijack, but it’s literally the same ring, just a different center stone. My current is a 2.1 I VS2.

@SimoneDi - Oh, it looks so beautiful on your hand! If memory serves me correctly, you upgraded in color? I love the six prong center as well! It really looks good paired with your band and as always, I love your lovely hands!!

 

[MissGotRocks]

Imho
If you had not known the size difference in advance it would be a different story.

The only way that could have happened though is if the cert on the trade in listed the exact same diameter - lol! Actually, though, I knew exactly where the center stone was in relation to the side stones and where it overlapped the wedding band. It was admittedly a small difference in size but still. . . women can just have eagle eyes when it comes to their jewels!

 

[AV_]

It would be a shame to destroy this cut...

If the optical symmetry can be perfected with indifferent size change, maybe give it a shave, but the proportions are already right.

There should be a fair trade-in somewhere, but who knows. A synthetic diamond could be another three carat of a slightly different flavour; they seem too expensive still, if not for long & that material is meant to be wasted ,(

 

[SimoneDi]

@SimoneDi - Oh, it looks so beautiful on your hand! If memory serves me correctly, you upgraded in color? I love the six prong center as well! It really looks good paired with your band and as always, I love your lovely hands!!

Thank you MGR, always so kind! I have upgraded more times than I care to admit. While this wasn’t exactly an “upgrade” per se, my earlier stone was also an I color, even though this one seems bit brighter to me. The clarity also changed from SI2 to VS2.

 

[nala]

I was told that it would likely go from 3.33 ct and 9.8 mm to 3.10 ct and 9.5 mm (9.4 at the minimum). I just don't know if the difference in performance would justify the loss of size for me. Dang, these first world problems! LOL

So if you were out shopping right now, would you choose an ideal cut 3.10 over a 3.33 like yours? For the additional amount you are spending 1700 plus misc costs?
I would choose the 3.10 ideal cut Bc I’ve drunk the ps kool aid and I would obsess over it if I didn’t do it.
I realize that you are going to compare with HOF but just be aware that the lighting in those stores will not yield you reliable results.

 

[lissyflo]

Again, the numbers above are made-up. I don't know what you paid, but you can run the math and figure out where the equilibrium is for making such a decision.

The problem with maths is that it can’t factor in the ‘value’ of perceived beauty or the ‘profit’ from having what the heart wants.

@msop04 You’ve always seemed delighted with your stone before so I’d be tempted to wait a while and see if the itch goes away (says the person who caved on dry January on the 30th, so my advice is definitely of the do-as-I-say not do-as-I-do variety!). And the earlier suggestion to compare side by side with a super ideal of the size you might drop to in a recut is great - then you know you’re not second guessing yourself.

 

[mission1]

I honestly think that people that are convinced they can see difference are being tricked by their minds. It's about two human hairs difference....

I had two diamonds 0.2mm width difference and could just see the difference side by side - but I knew which was which. If it was something else, such as two strips of paper with 0.1mm difference, I doubt that anyone could consistently spot which was which.

As with many things perception-related though, it's actually no less valid at all.... it's just info created by your brain, whether or not your eyes are technically able to recognise the difference.

 

[MissGotRocks]

I thought of this, but if I sell it, I'll likely only get 60% of what I paid... then I'd have to spend A LOT more to buy a new one. I agree that a recut may not be worth the loss in size. If I had it to do over again, I would've gone with CBI or WF... but as they say, hindsight is 20/20. That said, I feel very fortunate to have found a 3.33 ct that faces up like a 3.6-3.7 ct... is a "high" I... and eye clean at SI2, which obviously saved me a good bit of money. I don't want to go bigger, but I certainly don't want to go more than about 0.15-0.20 mm smaller. Weird how our minds work. LOL

At least you have a diamond that you love and enjoy wearing. I so get the dilemma of what to do and what is the best way to go about it. When your current trade up policy is cost prohibitive it makes it so much harder. After years of struggling with what to do, I finally knew that it was gonna cost me money to make the move and just accepted it. However, that was long after the kids were through college, house paid for, etc., etc. Enjoy your lovely ring for now even though the wheels will probably never stop turning - ha! It is amazing how sometimes things have a way of working themselves out - and when you least expect it!

 

[sledge]

The problem with maths is that it can’t factor in the ‘value’ of perceived beauty or the ‘profit’ from having what the heart wants.

Math is the reality of the costs required to get what our hearts want. People constantly say you can't put a price on that. Well I disagree.

For instance, many here know I'm a car guy. Mostly American muscle but I have a sweet spot for Porsche as well.

Several months back, I was driving home and passed an Audi that had my heart fluttering. She was sexy as can be. I was talking to wife at the time and told her I found my next car purchase. She giggled because she knows I currently have one vehicle that just sits as my primary driver is an SUV through my company.

I came home and immediately looked it up. It would take about $160k to scratch that itch. Math made all the difference in the world.

 

[mission1]

@sledge - I test drove an R8 a few years ago, but definitely spent longer researching and deliberating a 0.9 ct diamond purchase for an e-ring! (incidentally: I didn't gel with it and went for an AM Vantage instead).

 

[lissyflo]

Not to derail the thread, but I’m not sure I agree with the costs/maths logic, sledge. Most people know you can only buy what you can afford (and lusting after champagne on a beer budget is the path to unhappiness), but within the bounds of what IS in your budget there will be (hopefully!) many options that may make your heart sing in different ways, and some of that decision analysis isn’t quantifiable in numbers. That’s all I was trying to say. An interesting topic for hangout, although I’m sure it’s been covered many times before!

 

[missy]

@sledge I realize that you don’t wear a diamond (I think) that you stare into all the time, all the day, so I don’t really expect for you to get it. You can analyse it all day long and come with a 1000 hypothetical calculations, but what @Gussie said is 100% true for many of us. I changed my diamond about a year ago and the new one is less than 0.1mm smaller, I see the difference sometimes. I am very happy, but the difference is there.

Yes I agree with this. I too see small differences less than 0.1mm. When I was looking to upgrade there was a beautiful stone I was considering but it was just under 0.1mm smaller than Bea and I just couldn’t do it. I saw and didn’t like the size decrease. I, too, am a size ho @msop04 and late to this thread. But my gut says don’t recut. Because of the size decrease. That’s a given. And it is uncertain how it will turn out. Reading @Karl_K ’s professional opinion I’d say no don’t do it. Perhaps down the road you can find an upgrade and trade in your ring? One that meets your ideal cut criteria and size requirements as well.

 

[msop04]

At least you have a diamond that you love and enjoy wearing. I so get the dilemma of what to do and what is the best way to go about it. When your current trade up policy is cost prohibitive it makes it so much harder. After years of struggling with what to do, I finally knew that it was gonna cost me money to make the move and just accepted it. However, that was long after the kids were through college, house paid for, etc., etc. Enjoy your lovely ring for now even though the wheels will probably never stop turning - ha! It is amazing how sometimes things have a way of working themselves out - and when you least expect it!

Actually, my current trade up policy is 110% buy back toward a new diamond... the problem is the selection. Let me say that DD has a TON of diamonds -- even tons of great diamonds, but they have the, "GIA XXX is all you need... no reason to look further..." mentality, and get annoyed with me when I ask for specific specs.

I had found three virtual stones last summer that I wanted them to call in (basically same size, but more ideal cut, and cleaner - only adding about $2K to my trade in value). They already frown on calling in stones not in their own inventory, but they will do it on a case by case basis. However, they claimed that there was "no way" they could come within even $7-8K of the online price. I know that is BS bc their prices are actually really competitive.
The issue (I believe) was that they weren't going to make as much as they wanted to with the trade in, so that was their way of telling me no.

I got a really great deal on my current stone after talking them down... and this was when RAP was lower. When I explained to them what I wanted, they actually said in no uncertain terms for me to come back when I was ready to spend about $10K on the upgrade. I noped right on outta that place, bc I knew I was done with them.

The great thing is that I do love my diamond, and I believe it to be beautifully cut, white "enough", and eye clean... so this venture to obtain a more "PS perfect" cut would just be icing on the cake. Who knows, maybe RAP will go down in a few years, and I'll have a better opportunity to upgrade with DD.

 

[msop04]

So if you were out shopping right now, would you choose an ideal cut 3.10 over a 3.33 like yours? For the additional amount you are spending 1700 plus misc costs?
I would choose the 3.10 ideal cut Bc I’ve drunk the ps kool aid and I would obsess over it if I didn’t do it.
I realize that you are going to compare with HOF but just be aware that the lighting in those stores will not yield you reliable results.

Since an ideal 3.10 measures much less than 9.8 mm, then I would not. My diamond is super sparkly and I think I would miss the size, while not really being able to fully appreciate the improved performance -- at least not at the expense of losing size, having to pay for a new setting, regrading, etc... Crazy thing is I'm very happy with my diamond. It would be nice for it to be "PS perfect", but I'm not obsessed about it. LOL

The idea was to be able to get as close to super ideal as possible and have a diamond no less than 9.55-9.6 mm... however, I don't think that will be possible. I've seen HOF diamonds before, but it's been a long time ago. And, yes, the lighting is ridiculous.

 

[msop04]

The problem with maths is that it can’t factor in the ‘value’ of perceived beauty or the ‘profit’ from having what the heart wants.

@msop04 You’ve always seemed delighted with your stone before so I’d be tempted to wait a while and see if the itch goes away (says the person who caved on dry January on the 30th, so my advice is definitely of the do-as-I-say not do-as-I-do variety!). And the earlier suggestion to compare side by side with a super ideal of the size you might drop to in a recut is great - then you know you’re not second guessing yourself.

You're right... it will go away I believe. Maybe not forever, but for the time being. I get on PS and start itching, KWIM?

 

[msop04]

Math is the reality of the costs required to get what our hearts want. People constantly say you can't put a price on that. Well I disagree.

For instance, many here know I'm a car guy. Mostly American muscle but I have a sweet spot for Porsche as well.

Several months back, I was driving home and passed an Audi that had my heart fluttering. She was sexy as can be. I was talking to wife at the time and told her I found my next car purchase. She giggled because she knows I currently have one vehicle that just sits as my primary driver is an SUV through my company.

I came home and immediately looked it up. It would take about $160k to scratch that itch. Math made all the difference in the world.

Funny you mention this, @sledge... We'll be in the market for another car in the next 2-3 years, but I start researching everything waaaaaay before I decide to purchase. I've always wanted the Infiniti QX80, but since my SIL just bought a brand new one with the exact interior and exterior color I expressed I wanted, that may be out... but that's another story for another day.

I. FREAKING. LOVE. AUDIS. I'm thinking that we'll probably get a mid to large size SUV, so the Q5 and Q7 are on my radar. But so is the Cayenne and X5... ::le sigh::

Sorry to get off topic, but, ya know... cars.

 

[msop04]

Yes I agree with this. I too see small differences less than 0.1mm. When I was looking to upgrade there was a beautiful stone I was considering but it was just under 0.1mm smaller than Bea and I just couldn’t do it. I saw and didn’t like the size decrease. I, too, am a size ho @msop04 and late to this thread. But my gut says don’t recut. Because of the size decrease. That’s a given. And it is uncertain how it will turn out. Reading @Karl_K ’s professional opinion I’d say no don’t do it. Perhaps down the road you can find an upgrade and trade in your ring? One that meets your ideal cut criteria and size requirements as well.

I agree, @missy...

SIZE WHORES, UNITE!! LOL

 

[MissGotRocks]

Actually, my current trade up policy is 110% buy back toward a new diamond... the problem is the selection. Let me say that DD has a TON of diamonds -- even tons of great diamonds, but they have the, "GIA XXX is all you need... no reason to look further..." mentality, and get annoyed with me when I ask for specific specs.

I had found three virtual stones last summer that I wanted them to call in (basically same size, but more ideal cut, and cleaner - only adding about $2K to my trade in value). They already frown on calling in stones not in their own inventory, but they will do it on a case by case basis. However, they claimed that there was "no way" they could come within even $7-8K of the online price. I know that is BS bc their prices are actually really competitive.
The issue (I believe) was that they weren't going to make as much as they wanted to with the trade in, so that was their way of telling me no.

I got a really great deal on my current stone after talking them down... and this was when RAP was lower. When I explained to them what I wanted, they actually said in no uncertain terms for me to come back when I was ready to spend about $10K on the upgrade. I noped right on outta that place, bc I knew I was done with them.

The great thing is that I do love my diamond, and I believe it to be beautifully cut, white "enough", and eye clean... so this venture to obtain a more "PS perfect" cut would just be icing on the cake. Who knows, maybe RAP will go down in a few years, and I'll have a better opportunity to upgrade with DD.

Yes, the last company I did business with before WF was the same way - you only had to spend $1 more. However, I think I must have bought their last AGS0 diamond as everything else they had was GIA and the angles were bleh! They just never had anything else that I wanted - regardless of price. Always had the impression that they too were looking for a large trade - not a simple tweak.

And it's not always about whether you have the money or not either - it is more about deciding to commit the money to a luxury item like a diamond. Always makes you second guess the spending somehow.

I really enjoyed my last diamond too so that always helped with the wonder or longing for a super ideal cut stone. I am glad that you are in the same boat so if it happened it would be nice but if it didn't not the end of the world. It really is a nice place to be!

 

[sledge]

IMO, here's the real battle you are facing @msop04.

A typical 3.30 carat super ideal measures around 9.60mm. Yes, I know this is a 3.288 but WF has the most stones > 3 carats and the pickings are slim for 3+ carat super ideals.

Diamond | 3.288 ct I VS1 A CUT ABOVE® Hearts and Arrows Super Ideal Round Cut Loose Diamond AGS Certified | 4135231

This Whiteflash A CUT ABOVE® super ideal cut hearts and arrows 3.288 carat I color VS1 clarity loose diamond is graded by the American Gem Society (AGS) Laboratories. | 4135231

www.whiteflash.com

54.9 table, 61.8 depth, 34.9 crown, 40.8 pavilion, 77 LGF & 49 stars

To jump to a 9.80mm, you need to jump up to around 3.60 carats in a super ideal. Not suggesting this stone as I know color and clarity make it a deal killer because price takes a substantial jump, but it gives you the spread you seek with ideal proportions.

https://www.hpdiamonds.com/en-us/diamonddetail/HPD10913

55.5 table, 62 depth, 34.6 crown, 40.7 pavilion, 77 LGF and 50 stars

Short version -- your current 3.30 stone is sizing up like typical 3.60 super ideal stone. The reasoning is simple. The larger table and shallow depth of your existing stone is pushing the carat weight out so you get maximum spread, whereas the super ideal is pushing more of that weight down in the vertical plane.

I'm not sure where you end up with a re-cut, but I know it'll be less spread and less carat weight. I don't have fancy software to give you a nice graphic, but proportion wise I think the re-cut will yield you a stone very similar to my wife's BGD. It hit AGS000 and has H&A symmetry. Try not to laugh...this thing is like super ideal diamond dust compared to your honker, lol.

 

[msop04]

IMO, here's the real battle you are facing @msop04.

A typical 3.30 carat super ideal measures around 9.60mm. Yes, I know this is a 3.288 but WF has the most stones > 3 carats and the pickings are slim for 3+ carat super ideals.

Diamond | 3.288 ct I VS1 A CUT ABOVE® Hearts and Arrows Super Ideal Round Cut Loose Diamond AGS Certified | 4135231

This Whiteflash A CUT ABOVE® super ideal cut hearts and arrows 3.288 carat I color VS1 clarity loose diamond is graded by the American Gem Society (AGS) Laboratories. | 4135231

www.whiteflash.com

54.9 table, 61.8 depth, 34.9 crown, 40.8 pavilion, 77 LGF & 49 stars

To jump to a 9.80mm, you need to jump up to around 3.60 carats in a super ideal. Not suggesting this stone as I know color and clarity make it a deal killer because price takes a substantial jump, but it gives you the spread you seek with ideal proportions.

https://www.hpdiamonds.com/en-us/diamonddetail/HPD10913

55.5 table, 62 depth, 34.6 crown, 40.7 pavilion, 77 LGF and 50 stars

Short version -- your current 3.30 stone is sizing up like typical 3.60 super ideal stone. The reasoning is simple. The larger table and shallow depth of your existing stone is pushing the carat weight out so you get maximum spread, whereas the super ideal is pushing more of that weight down in the vertical plane.

I'm not sure where you end up with a re-cut, but I know it'll be less spread and less carat weight. I don't have fancy software to give you a nice graphic, but proportion wise I think the re-cut will yield you a stone very similar to my wife's BGD. It hit AGS000 and has H&A symmetry. Try not to laugh...this thing is like super ideal diamond dust compared to your honker, lol.

Yep, you're right... I think the answer is clear. I need to just stick with my diamond and continue loving it!

 

[sledge]

I'm just going to drop this here, and point out no where does it say that they are allowed to be asshats or make your life difficult about a trade. In fact, their policy says the opposite. Your husband needs to go in and tell them to shut the f*ck up and honor their policy.

If they have a problem with that, then maybe they'd like to buy back your diamond for 100% of initial purchase price and let you walk free to buy elsewhere with a company that will honor their word.




In regards to the vehicles I also like the Infiniti QX80's. Not sure if you know, but Nissan and Infiniti share the same platform. The Nissan Armada is the same vehicle as the QX80 with a different trim and finish package. I mention this because years ago I had a Nissan Titan truck. Loved that thing. Lots of power and very spacious. The Armada and QX80 is based on the same frame, etc as the Titan trucks.

Being a Porsche fan I have really tried to like the Cayenne but it's not my cup of tea. I like the performance no doubt. Just the looks don't do it for me.

Of course, who am I kidding...I was almost ready to buy a Caddy after seeing this commercial a few years back and I don't even like them, lol.

Funny enough, when I bought my Challenger I had saw this a few days before and this appealed to the little kid inside me. A few days later I had my own, lol. Of course, black on black in a 6-speed. Oh yeah.....

 

[msop04]

I'm just going to drop this here, and point out no where does it say that they are allowed to be asshats or make your life difficult about a trade. In fact, their policy says the opposite. Your husband needs to go in and tell them to shut the f*ck up and honor their policy.

If they have a problem with that, then maybe they'd like to buy back your diamond for 100% of initial purchase price and let you walk free to buy elsewhere with a company that will honor their word.




In regards to the vehicles I also like the Infiniti QX80's. Not sure if you know, but Nissan and Infiniti share the same platform. The Nissan Armada is the same vehicle as the QX80 with a different trim and finish package. I mention this because years ago I had a Nissan Titan truck. Loved that thing. Lots of power and very spacious. The Armada and QX80 is based on the same frame, etc as the Titan trucks.

Being a Porsche fan I have really tried to like the Cayenne but it's not my cup of tea. I like the performance no doubt. Just the looks don't do it for me.

Of course, who am I kidding...I was almost ready to buy a Caddy after seeing this commercial a few years back and I don't even like them, lol.

Funny enough, when I bought my Challenger I had saw this a few days before and this appealed to the little kid inside me. A few days later I had my own, lol. Of course, black on black in a 6-speed. Oh yeah.....

They weren't being asses... but they don't have to come down on sticker price, much less call in a non-DD stone. I was essentially asking to trade for a stone of the same size, with better cut and clarity... for only a few K more, so they wouldn't be making a lot of money. . Therefore, not as willing to negotiate a lower price as they had with the last stone.

FTW, I'm much scarier than my husband.

 

[msop04]

@sledge

Yes, I'm aware of the Nissan/Infinity connection. I drove Infinitis for years, and I love them. I can't stand the Armada. I'm an interior person more so than most, I believe, and I don't care for the one inside the Armada. Also, the 2020 QX80 has a longer hood than the Armada, so that adds to the better appearance, IMO.

I love the look of the Cayenne, but I'm not so sure about the reliability. Also, the cost to maintain would be much higher than Japanese cars.

But, this is two years out... who knows what'll come out by then??

ETA: ...and I'd NEVER get an Armada after my SIL went and bought my dream car... b*tch. Okaaaaaayyyyy, moving on now...

 

[sledge]

Cool. Sorry I got so unnerved earlier about DD. Didn't realize that was the situation. I really dislike it and take it personal when I think someone is taking advantage of another person. One of my faults -- I like to protect others, even when I don't know all the facts or should leave well enough alone, lol.

I get what you're saying with the different brands having different trim levels and exterior packages, despite sharing a common platform. Some just work better than others. I also prefer the QX80 to the Armada.

I'm sorry about your sister, that was a crap move for sure. I have some friends that I am very close with, so much their kids call me uncle. I've stopped discussing future purchases, etc around them as they used to do similar things. Now I find it funny. A few years back I bought some new leather furniture. They couldn't afford the same stuff, but within 6 months had some cheaper version of something similar. I love them but it's so damn annoying, lol. Although I do get to razz them about it from time to time, so there is that silver lining.

Not that you asked, but I am curious what Ford is going to do with the release of the Bronco. The 66-72 models I love and could see myself rebuilding for offroad purposes. Of course I'm also a Jeep guy and also like the older International Scouts. So if Ford introduces a modern retro style Bronco I may be a buyer. Traditionally I don't like Ford products. The only ones I'd own is the 67 Shelby GT500 and one of the retro Broncos already mentioned. Who knows, maybe they will get it right this time.

The Legendary Ford Bronco - SUV Returning by Popular Demand | Ford.com

A new Ford Bronco will be introduced in 2020 as part of Ford's lineup. This rugged mid-sized SUV will bring back the excitement drivers remember.

www.ford.com

 

[Shayne808]

Random question here PLEASE help.
Has anyone used benzdiamonds.com
I was looking at a 2 carat diamond for ~10k-13k. They say everything is naturally made and Certified.
Why is it so cheap. I feel like I am missing something.

Thank you for the help

 

[msop04]

Cool. Sorry I got so unnerved earlier about DD. Didn't realize that was the situation. I really dislike it and take it personal when I think someone is taking advantage of another person. One of my faults -- I like to protect others, even when I don't know all the facts or should leave well enough alone, lol.

Nah, you're good... I'm that way as well.



I get what you're saying with the different brands having different trim levels and exterior packages, despite sharing a common platform. Some just work better than others. I also prefer the QX80 to the Armada.

I'm sorry about your sister, that was a crap move for sure. I have some friends that I am very close with, so much their kids call me uncle. I've stopped discussing future purchases, etc around them as they used to do similar things. Now I find it funny. A few years back I bought some new leather furniture. They couldn't afford the same stuff, but within 6 months had some cheaper version of something similar. I love them but it's so damn annoying, lol. Although I do get to razz them about it from time to time, so there is that silver lining.


Yeah... it was a real d*ck move on their part. If they'd had no idea and just decided they liked it, then I wouldn't have minded as much. It's the fact that I've been spelling out what I wanted for YEARS. Last March, they said they were going to start shopping in the Fall, and I (stupidly) mentioned that I was still obsessed with the QX80... they said they'd looked at them, but preferred the Armada due to some kind of techy thing it had and the Infiniti didn't... or something. The worst part is they bought it brand new, and there's no way we could afford to do that. I mean... was it necessary to get the same freaking color and everything??!!! This is why I feel like I can't get the car I've wanted since like 2010... UGH!!! Oh well, her diamond sucks, so there's that.



Not that you asked, but I am curious what Ford is going to do with the release of the Bronco. The 66-72 models I love and could see myself rebuilding for offroad purposes. Of course I'm also a Jeep guy and also like the older International Scouts. So if Ford introduces a modern retro style Bronco I may be a buyer. Traditionally I don't like Ford products. The only ones I'd own is the 67 Shelby GT500 and one of the retro Broncos already mentioned. Who knows, maybe they will get it right this time.

The Legendary Ford Bronco - SUV Returning by Popular Demand | Ford.com

A new Ford Bronco will be introduced in 2020 as part of Ford's lineup. This rugged mid-sized SUV will bring back the excitement drivers remember.

www.ford.com

I couldn't tell you anything about American cars... LOL